QB Recruiting

[UNT Mean Green]

Not to knock any kids on this roster...after watching last night is anyone else concerned with our staff (Offensive Coordinator) evaluation of QB talent in recruiting?

Brent Osborn

Cooper Jones (now a backup TE)

Dajon Williams

Josh Greer

It's somewhat alarming if you take a step back and realize that while all of these kids have prototype frames and abilities, they just don't or haven't panned out as QB's? Canales had success with Dodge recruited QB's...what about his own?

Interested to get the peoples take on this.

[GOMG2013]

Dont forget brock berglund.

If we cant get this zone read, spread offense ish together then lets just get a running QB. A beast of a runner. A true running threat and not just a scrambler.

Mac has seen success with 3 different running qbs...Wallace, rosenfels, and tebo. Im sure he would not be against the idea. He wants to run the ball.

[Travis]

The thought has certainly crossed my mind. For someone who is all about the QB's he sure struggles to bring one in.

[SilverEagle]

Kinda makes you wonder doesn't it? Two possibilities here...

1. We don't get the QB's we'd like to see because the more outstanding run-throw QB's out there are reluctant to come to NT to be turned into bus drivers...or

2. Canales is not the expert in QB assessment/development we're been led to believe he is.

[Got5onIt]

How do you leave off McNulty? How many FBS rosters would he be on as a scholarship QB the last 3 years???

[Ben Gooding]

QB's work! I'm inclined to believe he can't evaluate talent to be honest. Out of McCarney/Canales recruits at the QB position that we currently have on this roster none of them are competent or have been given the opportunity to be competent. I still don't get the nonchalant PA out of shotgun that they do. Thompson did it, he was a statue, now he has Greer doing it and he's a statue. It fools nobody, the actual fake is garbage and neither of them can run. If Greer is in fact going to be our guy get him under center and run power football with extremely high % throws preferably off of a real PA. See Stanfords philosophy. If Mac/Canales is not going to exclusively move to that then get Greer out of the way. GMG

[BillySee58]

My take.

That's not enrirely true. What makes it really hard recruiting a qb here is that Coach Mccarney wants tall qbs. He wants a 6'3"+ qb who can run the offense and make throws from the pocket, without wanting to scramble and improvise. Basically what Thompson was.

Recruiting a qb here is hard enough, like you said. You need a qb to fall through the cracks and not get offered by the big schools, so that you either only have to beat out a few lower-level schools to land the kid, or no other schools at all.

Problem is, when a qb is 6'3"+ all of the big schools are going to give him a look. If a QB is 6'3"+ and is clearly a good qb, proving he plays like a D1 qb and doesn't just look like one, then he's going to have tons of offers from big schools.

Now sometimes if a QB is 6'1" or shorter he can be a good player yet still get passed up by the big schools for taller qbs. Kellen Moore fell to Boise State because he was 6' even. Jordan Lynch fell to Northern Illinois because he was 6' even. The best qb in our conference, Rakeem Cato fell to Marshall because, you guessed it, he's 6' tall.

I'm not saying good, tall qbs can't slip through the cracks to us, but it certainly is harder than a quality short qb getting passed up and falling to us. Hopefully Greer (and Mcnulty) prove last night was an aberration. But when a 6'5" qb who played for a strong-metroplex high school and a nationally ranked JUCO only has offers from schools like FIU, UAB, and us, you have to wonder why. Hope last night didn't prove why.

Best thing we can do is support Greer and Mcnulty and cheer like crazy for them next week. Still plenty of time to improve.

[Cerebus]

My take.

Scott Hall was listed at 6'1" but was not that tall. Maybe 6'0".

[BillySee58]

Scott Hall was listed at 6'1" but was not that tall. Maybe 6'0".

Exactly. The reason (or theory) why one would prefer tall qbs over short qbs in a primarily-under-center offense is because it is harder to see over the line when you're throwing from under center. But, as evidenced by Hall and others, it's pretty secondary to having accuracy and the intangibles.

[GreenMachine]

The thought has certainly crossed my mind. For someone who is all about the QB's he sure struggles to bring one in.

might explain why other assistants have been hired away from us and he hasn't.

[EagleGreen]

If you look at those recruits that we make offers to and those that sign, neither list has many qbs on it. I don't know why. Means is the most recent with any talent.