Bo Bergdahl

[UNT90]

Good job guys. Let's kill a town's celebration for a POW's release because we hate Obama that much.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2648874/Mayor-cancels-plan-welcome-home-celebration-Hailey-Idaho-honor-freed-POW-Bowe-Bergdahl-local-Army-commander-calls-monstrous-profanity.html

No, it's killed because you don't celebrate the return of a possible deserter.

Shocking that you can't get away from defending Pres. Obama on everything to understand this.

Maybe you should just pre-judge Bergdahl like you did Zimmerman. Maybe the media will eventually tell you to do that. You've demonstrated your ability to follow their every command.

Edited June 6, 2014 by UNT90

[Rudy]

Oh so it's cause people hate the prez? So I guess even the far left who are questioning the release hate him too?

[UNTexas]

Good job guys. Let's kill a town's celebration for a POW's release because we hate Obama that much.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2648874/Mayor-cancels-plan-welcome-home-celebration-Hailey-Idaho-honor-freed-POW-Bowe-Bergdahl-local-Army-commander-calls-monstrous-profanity.html

Or maybe they aren't going to celebrate a criminal deserter who's desertion resulted in the deaths of 6 men from his battalion that were engaged in the recovery operation? Edited June 6, 2014 by UNTexas

[Coffee and TV]

No, it's killed because you don't celebrate the return of a possible deserter.

Not actually. Good job not reading the article.

[UNT90]

Not actually. Good job not reading the article.

Ya, I read the article.

If you don't celebrate the return of a possible deserter who cost non-deserting American soldiers their lives, then you won't have this reaction from people upset about a hero's welcome for a possible deserter.

Although I must say the visceral reaction by these people is about equal to yours in that Zimmerman thread...

Edited June 6, 2014 by UNT90

[Coffee and TV]

Ya, I read the article.

If you don't celebrate the return of a possible deserter who cost non-deserting American soldiers their lives, then you won't have this reaction from people upset about a hero's welcome for a possible deserter.

Although I must say the visceral reaction by these people is about equal to yours in that Zimmerman thread...

My reaction on some message board thread is equal to the death threats being sent to elected officials and event organizers? LOLKAY

[UNT90]

My reaction on some message board thread is equal to the death threats being sent to elected officials and event organizers? LOLKAY

Don't recall you having one problem with the black panthers basically putting a hit out on Zimmerman.

Shoulda never scheduled a hero's welcome for a potential traitor who caused the death of other true American soldiers.

[Cerebus]

I'm just here to throw in a few definitions from Article 85 of the UCMJ.

When someone "fails to go to his appointed place of duty at the time prescribed", you are AWOL. If you are AWOL for an extended period of time (30 days) you are administratively considered to be a deserter.*

However if you plan to go AWOL "with intent to remain away permanently", you are automatically a deserter. For example if you leave your sergeant a note that says "Suck it Sarge, I'm never coming back! #YOLO" and they catch you climbing the fence, you are a deserter.

There are also two types of desertion, what I described above, and "desertion with intent to avoid hazardous duty or to shirk important service." That is the big one.

Also remember that a deserter doesn't stand in front of a civilian jury where he is presumed innocent and has to be proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. He is going before the courts-martial and will be tried under the UCMJ.

There is no doubt in my mind that the evidence is more than enough for Bowe Bergdahl to be convicted of the more serious case of desertion and shirking duty. So what is his punishment.

Well "In time of war" the death penalty is an option. This is an administrative state that the CIC files, unrelated to the congressional War Powers Act. Neither Bush nor Obama performed this action, so in the eyes of the UCMJ we are not "In a time of war." So what is the max penalty he BB is looking at? "Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 5 years."

I really have no idea if the evidence is strong enough for a treason charge. The Constitutional barrier is really high. The charges would be brought by the Justice Department.

* The actual definitions of AWOL are very convoluted, much more than the article that describes desertion. I put a simple example here, but in point of fact since Bergdahl went AWOL from a watch post, he was instantly a deserter.

[UNTLifer]

How anyone would not question this trade is beyond me. Of course, our usual Left defending board members are out in full force touting their naivete over this entire situation. Plus, didn't it bother anyone that Bergdahl's dad praised Allah as he started his speech and has stated that he will continue to work to secure the release of more detainees from Gitmo? 90 has hit the nail on the head so many times in this thread that he should be considered a master carpenter.

Oh, and like anything else on here, the usuals, Quoner and CBL, resort to ill-timed "humor" and Tasty tries,to put us all in our place with his research.

This deal stunk from the beginning and Obama should held to the fire for this, but you can't question the Emperor.

[GreenBat]

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2014/06/bowe_bergdahl_and_negotiating_with_the_taliban_why_the_deal_to_free_this.html

[UNT90]

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2014/06/bowe_bergdahl_and_negotiating_with_the_taliban_why_the_deal_to_free_this.html

Really stupid splitting of hairs in this article. The 5 released aren't terrorist, just high level members of a government that marched lock step with Al Queda, providing them safe haven and training facilities in Afghanistan.

Ok. Your point?

Old article that was posted before.

And it is a huge difference that this was a deserter, not a soldier captured performing his duties. Huge.

I loved how the mouthpieces of the Obama administration were on all the Sunday shows saying "Bo said he was in a cage, so he must have had it hard." Seriously? You believe the word of a deserter? Surely HE would have no reason to lie...

[Rudy]

If Bergdahl served honorably just by volunteering and putting on a uniform, then Nidal Hassan served honorably as well?

[EagleGreen]

Ya, I read the article.

If you don't celebrate the return of a possible deserter who cost non-deserting American soldiers their lives, then you won't have this reaction from people upset about a hero's welcome for a possible deserter.

Although I must say the visceral reaction by these people is about equal to yours in that Zimmerman thread...

I realize you aren't kidding, which is odd. The guy leaves without his gun and he is a deserter? And, as a person serving his country, held hostage for 5 years, you expect the town he is from to NOT have a celebration because of speculation that he is a deserter? You have to be kidding! And, to prove your point you are bringing up the response to the case of a zealot dirtbag? Wow, man. Wow. It won't do any good for me to say this but you probably need some time alone, without political news, for at least a month. Decompress, watch something beautiful happen, and stay a little loopy. Maybe 2 months.

[UNT90]

I realize you aren't kidding, which is odd. The guy leaves without his gun and he is a deserter? And, as a person serving his country, held hostage for 5 years, you expect the town he is from to NOT have a celebration because of speculation that he is a deserter? You have to be kidding! And, to prove your point you are bringing up the response to the case of a zealot dirtbag? Wow, man. Wow. It won't do any good for me to say this but you probably need some time alone, without political news, for at least a month. Decompress, watch something beautiful happen, and stay a little loopy. Maybe 2 months.

Zealot dirtbag? Interesting to know what exactly you base that prejudice on? More inaccurate news reports?

Leaving the gun actually makes his desertion WORSE. And it is desertion. Did you read Cerebus's post? By definition, my friend.

Leaving the gun means he wasn't going off orders to kill the enemy. Leaving the gun indicates that he was looking to SURRENDER TO the enemy.

If this wasn't his plan, why the hell wouldn't he take his weapon with him in VERY dangerous territory? Ever think about that?

Even for a second?

[Censored by Laurie]

Maybe Bergdahl was in fact a highly-trained, covert operative sent to present himself as a deserter to the Taliban and has been conducting a five-year deep-cover mission...and the five released GITMO detainees were in fact of a American programmed double-agents sent to infiltrate and exploit the weaknesses in the Taliban structure, based largely on intelligence collected through Bergdahl's brave work.

So long as that possibility exists I for one won't find myself on the wrong side of history in criticizing this potential American hero.

Won't you guys feel like a bunch of jerks.

[Coffee and TV]

We can't prejudge a guy for shooting an unarmed black kid, but a soldier who has been captive by the Taliban for 5 years? Go right ahead.

[All About UNT]

If Bergdahl served honorably just by volunteering and putting on a uniform, then Nidal Hassan served honorably as well?

Dumb

[Censored by Laurie]

Man...what if those five released detainees fully execute their mission and destroy the Taliban?

Barack Obama and Bowe Bergdahl would just have won the War on Terror

[Green P1]

We can't prejudge a guy for shooting an unarmed black kid, but a soldier who has been captive by the Taliban for 5 years? Go right ahead.

duh

[UNT90]

We can't prejudge a guy for shooting an unarmed black kid, but a soldier who has been captive by the Taliban for 5 years? Go right ahead.

Nope. Just pointing out concerns. Concerns that you are willing to overlook because of your political point of view.

Why does color matter to you? Would you have been less outraged if it was a white kid and a black gunman with the same circumstances? Would you have been so hot to trot about those false media reports and so quick to jump right behind them?

If the answer is yes, what does that say about you?

[Coffee and TV]

Nope. Just pointing out concerns. Concerns that you are willing to overlook because of your political point of view.

[UNT90]

Ever care to address your prejudice in the Zimmerman thread?

I mean ever?

A simple "I was wrong and jumped to conclusions" will do.

Can you bring yourself to utter those obviously painful words? Or are you the RV of the Pie forum?

[Coffee and TV]

Dude I looked back through like 10 pages of my posts and didn't even get to the Zimmerman thread? I'm not certain what conclusions I jumped to other than he shot an unarmed kid.

[UNT90]

Dude I looked back through like 10 pages of my posts and didn't even get to the Zimmerman thread? I'm not certain what conclusions I jumped to other than he shot an unarmed kid.

So easy to ignore your own prejudice, eh? Edited June 10, 2014 by UNT90

[KingDL1]

If you gentleman would like to carry on what seems to be a pissing contest (though entertaining at times) I suggest PMing each other.

I think this one has run its course and thank you for playing.