Oklahoma St. Home & Home

[NT91]

Or any MAC team.

[James329]

Let's be realistic, but any P5 will do. Winnable would be nice, but I'll anything.

[Jason Howeth]

I've lobbied for a Kentucky series. They're a beatable SEC team with virtually no future schedules set beyond 2015: http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/sec/kentucky-wildcats.php

Other schools with many OOC games to fill past 2015:

Wake Forest: http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/acc/wake-forest-demon-deacons.php

Mississippi State: http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/sec/mississippi-state-bulldogs.php

Memphis: http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/aac/memphis-tigers.php

Purdue: http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/big-ten/purdue-boilermakers.php

BYU: http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/indep/byu-cougars.php

Navy: http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/indep/navy-midshipmen.php

Air Force: http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/mtn-west/air-force-falcons.php

Colorado State: http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/mtn-west/colorado-state-rams.php

New Mexico: http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/mtn-west/new-mexico-lobos.php

Wyoming: http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/mtn-west/wyoming-cowboys.php

Fresno State: http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/mtn-west/fresno-state-bulldogs.php

San Diego State: http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/mtn-west/san-diego-state-aztecs.php

San Jose State: http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/mtn-west/san-jose-state-spartans.php

Colorado: http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/pac-10/colorado-buffaloes.php

Utah: http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/pac-10/utah-utes.php

Syracuse: http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/acc/syracuse-orange.php

Virginia: http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/acc/virginia-cavaliers.php

Pitt: http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/acc/pittsburgh-panthers.php

South Florida: http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/aac/usf-bulls.php

Central Florida: http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/aac/ucf-knights.php

Northwestern: http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/big-ten/northwestern-wildcats.php

I am against playing Sun Belt schools. I just am.

I'd love to out a beat down on a team like Virginia or Wake Forest. Teams that have had success in the past, beaten good teams at times, and even been ranked. That's who I look for. Also looking at UCF/USF on that list.

[Snowy]

Not sure why everyone wants to see a major major P5 team come to Apogee and fill up half our stadium with their fans...

Aim for a smaller, more distant P5 program... Kentucky, Illinois, Northwestern, Colorado, Virginia, etc... Not sure how many of these schools are a legit possibility due to their own schedule, but there's no doubt in my mind that if you schedule OK State, their fans will certainly buy their allotment and then the rest of Apogee. We don't have the season ticket holders or the loyal fa base that wouldn't give up their ticket to an OK State fan willing to pay a premium.

[Ben Gooding]

Nah, North Texas fans would show and show in force. 27, 28, 29k. A team like OSU would get their allotment and maybe 1k more at most. Green would be the primary color in Apogee for a game of that magnitude.

[NT03]

Not sure why everyone wants to see a major major P5 team come to Apogee and fill up half our stadium with their fans...

Aim for a smaller, more distant P5 program... Kentucky, Illinois, Northwestern, Colorado, Virginia, etc... Not sure how many of these schools are a legit possibility due to their own schedule, but there's no doubt in my mind that if you schedule OK State, their fans will certainly buy their allotment and then the rest of Apogee. We don't have the season ticket holders or the loyal fa base that wouldn't give up their ticket to an OK State fan willing to pay a premium.

Winner

[risinggreen]

The ultimate goal is to win the national championship, and if we don't schedule these "body bag" games years down the road, we have ZERO chance of achieving that goal. Our conference schedule, along with a weak OOC strength of schedule, will just not allow that ultimate goal to enter into the realm of possibilities. Please forgive me for shooting for the stars, but Boise did, and they came damn close.

[UNT90]

The ultimate goal is to win the national championship, and if we don't schedule these "body bag" games years down the road, we have ZERO chance of achieving that goal. Our conference schedule, along with a weak OOC strength of schedule, will just not allow that ultimate goal to enter into the realm of possibilities. Please forgive me for shooting for the stars, but Boise did, and they came damn close.

TCU did, also, and came much closer.

And, more importantly, got an invite to the money club for their effort.

Hard to beat these teams on the road, which is why a home game with them every now and then is important. We haven't had one since moving into Apogee.

[untjim1995]

I used to advocate calling teams like Okie Lite, Colorado, Mizzou, and Nebraska to see about getting a series going with them, especially since the last three don't play regularly in Texas like they used to. But then Nebraska--and the rest of the Big Ten--made scheduling non-P5 teams away from home a no-no, so they bought out a game against NIU in Chicago, but allowed NIU to stay on their schedule to travel to Lincoln for 4 games in 8 years. That told me a lot about what is happening in college football. The P5s aren't gonna play these games much longer at a G5 school. Even if they are scheduled, they will probably just buy them out on the premise that their conference is just making them do this. The AQ media will hail this move as better for strength of schedule for the P5s. Then, they will pass on playing G5s all together. This is the short-term way of paving the path for them to pull away from the G5 altogether.

I will say this about RV and scheduling. I still think he could've gotten much better teams here to Denton in the early years of Apogee than we have gotten for OOC. UH, Indiana, and SMU are solid opponents to bring here. Army will be, too. Ball State was a good team, but they didn't resonate at all with the fans here in DFW, which is too bad, since they had a nice season. But the others have been utter dog crap--Texas Southern, South Alabama (yes they were still provisional even thoguh they were coming into the SBC), Idaho, and Nicholls State. When the P5 officially stops these G5 road games and then pulls away, RV will have the perfect excuse to say that we couldn't get anyone to come here because that was already in play before it was "officially" announced. And we will have several examples, as mentioned before on this site, to show that argument is false. But, the real problem for RV that is looming like a tornado is when those P5s won't play G5s at all, his main revenue sources to fund the AD are gonna be dry as a bone. How that gets handled after that may be when we see that dreaded athletics fee get increased out of necessity.

Edited September 29, 2014 by untjim1995

[Mean Green 93-98]

But, the real problem for RV that is looming like a tornado is when those P5s won't play G5s at all

That's not going to happen anytime soon. If the P5 were to quit playing G5s (or FCS/1AA) altogether, half the P5 teams would have losing seasons. Losing seasons hurt attendance and TV value, which in turn hurt conferences. The P5 is not going to shoot themselves in the foot.

Otherwise, pretty solid post (although I don't have a problem with bringing an easy warmup opponent to Apogee in a 6-home game season).

[untjim1995]

That's not going to happen anytime soon. If the P5 were to quit playing G5s (or FCS/1AA) altogether, half the P5 teams would have losing seasons. Losing seasons hurt attendance and TV value, which in turn hurt conferences. The P5 is not going to shoot themselves in the foot.

Otherwise, pretty solid post (although I don't have a problem with bringing an easy warmup opponent to Apogee in a 6-home game season).

Take a school like Texas Tech. They go 7-5 most years because they feast on 3 cupcakes in OOC most seasons. This year, they scheduled fellow P5 Arkansas and quickly got pounded. If they cannot go back to scheduling cupcakes at home, but have to schedule series like this going forward, they are gonna be a losing team, which no doubt will hurt their attendance some. But they still will get huge games at home against teams that people want to watch and, even more importantly, they will continue to cash huge TV checks just for being in the Big XII as a P5 conference, somewhere in the neighborhoof of $20+million a year. Just like Baylor did and TCU appears to be headed, those schools are understanding that the most important part of playing college football these days is being in a P5 conference, period. For years, there was no bigger tick on the hound than Baylor was in the Big XII. Yet they got more bowl money and tv money for going 2-10 every year with pitiful attendance than 12-0 TCU would get in the MWC, even when they finished in the top 5 or top 10 and had better attendance than Baylor got while playing teams that weren't nearly as attractive. What I'm getting at is that I just don't think winning means as much at some of those lower or middle P5 programs as people want to believe it does. Just don't get left behind is the mantra at Washington State, Iowa State, Baylor, TCU, Wake Forest, Vanderbilt, or Northwestern, just to name a few. I don't think a mandate to avoid FCS or G5 schools in the future is gonna change this, just because it is easier to suck blood off the hound than it is to go build something on your own that is self-sustaining. Now, at places that are the high-end, tradition filled programs, there is no doubt about what you are saying, as they will not accept losing seasons. But they also usually don't stay losers for very long...

[UNT90]

just because it is easier to suck blood off the hound than it is to go build something on your own that is self-sustaining.

This statement can also be applied to ADs that would rather keep whoring out their program than actually working to build home attendance.

Just sayin...

[Coffee and TV]

Nah, North Texas fans would show and show in force. 27, 28, 29k. A team like OSU would get their allotment and maybe 1k more at most. Green would be the primary color in Apogee for a game of that magnitude.

Are you high?

[Cerebus]

Are you high?

This isn't marijuana high... it's paint thinner high.

[North Texas Shep]

Kram1 loves Oklahoma Lite.

[The Fake Lonnie Finch]

He's high because Oklahoma State doesn't need to come here when they've got a conference mate in TCU and Big 12 bowl ties to JerryWorld's Cotton Bowl to nail down Metroplex interest. They don't need to throw us a bone that would mean one less OOC home game at Boone Pickens; and, so, they won't.

[UNT90]

If only we were in a recruiting hot spot. Like, say, Monroe, La...

[The Fake Lonnie Finch]

That's not going to happen anytime soon. If the P5 were to quit playing G5s (or FCS/1AA) altogether, half the P5 teams would have losing seasons. Losing seasons hurt attendance and TV value, which in turn hurt conferences. The P5 is not going to shoot themselves in the foot.

Otherwise, pretty solid post (although I don't have a problem with bringing an easy warmup opponent to Apogee in a 6-home game season).

Not really. It just means the OUs and Texas' of the world will have Kentuckys and Indianas and Dukes and Wake Forests and Purdues and Washington States on their schedule. There are enough bottom-feeder Criminal 5s to allow the traditional powers to stay aloft.

Coming soon to stadiums in Alabama: Kansas and Iowa State at Alabama and Auburn instead of Florida A&M and Georgia Southern.

This puzzle isn't one with so many pieces that it gets confusing - or hazardous - to the Criminal 5s, believe me.

Edited September 29, 2014 by The Fake Lonnie Finch

[UNT90]

Not really. It just means the OUs and Texas' of the world will have Kentuckys and Indianas and Dukes and Wake Forests and Purdues and Washington States on their schedule. There are enough bottom-feeder Criminal 5s to allow the traditional powers to stay aloft.

Coming soon to stadiums in Alabama: Kansas and Iowa State at Alabama and Auburn instead of Florida A&M and Georgia Southern.

This puzzle isn't one with so many pieces that it gets confusing - or hazardous - to the Criminal 5s, believe me.

It gets VERY hazardous to the Iowa Sts. And the Texas Techs of the world. Are they simply going to accept being perennial bottom feeders as opposed to 7-5 or 8-4 bowl teams? When they turn into bottom feeders, might they ask themselves how long until they are treated like the G5s and purged from the club?

Remember, this is all about money and getting an ever bigger piece of the pie.

[Ben Gooding]

No, I'm not high. I think North Texas fans would have a good showing against a quality regional opponent. Students would crush student attendance record, and casuals would show up. 25-27k Mean Green fans easily.

P5 will never stop playing G5's. P5 carnage would take place and administrations wouldn't accept it. There would be 2-3 loss national champions often and that alone would drop tv ratings long term. Someone said that attendance/winning isn't everything to these schools? It's everything to them. Yeah, they'll get a 20mil tv check every year, but even the P5's budget for ticket sales, apparel sales, and concession sales. All 3 of those would plummet at most P5's, even at the blue bloods. A lot of these schools can't afford to have 2-3-4-5-6 losses every single year. Drop G5's and that's what will happen. They might turn away from playing FCS, but not G5.

[Mean Green 93-98]

Not really. It just means the OUs and Texas' of the world will have Kentuckys and Indianas and Dukes and Wake Forests and Purdues and Washington States on their schedule. There are enough bottom-feeder Criminal 5s to allow the traditional powers to stay aloft.

Coming soon to stadiums in Alabama: Kansas and Iowa State at Alabama and Auburn instead of Florida A&M and Georgia Southern.

This puzzle isn't one with so many pieces that it gets confusing - or hazardous - to the Criminal 5s, believe me.

I wasn't really talking about the OUs and Texas's of the world. I was talking more about the Mississippi States, Kansas States, and Texas Techs. They have enough clout that they will fight tooth and nail for their right to beat up hapless G5 and 1-AA teams.

That said, it will hurt the OUs and Texas's of the world to have their conferences' bottom feeders perceived as more "bottom-feeder" than ever. A winless Iowa State coming into DKR Memorial will generate even less interest than a 2-win Iowa State team.

[UNTFan23]

When was the last time Texas Tech played in Denton? People say we need to get them to Apogee but if they haven't shown interest in playing the Denton in the past, what's going to change their mind?

[untjim1995]

It gets VERY hazardous to the Iowa Sts. And the Texas Techs of the world. Are they simply going to accept being perennial bottom feeders as opposed to 7-5 or 8-4 bowl teams? When they turn into bottom feeders, might they ask themselves how long until they are treated like the G5s and purged from the club?

Remember, this is all about money and getting an ever bigger piece of the pie.

They will gladly do it if it means staying in a P5 league. Tech knows their place--and its not a bad place at all. You get big teams to come to your place every year, you recruit the 3* that aren't getting recrutited heavily by Texas, A&M, OU, etc..which means you can still beat a lot of teams because of Texas HS talent, and of course, you get to keep that ca$h, playa...Tech is UTs lapdog. They are gonna do almost anything they can do make sure that UT doesn't leave them alone to die on the West Texas Prairie. Tech does have some Austin pull in the legislature, too, so that will help UT with the state and they will need someone to vote hand-in-hand with them for conference stuff, which Tech almost always does.

One thing TCU showed us in their halcyon MWC days was that you could win the Rose Bowl and finish #2 in a final poll and it still wouldn't pay you anything close to what a P5 conference cellar-dwellar would get for doing nothing more than rolling over for the bhig dogs in your conference. Its the single biggest thing TCU ever accomplished in the last 50 years of their existence. It wasn't winning going to a BCS bowl game or even winning the Rose Bowl over Wisconsin--it was using it all to miraculously get into the Big XII when the conference had some upheaval and lost Texas A&M. TCU is the biggest winner in all of the realignment stuff, not even close. A small private school who sits in the middle of a saturated tv market somehow got invited to the Big Boys table because the non-Texas schools wanted another Texas stop to replace A&M and wanted it in DFW, not in Houston. UH would have been so much better than TCU (hell, they would've been way better than Baylor back in 1994, but they didn't have the legislative pull Baylor had), but TCU got that spot. And almost every single Frog fan you meet will tell you that they would rather lose in the Big XII than go back to the MWC--that tells you all you need to know.

[The Fake Lonnie Finch]

When was the last time Texas Tech played in Denton? People say we need to get them to Apogee but if they haven't shown interest in playing the Denton in the past, what's going to change their mind?

1952.

In 1998 and 2001, they agreed to play us at Texas Stadium in Irving. And, according to this (http://www.texastech.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/092201aaa.html) only 20,852 bothered to show up. So, wouldn't have even filled up Fouts.

[VideoEagle]

1952.

In 1998 and 2001, they agreed to play us at Texas Stadium in Irving. And, according to this (http://www.texastech.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/092201aaa.html) only 20,852 bothered to show up. So, wouldn't have even filled up Fouts.

But it appears we beat them in 52 in Denton 34-19.