Oklahoma St. Home & Home

[tmjerm]

I've admittedly kept up with the P5/G5 scheduling sense in a shameful manner, so feel free to crush this...but could it not be a realistic thought to schedule a home & home with Okie State? Get them down here to play in the 'plex. I know they play in Funky Town every other year so they'd schedule it on an off yr in that relationship. Give me some other reasons why they wouldn't want that...

It would mean a lot more to folks to get someone of that nature in Apogee than a Wazzu or Wake Forest for example...someone who has a footprint in DFW.

Also, what were the circumstances in getting K State down here? Wasn't that a 2 for 1 deal?

[Coffee and TV]

Probably couldn't pay them enough with what we'd make from the game. Also a top 25ish team with a huge DFW fan base that would fill up half of Apogee. I mean, they played in JerryWorld against the National Title defenders, I doubt they'd "play down" to us at Apogee.

[NT03]

I recall ULL hosting Oklahoma State a few years ago

[UNTFan23]

I'd rather not have a Top 25 contender like Okie State come to Apogee just for us to get creamed. If we're going to schedule a P5 school lets aim lower.

Edited September 26, 2014 by UNTFan23

[tmjerm]

I'd rather not have a Top 25 contender like Okie State come to Apogee just for us to get creamed. If we're going to schedule a P5 school lets aim lower.

so you don't believe in the Mean Green?

It would certainly be a heavy OSU crowd but it would showcase Apogee to a better TV audience. They also played at Robertson a few yrs back in a home and home with the Coogs.

Iowa State is more realistic...but OSU would be a better bang.

[GRN-WHT]

I recall ULL hosting Oklahoma State a few years ago

That was a 2-1. Along with them going to UTSA.

They're more than willing to sign 2-1s.

[Ben Gooding]

No. I don't want to watch us get skull drug at home. Aim at winnable P5's.

[tmjerm]

Can anyone answer my question about the K State deal a few yrs back?

[Cerebus]

Can anyone answer my question about the K State deal a few yrs back?

2 for 1.

@KanSt 2008

@NT 2010

@KanSt 2012

[foutsrouts]

If they'll go for it then I'm all for it. They're not OU, and tend to have their ups and downs, so it's certainly not a given that they would whip us down at home. We're 1-10 against them, and all but a blowout win for them back in '75 were competitive. I was at the heartbreaking last second field goal loss back in '94. Can't believe that's been 20 years.

[The Fake Lonnie Finch]

Oklahoma State: already plays in DFW every other year at TCU; also played in JerryWorld against Florida State; have been in three Dallas-based bowl games over the past five seasons.

Kansas State: before TCU joined Big 12 in 2012, Kansas State coming here made sense from a recruiting standpoint. Now, like every other Big 12, they are in DFW every other year against TCU; and Big 12 is tied to the Cotton Bowl, which they will be in the hunt for pretty much annually.

TCU being in the Big 12 pretty much kills us. I think the only realistic Big 12s you can hope to get into Denton are the two at the bottom of the Big 12 football barrell - Kansas and Iowa State. Kansas gets picked clean of the best recruits from Kansas and Missouri by Oklahoma, Missouri, and Nebraska. Iowa State is behind Iowa and Nebraska when it comes to Iowa preps.

Kansas and Iowa State have dug around in Texas and Florida for preps because they have to do so. I think a series with either of them is the best we can hope for with the Big 12. The upper echelon of the Big 12 is not giving up a home game to come to Denton when they are already in Fort Worth every other year, and inthe race for the Cotton Bowl at JerryWorld every year as well.

Because they play nine conference games, Big 12 schools only have three out of conference games now. Here are the future schedules of Kansas and Iowa State. Iowa State has no openings until 2022. Kansas has openings beginning in 2018:

http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/big-12/kansas-jayhawks.php

http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/big-12/iowa-state-cyclones.php

You have to remember that these contracts are made years in advance. Some even a decade in advance. For example, this week, Texas A&M and Notre Dame announced a home and home series for 2024 and 2025. That's how far along these things are planned.

Edited September 26, 2014 by The Fake Lonnie Finch

[The Fake Lonnie Finch]

We also (and, by we, I mean our conference commissioner and athletic director) need to keep a close eye on what the Criminal 5 conferences are going to do with out of conference games due to the new post season monopoly they've created. It could be that they chuck out of conference games against non-Criminal 5s altogether.

We'll see after this first year's playoff, because there will be BCS-type discussions to the nth degree because of Strength of Schedule and Conference Strength excluding some schools who will believe they deserve to be in the playoff.

[Ben Gooding]

Those discussions will only come to fruition if they are forced to. If there are four 0/1-loss conference champs, which in most years it happens, there is no room for that discussion. They are not going to jump a 2 loss P5 blue blood over a 1 loss P5 blue blood no matter what. Now if there is only two 1 loss teams standing at years end then it will be very interesting to see how it plays out. What COULD be interesting is the split difference between 4/5. If there are two 2-loss teams sitting there at 4/5 then SOS will be the number 1 determining factor of who gets in. But 1-3 will probably be clear cut most years, if not 1-4.

[pastorgrant]

Wouldn't mind a team like that at home in DW's senior year.

[The Fake Lonnie Finch]

I've lobbied for a Kentucky series. They're a beatable SEC team with virtually no future schedules set beyond 2015: http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/sec/kentucky-wildcats.php

Other schools with many OOC games to fill past 2015:

Wake Forest: http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/acc/wake-forest-demon-deacons.php

Mississippi State: http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/sec/mississippi-state-bulldogs.php

Memphis: http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/aac/memphis-tigers.php

Purdue: http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/big-ten/purdue-boilermakers.php

BYU: http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/indep/byu-cougars.php

Navy: http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/indep/navy-midshipmen.php

Air Force: http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/mtn-west/air-force-falcons.php

Colorado State: http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/mtn-west/colorado-state-rams.php

New Mexico: http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/mtn-west/new-mexico-lobos.php

Wyoming: http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/mtn-west/wyoming-cowboys.php

Fresno State: http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/mtn-west/fresno-state-bulldogs.php

San Diego State: http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/mtn-west/san-diego-state-aztecs.php

San Jose State: http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/mtn-west/san-jose-state-spartans.php

Colorado: http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/pac-10/colorado-buffaloes.php

Utah: http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/pac-10/utah-utes.php

Syracuse: http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/acc/syracuse-orange.php

Virginia: http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/acc/virginia-cavaliers.php

Pitt: http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/acc/pittsburgh-panthers.php

South Florida: http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/aac/usf-bulls.php

Central Florida: http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/aac/ucf-knights.php

Northwestern: http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/big-ten/northwestern-wildcats.php

I am against playing Sun Belt schools. I just am.

[UNTFan23]

so you don't believe in the Mean Green?

It would certainly be a heavy OSU crowd but it would showcase Apogee to a better TV audience. They also played at Robertson a few yrs back in a home and home with the Coogs.

Iowa State is more realistic...but OSU would be a better bang.

I know OK State is not Texas but do you really think the outcome of the game played against UT would have been different had it been played at Apogee?

[GreenTexan13]

I may sound very uneducated and dumb saying this about ncaa stuff. But why not some Big Ten teams at apogee? Like Iowa, Illinois, Minnesota, Michigan? Sure it's completely a new geography factor. OSU is much closer and is always in and around DFW. But I'm with some folk and don't want to be creamed at home. Big Ten brings some competition, but much different then playing these so called body bag games. And you get the playing a stiff competition cred.

Edited September 26, 2014 by GreenTexan13

[UNT90]

I know OK State is not Texas but do you really think the outcome of the game played against UT would have been different had it been played at Apogee?

That game specifically? No, because we didnt have a QB.

Yes, generally there is a better chance to win at home against a P5 than on the road.

Edited September 26, 2014 by UNT90

[UNTFan23]

Tgat game specifically? No, because we didnt have a QB.

Yes, generally there is a better chance to win at home against a P5 than on the road.

We would have gotten our tails kicked in if we had played with Dajon and we were at home. To think otherwise is foolish. Maybe the margin might have been smaller but I don't think it would have made much of a difference.

I may sound very uneducated and dumb saying this about ncaa stuff. But why not some Big Ten teams at apogee? Like Iowa, Illinois, Minnesota, Michigan? Sure it's completely a new geography factor. OSU is much closer and is always in and around DFW. But I'm with some folk and don't want to be creamed at home. Big Ten brings some competition, but much different then playing these so called body bag games. And you get the playing a stiff competition cred.

The only way we play Michigan in DFW is if we schedule the game at Jerry World. There is no way we get them at Apogee with a 1-and-1. Maybe a 2-and-1 but I bet they'd still push for the game in Jerry World. We got 2 games (all away) with Iowa but I don't know if they'd ever want to come to Apogee. If they were we would have gotten a contract with a return game. Illinois and Minnesota might be interested but it might be some time after 2020 before we'd see them in our stadium. The B1G also has some sort of conference rule that limits the number of games against G5 schools so scheduling a B1G school might be a big challenge anyway.

[UNT90]

We would have gotten our tails kicked in if we had played with Dajon and we were at home. To think otherwise is foolish. Maybe the margin might have been smaller but I don't think it would have made much of a difference.

Who said DW is the answer at QB?

How about Georgia at home last year? A better chance?

K. St at home the year before? When we played them tough in Manhatten?

No difference, right?

Edited September 26, 2014 by UNT90

[tmjerm]

Texas was really trying to keep us in that game...it would have been a completely different game with DW. They didn't start to pull away until right before half time and even then it wasn't an ass kicking. They scored off turnovers our offense committed and moved the ball offensively only after our defense had been on the field for way too long. I'm not saying we would've left Austin with a W, but it certainly would have been much closer.

That's besides the point though - we're talking about OSU, not Texas...that being said, they're a much more serious program now than they were 5 yrs ago. But a lot can change between now and when it would kick off.

[GreenTexan13]

We would have gotten our tails kicked in if we had played with Dajon and we were at home. To think otherwise is foolish. Maybe the margin might have been smaller but I don't think it would have made much of a difference.

The only way we play Michigan in DFW is if we schedule the game at Jerry World. There is no way we get them at Apogee with a 1-and-1. Maybe a 2-and-1 but I bet they'd still push for the game in Jerry World. We got 2 games (all away) with Iowa but I don't know if they'd ever want to come to Apogee. If they were we would have gotten a contract with a return game. Illinois and Minnesota might be interested but it might be some time after 2020 before we'd see them in our stadium. The B1G also has some sort of conference rule that limits the number of games against G5 schools so scheduling a B1G school might be a big challenge anyway.

Thanks for the answer on that, I hate the wait time on the game scheduling. Maybe we can see Michigan in a bowl game soon.

Go Mean Green!

[KRAM1]

I know OK State is not Texas but do you really think the outcome of the game played against UT would have been different had it been played at Apogee?

You are correct...OSU isn't Texas...it is a much better team at this point.

[NT91]

I like to see Duke or WF come to Denton.

UNM, CO.St. Wyoming, UNLV

Edited September 26, 2014 by NT91

[Coffee and TV]

I like to see Duke or WF come to Denton.

UNM, CO.St. Wyoming, UNLV

We should be able to get any Mountain West team to come to Denton. And for that matter, pretty much any AAC teams. Heck, maybe even a team like Rutgers wants to expand their footprint a little and make DFW a possibility for recruits.