Texas last in HS completion (age 25+)

[GTWT]

I'm proud to be a Texan. But this -

http://www.brookings.edu/research/interactives/state-of-metropolitan-america-indicator-map#/?subject=4&ind=27&dist=1_0&data=Percent&year=2010&geo=state&zoom=0&x=0&y=0

is something Texans should be ashamed of.

[GTWT]

If this posted twice I'm ashamed of that too.

[Mean Green 93-98]

You'll notice that the states with the highest levels of illegal immigration are all at or toward the bottom. I'm sure that's a major factor here.

[SCREAMING EAGLE-66]

It is more about WHO lives in those states and not the education system.... Note the top states and the make-up of their population....

[Coffee and TV]

You'll notice that the states with the highest levels of illegal immigration are all at or toward the bottom. I'm sure that's a major factor here.

Immigration. Legal or not.

[MeanGreenTexan]

Immigration. Legal or not.

Right. And I think that's why these kinds of graphs should be taken with a grain of salt. Of course it's going to be more difficult to teach students (and therefore a higher probability of dropping out) if the students cannot communicate well with the teachers.

I don't know how many non-English speaking immigrants are going to Madison, WI. Provo/Ogden, UT. Minneapolis, MN. Omaha, NE. or Des Moines, IA., but I bet not very many.

[GTWT]

The same site ranks Texas 7th in terms of migrants & last in HS education. I'm sure immigration contributes but still we do a lousy job of educating the people we're supposed to educate.

[Mean Green 93-98]

Right. And I think that's why these kinds of graphs should be taken with a grain of salt. Of course it's going to be more difficult to teach students (and therefore a higher probability of dropping out) if the students cannot communicate well with the teachers.

I don't know how many non-English speaking immigrants are going to Madison, WI. Provo/Ogden, UT. Minneapolis, MN. Omaha, NE. or Des Moines, IA., but I bet not very many.

There is more to it than language barriers. There are also cultural barriers, and an immigrating group's attitude toward education in general.

[MeanGreenTexan]

There is more to it than language barriers. There are also cultural barriers, and an immigrating group's attitude toward education in general.

True as well. You won't get work ethic taught to you in school.

[SCREAMING EAGLE-66]

There is more to it than language barriers. There are also cultural barriers, and an immigrating group's attitude toward education in general.

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Absolutely .... Most Asian ones tend to value education, and drop the use of their native language in public. Not so much true of some other groups... As for us being 7th in immigrants... we in Texas also have some groups that have lived here for decades as citizens that can't speak English and/or don't value education very highly.. Oddly I had a college student (30-ish woman) last year whose mother was finally learning English after living here for decades and she now had grand-kids and they could not speak her language... they just spoke English. She was unable to talk to them..

Nearly all stats need a bit of explanation... There is often some oddity that affects them ..

One I am expecting to see on the next census ... for decades Americans have been getting slightly taller... bet they don't next time... reason.. so many immigrants are coming from "short" populations.. so it may drop some as their kids become adults. . .

Edited May 14, 2014 by SCREAMING EAGLE-66

[UNT90]

Immigration. Legal or not.

I think legal immigrants are slightly (by that, I mean Leo's and bounds) more prepared to assimilate into American culture and language. At least that SHOULD be part of the criteria for legal immigration.

Don't you?

[SCREAMING EAGLE-66]

I think legal immigrants are slightly (by that, I mean Leo's and bounds) more prepared to assimilate into American culture and language. At least that SHOULD be part of the criteria for legal immigration.

Don't you?

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Not much of an issue ... there are Hispanics that have lived here for decades (legally) that can't speak English worth a damn. A lot of illegals are now coming in are not from Mexico either but from parts of Central America via Mexico. Political/drug situation there is very bad and dangerous. When in Costa Rica I learned a lot were going there also and working fields. they would follow rivers into the country... Costa Rica is stable. We have run across the problem that some Hispanic parents often don't want their kids to be more educated than they are... ( I know that sounds odd to most of us ). If a 7th grade education was good enough for them then is good enough for their kids.. and they go into construction often times .One thing that has changed a lot is Hispanic girls... rarely saw them in college classes 20-30 years ago... now there are a lot more of them..more than Hispanic guys.. ... most really struggle because they went through HS without learning/trying a lot. . I would argue there is little difference between legals and illegal ones ... some groups coming in value education... especially he Burmese (fleeing for their lives and poorly educated), the other Asians we are seeing are better. (but I suppose most not all of them are legal). Apparently a lot of illegal Asians get here by way of Mexico as well..The Asian ones try to learn English quickly....Hispanics.. not so much .. there is Spanish TV and lots of people to talk to.... all about incentive.

One big criteria for legal immigration... they are fleeing for their lives because of political or ethic reasons.. forget the rest....That is true of Burmese, and has been Vietnamese, etc.

Edited May 15, 2014 by SCREAMING EAGLE-66

[oldguystudent]

Texas ranks #23 for white people over 25 at 92%. Do we feel better now?

[UNT90]

One big criteria for legal immigration... they are fleeing for their lives because of political or ethic reasons.. forget the rest....That is true of Burmese, and has been Vietnamese, etc.

Tells me all I need to know.

The rest was just a strange mixture of ill fitting words.

[Green P1]

Thanks a lot Rick Perry.