100 scholarships...

[BIG DAWG]

How many great payers from our recent past would we have lost if the P5 teams had 100 scholarships every year?

Dunbar, Orr, Chancellor...etc

It might be coming...

[Ben Gooding]

Scholarships are still under the NCAA umbrella. I'll worry about that if that happens. 100 scholarships for 65 schools would be the end of G5 as we know it. But again, not worrying about the what if's right now.

[H-towngreen]

I imagine that we will lose a lot more recruiting battles with the Indiana's and Colorado's of the world if they are paying them and we are not.

[NT Alum '04]

When new P5 rules are passed, can individual schools adopt the new rule or does the conference need vote to adopt new rule?

[UNT90]

I'll worry about that if that happens.

What has led us to where we are today...

But always a good plan...

Just sayin.

[UNT90]

I imagine that we will lose a lot more recruiting battles with the Indiana's and Colorado's of the world if they are paying them and we are not.

Tee Goree would not be on this roster if these rules were in effect last recruiting season.

[pastorgrant]

When new P5 rules are passed, can individual schools adopt the new rule or does the conference need vote to adopt new rule?

Our conference has already voted to keep up. We are going to be paying cost of attendance too.

[Ben Gooding]

What has led us to where we are today...

But always a good plan...

Just sayin.

Maybe so, but if changes aren't implemented in some capacity this football season we are done regardless. Scholarship changes or not. In the near future it will be a very seldom occurrence to be on national television or television in general. G5's took a punch, they have to punch back in some form. Fan bases have to be convinced that their respective program is not going to wither away. If they're not convinced of that soon, the withering away will take care of itself.

[Samuel Beecham]

http://www.dnj.com/story/sports/2014/07/23/c-usa-schools-ready-pay-athletes-beyond-scholarship/13045867/

CUSA has agreed to keep up with the P5 schools.

[Ben Gooding]

Yeah, they are keeping up now. Mac said it best after the bowl win.

[BillySee58]

How many great payers from our recent past would we have lost if the P5 teams had 100 scholarships every year?

Dunbar, Orr, Chancellor...etc

It might be coming...

Chancellor didn't have any other offers, so probably not him. There's a chance we still could've gotten Orr. Dunbar would've been harder, as he did have BCS offers.

To me, the biggest difference this will make would be with non-committable offers and expiring offers. Sometimes kids get P5 offers but they aren't committable, and that school is slow-playing them. Other times they do hold committable offers from P5 schools, but they choose to wait out the process and those offers are no longer good.

100 scholarship would allow schools to take these kids instead of just offer and slow play them. First they'd have to get rid of the 25 scholarships per class cap though.

But yes, this would make things extremely difficult on us.

[MeanGreenZen]

Psst... There are still only 11 players on each side of the ball when it is snapped. Also, the scholarship limit was 105 during the Hayden Fry-era and he still had some fantastic teams. If they increased the scholarship limit the market would change, I could see more highly-talented sophomores and juniors from P5 schools want to transfer to places like UNT for more playing time. The sky is not falling, Apogee is not crumbling, Rick Villareal is not shaving his mustache. We will be ok no matter what the P5 does.

Edited August 9, 2014 by MeanGreenZen

[Ben Gooding]

Yeah true, 11 NR's vs. 11 4/5 stars (with a plethora of 3/4 stars backing them up).This is a definitive step in this direction.

[MeanGreenZen]

Yeah true, 11 NR's vs. 11 4/5 stars (with a plethora of 3/4 stars backing them up).This is a definitive step in this direction.

Uh... This is how it already is and I like our chances in Game 1 this year.

[Ben Gooding]

There isn't a single starting 22 in the FBS made up of NR's. This will legitimately create that. 1000 more roster spots in the P5 would mean the best 1000 available players that would have more than probably been at a G5 school. This would abolish the tiny bit of parity that the G5's have built.

[MeanGreenZen]

First of all, if there are more scholarships available, the recruiting services will just rank more players: because heaven forbid we sign a kid who isn't ranked by a website employing minimum wage talent evaluators/writers who got cut from their 7th grade B team.

Also, do you know how many kids play high school football in this country? Giving P5 scholarships to 1000 more kids across the country won't make a significant dent in the talent level we can acquire. Tons of kids have the talent to play high level college football and never get the opportunity. Look at an NFL roster, sure there are guys from Alabama or Texas but a similar amount are from less prestigious programs. For example, right now the Dallas Cowboys have THREE guys on their roster from Northern Illinois. If the P5 schools each had 15 more scholarships, do you know where those three Dallas Cowboys would have played college football: still Northern Illiniois!

Remember why the scholarship limit was put in place? Title 9. If they add scholarships for men, they have to do it for women, too. Women's sports lose $. You think these schools want to add more of these new, more expensive "full cost of attendance" scholarships for non-revenue sports?

Ultimately, college football is a business and increasing from 85 to 100 scholarships DOES NOT make these schools more money so they aren't going to do it.

[outoftown]

I doubt that there will be a big push for more schollies. If you are among the less successfull schools of those 65 you have no interest for that to happen. One of the big effects would be that it would allow the Alabamas and UTs of the world to put more distance between themselves and the Vanderbilts, Missouris, Kansas and Iowa states.

[Got5onIt]

Psst... There are still only 11 players on each side of the ball when it is snapped. Also, the scholarship limit was 105 during the Hayden Fry-era and he still had some fantastic teams. If they increased the scholarship limit the market would change, I could see more highly-talented sophomores and juniors from P5 schools want to transfer to places like UNT for more playing time. The sky is not falling, Apogee is not crumbling, Rick Villareal is not shaving his mustache. We will be ok no matter what the P5 does.

This didn't happen back in the day. Big schools recruited kids just for the sake of keeping them out of rival school rosters. With 100 scholarship rosters probably on the horizon, this is going to happen all over again.

I think we're heading back to the way college football was well before the 80's where only 10-15 schools controlled the landscape.

Edited August 9, 2014 by Got5onIt

[UNT90]

First of all, if there are more scholarships available, the recruiting services will just rank more players: because heaven forbid we sign a kid who isn't ranked by a website employing minimum wage talent evaluators/writers who got cut from their 7th grade B team.

Also, do you know how many kids play high school football in this country? Giving P5 scholarships to 1000 more kids across the country won't make a significant dent in the talent level we can acquire. Tons of kids have the talent to play high level college football and never get the opportunity. Look at an NFL roster, sure there are guys from Alabama or Texas but a similar amount are from less prestigious programs. For example, right now the Dallas Cowboys have THREE guys on their roster from Northern Illinois. If the P5 schools each had 15 more scholarships, do you know where those three Dallas Cowboys would have played college football: still Northern Illiniois!

Remember why the scholarship limit was put in place? Title 9. If they add scholarships for men, they have to do it for women, too. Women's sports lose $. You think these schools want to add more of these new, more expensive "full cost of attendance" scholarships for non-revenue sports?

Ultimately, college football is a business and increasing from 85 to 100 scholarships DOES NOT make these schools more money so they aren't going to do it.

It eliminates competition which enables the money flow to increase.

They will do it the first chance they get. And if you think taking about 12 full teams of the most talented players in G5 and putting them in the P5 won't hurt the G5's competitiveness, you are just plain crazy.

12 full teams. Of roughly 65. All with the best talent in the G5.

It would kill football at these universities. And make no mistake, that is the end goal.

[RETSO]

I just had this same conversation with a friend of mine. I think some of you are kidding yourself if you think 100 scholarships won't have a negative impact on the G5. However you look at its 15 players off the market per P5 team that would have at least looked around at G5 schools....like good ole UNT .

[eulessismore]

But what do the television networks want?

[Texas Stranger]

But what do the television networks want?

This is what most of the wrist-slashers aren't understanding.

TV doesn't want fewer marketable games.

[Ben Gooding]

This is what most of the wrist-slashers aren't understanding.

TV doesn't want fewer marketable games.

Absolutely they don't. They want to close the gap within the P5 and make canyons in between the G5 and P5. That way the P5 cellar dwellers would eventually stand a chance and a KU v Iowa St game that in the past would have never made tv, now on tv. I would normally call this a "hidden" agenda, but it's a blatantly obvious agenda. P5 is seeing $ signs and the television market will follow suit.

[MeanGreenZen]

...and the P5 is controlled by reptilian alien central bankers who want to destroy lower-level FBS football so they can install a one world government and force all citizens to watch a Hunger Games-themed competition with tributes from the AAC, C-USA, MAC, MWC and Sun Belt that will be broadcast on the Longhorn Network.

[Ben Gooding]

Sounds fairly accurate.