Greer vs DW

[Ben Gooding]

This has turned into a shit show, nothing more or less. Our coaching staff (whoever decides offensive starters) seems more and more incompetent by the day. Our offense has been pitiful and no amount of "years of coaching experience" is going to "get this thing fixed" if a change at QB isn't made now. Wtf.

[MEANGREENCOACH2]

The one play where i knew Greer is not the guy. 3rd quarter "driving" (i use this word rather loosely) to the north endzone on our own 40 maybe. Greer in the pocket for probably 10 seconds (way to long) rolls to his right, somehow outruns a DT. See's Carlos Harris (speculating on if he actually saw him) throws on the run. The flight of the ball had an odd resemblence to the duck falling down, into the tall grass on the nintendo game duck hunt. Catch is made because the defender is sprinting towards the goaline because he knew he was beat. Carlos is tackled for a 20 yard gain.. crowd goes crazy but for some reason that cheering sounded and seemed an awful lot like that damn dog on Duck Hunt that would laugh at you for missing.

Any QB rolling to his dominant hand could have thrown A better ball. It should have been a throw and catch for a 60 yard score. Right then i knew this kid is not ready!

[JesseMartin]

Haha I know exactly which one you're talking about, I said, "What the...Oh, hell, he caught it, okay."

[UNT 90 Grad]

So McNulty is put as the third team QB? Is there even a depth chart or do we pull names out of a hat?

I have a theory here. I sit relatively close to the field on the alumni side. Watching McNulty send plays in, I noticed he had some sort of plastic shell around the lower part of his leg and a black sock pulled up almost to his knee covering most of it up. Is he hurt? Is that why he didn't come in against LA Tech?

We all know Mac keeps injury information close to the vest.

Another injury question, did Greer get hurt when he ran in the touchdown? Go back and watch the replay. I noticed that he got up quickly as to celebrate but quickly clammed up. A few players ran up like they were going to celebrate and quickly settled down and were acting a bit gingerly around him as they exited the field. Shortly afterwards is when Dajon came in.

It's possibly we see Dajon start the next game, but maybe not for the reasons you might think. Lots of speculation here.

Edited September 13, 2014 by UNT 90 Grad

[SSP]

So, I'm not sure what you've said. It seems like you've been generally critical of Williams in the past, and maybe that isn't what you're saying, but could you come right out and say something about this quarterback situation? I just think it would be better to say things specifically for or against one or any of them than just to imply there's something that we're too uninformed to judge. I really think the results are the information here, since I haven't heard anything more specific than "missed some practices", "immature", or whatever, The whole vagueness thing doesn't do much for us who just want someone in there who can play football and doesn't have any felony indictments. I'm kind of wondering if expecting "normal" behavior from a quarterback may be like looking for actors and musicians to be role models for your children. There are many who would drive teachers and coaches crazy who might really have something to contribute.

Something people continue to fail to understand is that the people/ players on here that are weekly blasted are worth more than your curiosities. If the Coaching staff wanted the public and the Fanbase to know why they made all of their decisions- I am more than certain that they would come to this panel of experts first.

That said- don't put words in my mouth or make heavy assumptions based on five sentences.

[UNT90]

I have zero knowledge of anything DW may or may not have done, but if he's still on the team (which he is) and he's the best option (which he is) he should be playing (which he's not).

The choices seem obvious:

1. Play him

2. Supend him

3. Kick him off the team

(Options 2 and 3 certainly don't seem realistic based anything I've seen or heard)

As I stated in another thread, I don't think necessarily think he's going to be a savior, but surely he can't do any worse.

So concisely perfect.

My sentiments exactly. You know what you have with Greer and McNulty (very, very little), why not find out what you have with DW?

[Harry]

I have a theory here. I sit relatively close to the field on the alumni side. Watching McNulty send plays in, I noticed he had some sort of plastic shell around the lower part of his leg and a black sock pulled up almost to his knee covering most of it up. Is he hurt? Is that why he didn't come in against LA Tech?

We all know Mac keeps injury information close to the vest.

Another injury question, did Greer get hurt when he ran in the touchdown? Go back and watch the replay. I noticed that he got up quickly as to celebrate but quickly clammed up. A few players ran up like they were going to celebrate and quickly settled down and were acting a bit gingerly around him as they exited the field. Shortly afterwards is when Dajon came in.

It's possibly we see Dajon start the next game, but maybe not for the reasons you might think. Lots of speculation here.

I to was surprised to see they didn't put McNulty in the game and wonder if you may not be on to something.

[Cerebus]

That said- don't put words in my mouth or make heavy assumptions based on five sentences.

SSP take these words as a kindness.

You decided to register for this board, you decided to inform us you are player family, and you have several times made posts that insinuate insider information. There is nothing wrong with doing that.

However, you have to understand that in a dearth of knowledge situation people will try to glean whatever info they can off of every word. Asking them to not make assumptions based on what you write just isn't feasible.

If you don't want those assumptions made, then you either need to 1) not post, and I would hate that option, or 2) not make the insinuations. Instead, post something generic like "I sure don't know anything about the details but the coaches seem to made their mind up and we're just going to have to trust them.

tl;dr: Live by the keyboard, get annoyed by the keyboard.

[SSP]

SSP take these words as a kindness.

You decided to register for this board, you decided to inform us you are player family, and you have several times made posts that insinuate insider information. There is nothing wrong with doing that.

However, you have to understand that in a dearth of knowledge situation people will try to glean whatever info they can off of every word. Asking them to not make assumptions based on what you write just isn't feasible.

If you don't want those assumptions made, then you either need to 1) not post, and I would hate that option, or 2) not make the insinuations. Instead, post something generic like "I sure don't know anything about the details but the coaches seem to made their mind up and we're just going to have to trust them.

tl;dr: Live by the keyboard, get annoyed by the keyboard.

Now Cerebus.....you know people get filleted on here for supporting our coaches openly.

And you know what they say about people who "assume".

[Green P1]

I'll take this and help you, MeanGreenD.....

You all don't have all of the information. Period.

I agree. He was a heck of a lot better. It may be a moot point or they may not have a choice to play him depending on how they see the bigger picture. But - if you had all of the intel and are not just interested in building a season, but a program- doubt most of you would feel the same.

That's all that I'm saying on this subject.

Do you build a program by giving up a season just to hardheadedly get a message across to one single player?

That's neat.

[SSP]

Do you build a program by giving up a season just to hardheadedly get a message across to one single player?

That's neat.

No, I wouldn't.

[gradumacated]

If the point of not starting DW is to get the message across that he has to be a team player and he can't take his position for granted, I think it should be mission accomplished. Seeing as Greer and McNulty have not seized the opportunity(s) given to them, if you don't want to lose DW, then I think you have start him.

Given the performance of the offense over the first three games not starting DW now smacks of the coaches being petty and short-sighted. If DW continues to sit, then where is the incentive for him to do everything that Mac wants him to do if all that's going to happen is DW will be given first crack at mop-up duty?

All the evidence you could want is there, bar what happens when Williams starts. And I think everyone knows how you find out about that. Start DW against Nicholls, and if you need to pull him after a couple of series so that Mac's still "in charge," so be it. But I'd wager that we'd be up 14-0 if Williams starts Saturday.

[JesseMartin]

That had better be just in the 1st quarter....

[aztecskin]

I mean, sure. The folks that talk about players like they aren't people are the worst. And always will be. They likely do that kind of thing to baristas at your local Starbucks knock off.

That said, the bargain the coaches, athletic department, and players make is that in exchange for our passion and fan-love for their amazing public exploits is that we'll be critical and passionate about the failures.

The mythologizing of the coaching decision-making process is ridiculous. A good portion of the people here have managed people before. In many aspects, managing an employee at the McFastFood place is similar enough managing a program to elicit some shared understanding from We Who Would Watch if the right information was shared. That isn't to say that I know exactly what it is like to run a program. Obviously not. But it isn't so foreign a concept that I could not wrap my brain around it.

The thinking that "You just wouldn't understand the pressures we have as coaches in managing these players while balancing football decisions!" is laughable. We don't need to know exactly why Dajon isn't starting. It would ease the frustration of at least 16K people to say "Obviously Josh did not perform to everyone's standards. I understand everyone wants to see Dajon play, but we have a process for naming our starters and he is a few weeks away from being in that conversation until he completes said process."

But whatevs. I'm getting another coffee.

Something people continue to fail to understand is that the people/ players on here that are weekly blasted are worth more than your curiosities. If the Coaching staff wanted the public and the Fanbase to know why they made all of their decisions- I am more than certain that they would come to this panel of experts first.

That said- don't put words in my mouth or make heavy assumptions based on five sentences.

[gradumacated]

That had better be just in the 1st quarter....

Right, first quarter after 2 or at most 3 series. DW will give the program a much-needed lift right now and will bring excitement back to their play. When football is as much entertainment as it is results, fans will want to be entertained. I'd rather see a player be able to lead his teams to 2-3 TD drives with an INT or two then see a player look out of his depth and go no where yet "look after the football".

[UNT90]

I mean, sure. The folks that talk about players like they aren't people are the worst. And always will be. They likely do that kind of thing to baristas at your local Starbucks knock off.

That said, the bargain the coaches, athletic department, and players make is that in exchange for our passion and fan-love for their amazing public exploits is that we'll be critical and passionate about the failures.

The mythologizing of the coaching decision-making process is ridiculous. A good portion of the people here have managed people before. In many aspects, managing an employee at the McFastFood place is similar enough managing a program to elicit some shared understanding from We Who Would Watch if the right information was shared. That isn't to say that I know exactly what it is like to run a program. Obviously not. But it isn't so foreign a concept that I could not wrap my brain around it.

The thinking that "You just wouldn't understand the pressures we have as coaches in managing these players while balancing football decisions!" is laughable. We don't need to know exactly why Dajon isn't starting. It would ease the frustration of at least 16K people to say "Obviously Josh did not perform to everyone's standards. I understand everyone wants to see Dajon play, but we have a process for naming our starters and he is a few weeks away from being in that conversation until he completes said process."

But whatevs. I'm getting another coffee.

If I hear any of our coaches use the word "process" while describing the QB PROBLEM (it isn't a controversy at this point), just shoot me in the head because the season is over. Edited September 13, 2014 by UNT90

[TIgreen01]

Personally, I think there is a very good chance that we are screwed, either way. I have a hard time believing DW is this phenom that it seems many on here think he is. College football coaches are not known to be holy men who put much above winning. Don't read into that wrong...I'm just saying that if DW was blowing the doors off of everyone that I find it laughable that he wouldn't already be starting.

I say this having witnessed DWs mop up duty glory both this season and last. He's clearly more comfortable on the field than Greer, but to my eyes Greer shouldn't be starting at the FBS level yet. He's not ready. We might soon find out that DW isn't either. Then what?....

[Ben Gooding]

Well the coaching staff is fully to blame for the abysmal offense. I blame them now as I blame them from the get go. This coaching staff has known that DT was done with football 2013 since 2011. So they knew that they were going to have to recruit and develop a guy to take DT's place. If Josh Greer is the the best this coaching staff can do in 3 recruiting classes, fire them, now. It's the most important position on the field bar none and this is the best they can do? Josh Greer?

DW will not be a flop. He's a cool headed person and I think that he is more of a competitor than people think. If he fails than our coaching staff apparently can't recruit or develop. Bc he is all we have at this point.

[UNT90]

Personally, I think there is a very good chance that we are screwed, either way. I have a hard time believing DW is this phenom that it seems many on here think he is. College football coaches are not known to be holy men who put much above winning. Don't read into that wrong...I'm just saying that if DW was blowing the doors off of everyone that I find it laughable that he wouldn't already be starting.

I say this having witnessed DWs mop up duty glory both this season and last. He's clearly more comfortable on the field than Greer, but to my eyes Greer shouldn't be starting at the FBS level yet. He's not ready. We might soon find out that DW isn't either. Then what?....

Then he pays for his poor QB recruiting.

The thing is, we don't know what DW is yet. We know exactly what Greer and McNulty are at this point, and they aren't FBS QBs.

Put in DW and cross your fingers.

And get your ass out there and try to recruit the QB position much much better than you have in the past.

Edited September 13, 2014 by UNT90

[GOMG2013]

Personally, I think there is a very good chance that we are screwed, either way. I have a hard time believing DW is this phenom that it seems many on here think he is. College football coaches are not known to be holy men who put much above winning. Don't read into that wrong...I'm just saying that if DW was blowing the doors off of everyone that I find it laughable that he wouldn't already be starting.

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Like when we had 2 starting corners that weren't getting the job done last year. The coaches wanted to win right. They thought those guys were the best. One was on the sunbelt team.

After the third game they realized there were better younger players on the bench. They put them in and the defense became nasty. Once they got the opportunity, we realized they should have been out there for Ohio, a winnable game.

Something tells me will be thinking the same thing about dajon and if he would have started against La tech.

[Green P1]

Maybe if he isn't putting in the effort, starting him sends a bad signal.

But what signal are they sending by putting a guy out there that isn't even really making the most basic throws? I mean McNulty is the fastest runner. I would be ok with him just going out and running the option and passing 10 times a game if we win.

Otherwise, START DAJON!

MiniMac might be faster in a 40yd dash but he's nowhere near the football runner Dajon is.