In hindsight should we every play a Nicholls type game again? (POLL)

[GrayEagle]

I thoroughly enjoyed the game and I'm glad that I was there. I don't take away the fact that we are some superpower and I'm sure that our players didn't think so either. At the very least we found what players are capable of. I don't mind an occasional FCS team when it's necessary but maybe we should stick to Texas FCS teams such as Sam Houston, SFA, Lamar or Prairie View.

If we had played Idaho and only beaten them half as bad I still wouldn't know where we stand. I thought Nicholls was the perfect storm.

[Mean Green 93-98]

I answered "Yes," but my reasoning is far from "a win is a win and why should we play a team that could possibly beat us at home." I would much prefer to bring in someone like Texas A&M or Texas Tech to Apogee, even though they'd have pretty good odds to beat us at home. And for interest's sake, I would prefer that we not play an FCS team every year. But the question asked, "Ever," and I think it would be silly to rule out altogether. Playing an FCS team, especially as a season opener, is a good way to work the kinks out before taking on tougher opposition. And it worked out perfectly for us this year--bringing in a new QB who had not been taking snaps with the ones all spring, fall camp, or the first three weeks of the season. I would have hated to throw Dajon to the wolves with Indiana as his first game.

Edited October 2, 2014 by Mean Green 93-98

[GrandGreen]

I don't like games against lower divisions, however the students in particular don't seem to care who the opponent is if NT wins. Nicholls was as bad as any team I have ever seen even at the FC level. However, it is not always easy to know what a team will be and the further out the game is scheduled the harder it is.

The truth is that all fans that demand 6 home games a year are in essence promoting a buy fc division team as long as NT plays an away guarantee game.

[UNT90]

Not real good poll questions, Harry.

I'm ok with a FCS every now and then ( a weak one that we are sure to beat) AS LONG AS it is accompanied with a home game with a legit P5 every now and then.

That isn't happening.

[greenit]

I couldn't be happier with the outcome of the Nicholls game. Until we eliminate the road paycheck game, we are probably not at the point of keeping a consistent P5 H/H if we want to consistently be a bowl team. Just like the P5's, we need to schedule for bowl eligibility each year. As we prove that we are better, we can schedule tougher.

[greenminer]

Every game against an FCS team is an opportunity for a player to emerge, statistically speaking. I, for one, am willing to mentally prepare myself for the 3,000+ UNT90 posts downplaying their achievement.

[UNT90]

Every game against an FCS team is an opportunity for a player to emerge, statistically speaking. I, for one, am willing to mentally prepare myself for the 3,000+ UNT90 posts downplaying their achievement.

Quit it.

2,200. Tops.

[DeepGreen]

No problem scheduling one home game against an FCS opponent.......as long as it is the opening game of the season. Would prefer lower rung FBS(Idaho).

[FirefightnRick]

Are you still limited in how many times(seasons) you can claim an FCS win towards bowl eligibility?

Rick

[Mean Green 93-98]

Are you still limited in how many times(seasons) you can claim an FCS win towards bowl eligibility?

Rick

Yes--one per season.

[FirefightnRick]

Yes--one per season.

Seems it was something like once every two or three seasons?

Rick

[FirefightnRick]

http://m.espn.go.com/ncf/story?storyId=8228544&src=desktop&rand=ref~%7B%22ref%22%3A%22http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bing.com%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dhow%2Bmany%2Btimes%2Bcan%2Ba%2Bwin%2Bagainst%2Bfcs%2Bteams%2Bbe%2Bused%2Bfor%2Bbowl%2Beligibility%253F%26a%3Dresults%26MID%3D2500%22%7D

The NCAA's Board of Directors on Thursday approved a new selection process for bowl games that includes a possibility for teams that finish 5-7 to be selected to bowls.

Under the new measure, if there are not enough bowl-eligible teams, or if a bowl cannot be filled by its conference affiliations, the open spots would be filled through a six-tier tiebreaking process.

The 5-7 teams, if they have a top-five score on the Academic Progress Rate, can enter at the bottom of the process.

Ordinarily, teams need to finish with a minimum .500 winning percentage with at least six wins -- five against other Football Bowl Subdivision teams -- to be bowl eligible. A sixth win against a Football Championship Subdivision team only counts if the FCS school meets scholarship requirements.

Now, first consideration will go to 6-6 teams with a win against any FCS teams, regardless of scholarships, then 6-6 teams with two wins against FCS schools.

A team that finishes 6-7 and loses in a conference championship would be next, followed by 6-7 teams that normally play a 13-team schedule, such as Hawaii and its home opponents.

Then bowls could then invite FCS teams making the move to FBS, if they have at least a 6-6 record.

Finally, a team with a top-five APR that finishes 5-7 could be selected.

Doesn't answer my question but that scenario that allows two wins against eligible FCS teams is kind of interesting.

Rick

[golfingomez]

With a name like foutsrouts, you "kind of enjoyed that game?"

Fake Jerry asks: Did you like those 11 touchdowns? "Did you enjoy those? I hope you did. I hope you did very much."

I have been on the other side of that score too many times not to enjoy it.

GMG

and he's smiling when he says this... but he's not

[Got5onIt]

No No No

[Mean Green 93-98]

Seems it was something like once every two or three seasons?

Rick

I think that was true at one time. . . . But that was a while back.

[Cerebus]

You can only COUNT an FCS win as the sixth win once every two years. However, if you have six or more FBS then a win against a FCS team isn't held against you.

Example:

Y1: Win 7 games, one of them an FCS. Bowl eligible.

Y2: Win 6 games, one of them FCS, first time this is counted. Bowl eligible.

Y3: WIn 6 games, one of them FCS, can't count FCS win this year. Not bowl eligible.

[MeanGreenTexan]

Gotta remember how much it costs our fund-challenged AD to bring in either of these teams.

Cost to bring in a FCS team is going to be SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper than any FBS team.

Would I love to see us pay Purdue to come down here and play? ABSOLUTELY! Can we afford to do that? Maybe, but I bet it would be much more than what we would pay SFA. Both schools would probably bring the same turnout as it is highly likely that students have old HS friends who went to SFA.

[forevereagle]

Yes, it's different. Unless something has changed recently, FCS schools get about 64 schollies. FBS gets 85. Big difference in talent level and even the amount of talent the schools can recruit. Big difference.

Sure, number of scholarships is different, but both are bad. The average fan doesn't know how many scholarships they have, they just know how awful the team is or how well we played.

Well if that's true, then we made a mistake leaving the SBC.

Not sure where I advocated leaving CUSA, just saying that getting a sure win out of conference is a good thing for us.

Edited October 3, 2014 by forevereagle

[Mean Green 93-98]

You can only COUNT an FCS win as the sixth win once every two years. However, if you have six or more FBS then a win against a FCS team isn't held against you.

Example:

Y1: Win 7 games, one of them an FCS. Bowl eligible.

Y2: Win 6 games, one of them FCS, first time this is counted. Bowl eligible.

Y3: WIn 6 games, one of them FCS, can't count FCS win this year. Not bowl eligible.

That was the rule until about a decade or so ago, but not anymore.

See p. 316 of the NCAA Manual:

Each year, a Football Bowl Subdivision institution may count one victory against a Football Championship Subdivision opponent toward meeting the definition of a “deserving team,” provided the opponent has averaged 90 percent of the permissible maximum number of grants-in-aid per year in football during a rolling two-year period.

[untjim1995]

Sure, number of scholarships is different, but both are bad. The average fan doesn't know how many scholarships they have, they just know how awful the team is or how well we played.

Not sure where I advocated leaving CUSA, just saying that getting a sure win out of conference is a good thing for us.

I know you didn't advocate leaving CUSA--you just said that getting an easy win is always good. That is why I said that if this is really true, then we made a huge mistake leaving the watered-down SBC for CUSA. But, of course, we both know that wins over bad teams and teams that no one cares about doesn't increase any support for this program. To me, that is what is needed most at this place right now--you get increased support, you should get more revenue. You get more revenue, you have the ability to get rid of a bodybag game every once in a while, like Marshall has done this year.

And, yes, the average fan, does know the difference between a FCS school and a FBS school. What they don't know the difference between is the G5 schools that are in the SBC, CUSA, and AAC, since they have all changed conferences so often in the last decade.

[The Fake Lonnie Finch]

Yes. One FCS or TBC a year, preferably the opening game of the season.

[The Fake Lonnie Finch]

I know you didn't advocate leaving CUSA--you just said that getting an easy win is always good. That is why I said that if this is really true, then we made a huge mistake leaving the watered-down SBC for CUSA. But, of course, we both know that wins over bad teams and teams that no one cares about doesn't increase any support for this program. To me, that is what is needed most at this place right now--you get increased support, you should get more revenue. You get more revenue, you have the ability to get rid of a bodybag game every once in a while, like Marshall has done this year.

And, yes, the average fan, does know the difference between a FCS school and a FBS school. What they don't know the difference between is the G5 schools that are in the SBC, CUSA, and AAC, since they have all changed conferences so often in the last decade.

We didn't really leave the Sun Belt; we inherited it with the help of the C-USA commissioner. Then, to top it off, he picked up some East Coast versions of Southland Conference schools.

[The Fake Lonnie Finch]

Also, we are not like Marshall. They actually won some national titles as I-AAs. It was a good program with decent support already in place when it moved up.

[pastorgrant]

We didn't really leave the Sun Belt; we inherited it with the help of the C-USA commissioner. Then, to top it off, he picked up some East Coast versions of Southland Conference schools.

I really like the new CUSA. The football is much better than the Belt and we have loads of regional conference mates.

[NM Green]

Of course. I would like to see us play a Tarleton State or Abilene Christian. We are not competing for a New Years Day bowl slot at this point so a win is a win and did you see how much pub we got off of our Nicholls State beat down! We were all over ESPN due to the phenomenal punt return and our score was noticed by a LOT of people. I say ACU because I remember they would bring a solid contingent of purple to Denton when I started following the Mean Green back in the 80's.

GMG