UTSA Zona Game Thread

817Fan · September 5, 2014

UTSA has a strong squad this season. They've got 36 seniors, most all in their two deep.

http://www.goutsa.com/fls/13100/pdf_files/football/2014/depth_chart.pdf?DB_OEM_ID=13100

GrandGreen · September 5, 2014

I was a little surprised but I was really pulling for UTSA tonight. I usually want any of NT opponents to win unless they are playing NT, but even more than that I like to see the mighty P5 fall.

UTSA is obviously away ahead of NT at this point, but that doesn't mean they will be at the end of the year. Of course NT is going to have to develop at least an average CUSA qb.

Edited September 5, 2014 by GrandGreen

UNTexas · September 5, 2014

That's the spirit!

Charles Barkley was right about San Antonio. Fatty folks aren't endangered there.

casual fan · September 5, 2014

P5 schools pull for the other teams in their conference. They know if they take losses to non P5 schools it makes their conference look weak. They also understand how the polls look at the strength of their conference when it ranks the teams. Its hard to get a high ranking if you play in a weak conference because they discount the wins.

The Big East lost too many games to other conferences which led to their downfall.

The Mountain West became a little too good and the P5's gobbled up some teams and left them a weakened conference.

UNT needs the other CUSA schools to win as many nonconference games as possible.

You want to be ranked and taken seriously? Then win in a serious conference. I'm pulling for every team in CUSA when they are not playing us.

If CUSA becomes a threat to P5s, they will take a couple of teams and leave the conference weaker.

Edited September 5, 2014 by casual fan

Green Crazy · September 5, 2014

P5 schools pull for the other teams in their conference. They know if they take losses to non P5 schools it makes their conference look weak. They also understand how the polls look at the strength of their conference when it ranks the teams. Its hard to get a high ranking if you play in a weak conference because they discount the wins.
The Big East lost too many games to other conferences which led to their downfall.
The Mountain West became a little too good and the P5's gobbled up some teams and left them a weakened conference.
UNT needs the other CUSA schools to win as many nonconference games as possible.
You want to be ranked and taken seriously? Then win in a serious conference. I'm pulling for every team in CUSA when they are not playing us.
If CUSA becomes a threat to P5s, they will take a couple of teams and leave the conference weaker.

utsa is going after a lot of the same recruits as us and are winning a good amount of those battles. If we don't show the same sort of promise that they are this year, then this hurts us directly and hurts us now. I want everyone else in the conference to do well for the conference sake, but for right now not utsa. The difference in cusa and the p5 is they have a legitimate shot at the playoffs right now and cusa's chance is very slim. So, give me the results that make our team better now and allow us to capitalize on last year and hopefully this year.

UNT90 · September 5, 2014

I'll never root for everything that is wrong with college football to win any game.

Ever.

untjim1995 · September 5, 2014

I'll never root for everything that is wrong with college football to win any game.
Ever.

Do you dislike USF, too?

wardly · September 5, 2014

UTSA looked good tonight, and I personally pull for all CUSA teams. Unless we get much better much faster they will kick our butt at seasons end.

UNT90 · September 5, 2014

Do you dislike USF, too?

Different football times. Different football state.

Different.

VideoEagle · September 5, 2014

Different football times. Different football state.
Different.

Pretty much the same except for the word Florida. I didn't want either UTSA or Texas State moving up toFBS ball, not the because of competition but because they had yet to have success at the FCS level.

But that ship sailed, they are FBS schools now. UTSA is in our conference and people measure every team in the conference so wins by one help the others. That is why the SEC is considered so good even with Vandy, Kentucky, Miss State, etc.

"When the facts of the situation change, I change my opinion," wrote Keynes. It one thing he wrote I that I agree with.

Edited September 5, 2014 by VideoEagle

NT03 · September 5, 2014

Arizona beat UT-San Antonio at the Alamodome last night by 3 points. UTSA paid UA $300K to play there.
— Darren Rovell (@darrenrovell)
September 5, 2014

UNT90 · September 5, 2014

So, less than we paid Idaho.

A 1 and 1 with some extra cash thrown on top.

Take a look at UTSA scheduling. Think they made the right hire at AD?

http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/conf-usa/utsa-roadrunners.php

Cue the RV defenders to tell us we can never expect to be a craphole.

Edited September 5, 2014 by UNT90

Eagle1855 · September 5, 2014

I'm not going to say start a hysterical series comments about UTSA passing us by. But... they've managed to raise their profile to at least equal (if not better) a lot of other programs that have been around for a long, long while (NT and Texas State, come to mind). In fact, 69% of students accepted to both UTSA and Texas State choose to attend UTSA over the River College of San Marcos, every year. It's a school and program on the rise, like it or not.

Oh and they have guys who can throw the football. It was weird to watch the successful execution of a forward pass, as I've not seen it in some time.

Ben Gooding · September 5, 2014

I hear ya, but remember utsa could very well be garbage for the next 2-3 years after this year.

UNT90 · September 5, 2014

I wonder how often Coker reminds fans that he won a national title?

meangreenthirteen · September 5, 2014

I hear ya, but remember utsa could very well be garbage for the next 2-3 years after this year.

This, guys. Next year they will be abysmally bad. They lose nearly every one of their starters and a lot of their depth. They will most likely be the punching bag of the West next year.

Eagle1855 · September 5, 2014

This, guys. Next year they will be abysmally bad. They lose nearly every one of their starters and a lot of their depth. They will most likely be the punching bag of the West next year.

If they win 9-10 games this year, play for the C-USA championship and go to a bowl game, that's not going to matter all that much. They'll keep winning recruiting battles. And then they'll be back.

meangreenthirteen · September 5, 2014

If they win 9-10 games this year, play for the C-USA championship and go to a bowl game, that's not going to matter all that much. They'll keep winning recruiting battles. And then they'll be back.

Eh, I think they'll lose sufficient steam for it to be significant. Kids will be flipping offers left and right when they see the school that recruited them go 1-11.

untjim1995 · September 5, 2014

Different football times. Different football state.
Different.

That's extremely weak, UNT90.

Its the same exact model that USF laid out that UTSA is following to a tee. Tampa and San Antonio didn't have a college team to support as their own. Once they started their program, they got their local media behind them from day one. Plus, they had their alumni and students involved, since there has not been any apathy yet to set in.

BTW, I hate it too. But you cannot fault UTSA for doing what we couldn't or wouldn't do. Nor can you fault CUSA for looking at the potential of having their market in the league. Trust me on this, the AAC and the MWC are watching closely. When either of those leagues scoop them up, it won't kill our league, just because Texas State is there to take their place, but it would deifintely be another team in the state that will be higher than us on the conference ladder. SMU and UH fans are already open to getting them into their league, just for another Texas school to play in a growing market.

They are a growing G5 program that is gonna be here for a while.

UNT90 · September 5, 2014

That's extremely weak, UNT90.

Its the same exact model that USF laid out that UTSA is following to a tee. Tampa and San Antonio didn't have a college team to support as their own. Once they started their program, they got their local media behind them from day one. Plus, they had their alumni and students involved, since there has not been any apathy yet to set in.

BTW, I hate it too. But you cannot fault UTSA for doing what we couldn't or wouldn't do. Nor can you fault CUSA for looking at the potential of having their market in the league. Trust me on this, the AAC and the MWC are watching closely. When either of those leagues scoop them up, it won't kill our league, just because Texas State is there to take their place, but it would deifintely be another team in the state that will be higher than us on the conference ladder. SMU and UH fans are already open to getting them into their league, just for another Texas school to play in a growing market.

They are a growing G5 program that is gonna be here for a while.

1999 is akin to the dark ages of college football. No one knew (although we should have) the massive shift in competition that the devil's spawn BCS would cause, at least not the college football fan.

USF doesn't recruit against us, doesn't play in our conference, and doesn't play in our state.

If you can't see those differences, I can't help you.

If craphole gets "scooped up", it will be because of their all holy TV market, the only thing that matters in college sports anymore.

Edited September 5, 2014 by UNT90

FirefightnRick · September 5, 2014

https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/status/507871639216746496

Holy Shit!

Something's not right around here!

Rick

Eagle1855 · September 5, 2014

Its the same exact model that USF laid out that UTSA is following to a tee. Tampa and San Antonio didn't have a college team to support as their own. Once they started their program, they got their local media behind them from day one. Plus, they had their alumni and students involved, since there has not been any apathy yet to set in.

BTW, I hate it too. But you cannot fault UTSA for doing what we couldn't or wouldn't do. Nor can you fault CUSA for looking at the potential of having their market in the league. Trust me on this, the AAC and the MWC are watching closely. When either of those leagues scoop them up, it won't kill our league, just because Texas State is there to take their place, but it would deifintely be another team in the state that will be higher than us on the conference ladder. SMU and UH fans are already open to getting them into their league, just for another Texas school to play in a growing market.

They are a growing G5 program that is gonna be here for a while.

This all dead-on.

The other thing going for them is the same thing we'll have in our corner whenever our alleged baseball team starts: they have no tradition. That sounds like a negative, but it's an asset when you don't have to shake decades of "losing" tradition. They were able to start up and become what they wanted to become. I think they're something like 20-16. By that definition, it's a winning program and it has improved (at least in conference play) every year.

We can keep pretending like it isn't happening. But that's not going to stop it from happening.

LongJim · September 5, 2014

I wonder how often Coker reminds fans that he won a national title?

Lol'd at this.

UNTFan23 · September 5, 2014

Holy Shit!
Something's not right around here!
Rick

There is a cost with paying teams like Zona to come into your house for a home game. Take a look at last year's CUSA standings for all sports. The only other sport where UTSA didn't finish in the bottom half was Women's Volleyball. UTSA doesn't appear to put as much emphasis on non-revenue sports like North Texas does. We could do the same thing here but at the same time we might not have the winning tradition like we do with Women's Soccer (no losing seasons in the history of the program).

Softball

NT - 5th (31-22)

UTSA - 9th (24-30)

Women's Soccer - West Division

NT - 2nd (14-7-1)

UTSA - 6th (5-12-2)

Volleyball

NT - 5th (17-15)

UTSA - 1st (24-8)

Green Crazy · September 5, 2014

schools want into that san Antonio market, because there hasn't been fbs football played their in the regular season. so, it's virtually untapped. I think schools will take less to play there, just for the exposure.