Todge on the move?

[drex]

Bad coach for us? Yes. Bad person? No.

[untjim1995]

Bad coach for us? Yes. Bad person? No.

Exactly...

Todd Dodge was just Vic Trilli as a football coach--a great family man, a man who helped to get huge facilites improved, and was good in front of a microphone or camera (unlike his predecessor). We NEVER would have goitten Fouts replaced if Todd Dodge didnt keep that issue in front of the BOR during any press interviews he did, maintaining that he was promised that a new stadium was in the works even though it ended up taking the stealthiest campaign the university could have put on to get it approved. Apogee never gets built if Dodge doesn't force the issue to keep it on the front burner, which forced the university to eventually have to do something. UNTFlyer took care of most of the campaign, but Todd Dodge gave it the full attention it deserved.

But he was an incredible under-achiever as a football coach, since he had no one on staff for basically two years that had little-to-no college experience. It was right for him to get fired, as it actually happened later than it really should have, but the university wouldn't buy out two years of his contract. He just wasn't the right fit here, just like Dickey wasn't, Simon wasn't, and Parker wasn't. Corky Nelson might have been if he had an administration to even attempt to care about sports. What makes me feel better is to know that we currently do have a coach that is the right fit--I just wonder how much longer he will stay here if he gets an offer from an AQ team. I still think he will get a call from Kansas at the end of this year, assuming Weis has another terrible year. He knows that league, that area of the country, and would be able to get another rebuilding gig, which he seems to specialize in. We'll see, but that is my biggest concern with Coach Mac at this point in time...because he really is the best fit for this place.

[TheTastyGreek]

Every time I see someone try to respond to performance complaints about Todd Dodge by defending him on a personal level (as a family man, good and kind spirit, and someone who put his players first, etc.)... I think about Joe Miller, and remember that they're either ignorant or just full of crap.

[UNT90]

I remember a coach that was not good at his job. I remember a coach that was disconnected from his players. I remember a coach that was slow to realize he was in over his head. What I don't remember is a bad person deserving to have his name drug through the mud every chance we get. Dodge did not speak poorly of the program when he was fired. There was no black jersey game. No cussing of the fans.

Let it go

So your saying you can completely ruin a football program as long as when it's time to leave (which is ALWAYS deep in the fourth year of a contract at UNT) you play nice?

Is that really the standard you have?

I know it's been a nut kick for a long time around here, but really?

And again, take a look at the big picture. While UCF and USF went right by, we made the worst freaking hire possible and did nothing to correct it for 2 years after it was painfully obvious this was the case.

But we learned from that, right?

Year 3 Benford would disagree.

As long as we are in the mindset of "best value in town", my donation level will reflect that value. When we finally get serious maybe I'll increase donation levels.

[greenit]

At the very least, can we all just agree that TU grads cannot be trusted at their jobs and should not be hired when suitable UNT grads are available?

[Cerebus]

Quick question.

If we had to hire one back and give him a ten year contract: Dodge or Dickey.

I'll hang up and listen.

[oldguystudent]

At the very least, can we all just agree that TU grads cannot be trusted at their jobs and should not be hired when suitable UNT grads are available?

Best answer right there. Light him up and turn him green!

[emmitt01]

The big picture is we are dating a girl who wants to marry us and have our babies and you're rehashing the girlfriend who ruined your credit, slept with your best friend and left deep emotional scars that make it hard to trust again

FIFY

And, as to the "why do we keep bringing him up and demonizing him" question, there's a simple solution. Let's stop tracking his (and his son's) every move like they left a great legacy here . Let's chastise the OP for bringing the ghost out of the closet.

[Mean Green 93-98]

And, as to the "why do we keep bringing him up and demonizing him" question, there's a simple solution. Let's stop tracking his (and his son's) every move like they left a great legacy here . Let's chastise the OP for bringing the ghost out of the closet.

I don't see curiosity in what our past coaches are doing as suggesting anything about legacy. As a North Texas football fan, I'm curious to know what Matt Simon, Darrell Dickey, and Todd Dodge are up to these days, and I appreciate it when someone posts that information.

That said, that information might be better posted in the Eagles' Nest than in the football forum, considering their present employment no longer has any real bearing on UNT football.

[the green rokemi]

Fify

Touche ;-)

[untjim1995]

Quick question.

If we had to hire one back and give him a ten year contract: Dodge or Dickey.

I'll hang up and listen.

Get the popcorn ready...

[TIgreen01]

This thread has been fun. I get that Dodge butchered the hell out of coaching our football team for 4 years. I was there, it was awful. Seemed like the man spent most of his time inventing new ways to lose games. If there was a way to track that kind of thing with numbers and stats, he might rank as the greatest of all time!

But all the angst is too much. Point that instead at your administration that set such a ridiculously low budget that Dodge was legitimately one of the better options available for that price point. Think about that for a minute. A high school coach that looked at the salary and didn't immediately jump at the offer---he had to be sold with other promises (new stadium, etc). Thankfully, that era went down in such fantastic fashion that we more than doubled the budget for our football staff.

Edited April 29, 2014 by TIgreen01

[Green92]

Quick question.

If we had to hire one back and give him a ten year contract: Dodge or Dickey.

I'll hang up and listen.

Drop the program.

[the green rokemi]

Quick question.

If we had to hire one back and give him a ten year contract: Dodge or Dickey.

I'll hang up and listen.

I think a more relevant question is if you think Mike Peterson would do better than Benford as men's coach. I think so and he would come at a cheaper price so we could afford Benford's buy out

[TIgreen01]

Quick question.

If we had to hire one back and give him a ten year contract: Dodge or Dickey.

I'll hang up and listen.

I think the obvious answer is neither. We quit. We let the P5's "autonomy" BS be the excuse we use publicly---but the real reason will always be that Cerebus held a gun to RV and the BOR's head and demanded one of these 2 coaches be hired back.

[the green rokemi]

I think the obvious answer is neither. We quit. We let the P5's "autonomy" BS be the excuse we use publicly---but the real reason will always be that Cerebus held a gun to RV and the BOR's head and demanded one of these 2 coaches be hired back.

Ha! Or we go varsity blues and let the players coach!

[emmitt01]

Quick question.

If we had to hire one back and give him a ten year contract: Dodge or Dickey.

I'll hang up and listen.

Dickey. What's the worst that could happen?

He might run the ball predictably on first downs, even against a stacked box and count on his defense to win games. All the while promising in the Spring and Fall to "open up" the offense.

Nah, we'd NEVER tolerate that around here.

[untjim1995]

This thread has been fun. I get that Dodge butchered the hell out of coaching our football team for 4 years. I was there, it was awful. Seemed like the man spent most of his time inventing new ways to lose games. If there was a way to track that kind of thing with numbers and stats, he might rank as the greatest of all time!

But all the angst is too much. Point that instead at your administration that set such a ridiculously low budget that Dodge was legitimately one of the better options available for that price point. Think about that for a minute. A high school coach that looked at the salary and didn't immediately jump at the offer---he had to be sold with other promises (new stadium, etc). Thankfully, that era went down in such fantastic fashion that we more than doubled the budget for our football staff.

I've always argued that we really quarter-assed it with athletics funding for decades, and only recently, have bumped it up to half-assed. With Coach Mac's salary being more than double than Todd Dodge's salary, but about half of what June Jones makes, it lets you know where we sit on the funding, just as the reality of keeping Tony Benford around shows that we aren't ready to go full bore at not being a loser.

The new stadium is absolutely wonderful and the Super Pit remains a great venue for college hoops, so the facilities funding has been done at a much better rate than personnel funding, but even with that, when you combine the fact that it took a stealth campaign to get the stadium funded and the student fee that other traditional power schools in Texas, like UTSA and Texas State, get to charge a higher rate for in perpetuity, our leadership made that fee much lower than UTSA and Texas State and also allowed it to be "sunset-able"in the future. There is no doubt we have improved funding, support, and facilities in the last 5-10 years, but from where we came from, it really is about going from quarter-ass to half-ass in terms of athletic spending, as compared to our non-AQ compadres.

[untjim1995]

Dickey. What's the worst that could happen?

He might run the ball predictably on first downs, even against a stacked box and count on his defense to win games. All the while promising in the Spring and Fall to "open up" the offense.

Nah, we'd NEVER tolerate that around here.

Don't forget, after he promised that, he would then tell the team that the die-hard 2000 fans we have are really MFers...then he would tell Brett Vito that this was the worst job in America, that he knows because he works here everyday.

But we would only lose 45-6 against name your OOC powerhouse by just running the ball into the line of scrimmage on three straight downs, which wwould then be followed by a beautiful punt from one of our All-American punters, who will eventually not be able to walk when they get older becuase ofthe overuse of their legs during their college careers.

And for real fun, we will break out the Hutch Black Jersey Night as our promotion, with a special drawing to fight the OC in the stands, without said OC even getting reprimanded...

But we would never lose to FIU or another spare SBC team by 35 points, either...so DIckey would always have scoreboard on Todd Dodge for that, since we would be behind to one of those schools by about 3 TDs at halftime under Todge.

BTW, I now love Dan McCarney even more after typing this post...

[Cerebus]

Quick question.

If we had to hire one back and give him a ten year contract: Dodge or Dickey.

I'll hang up and listen.

Poll Results So Far:

Dickey: 1

Dodge: 0

Hara-Kiri: 3

[Got5onIt]

Dodge sucked harder than a Thai prostitue on 2-fer-1 night.

Dodge vs Dickey plus a 10 year contract:

The Dickster by a freakin' country mile.

But hey, Dodge was a nice guy. I'd have a shit eatin' grin, too, if I robbed a university & athletic department of half a million dollars.

[Mean Green 93-98]

Poll Results So Far:

Dickey: 1

Dodge: 0

Hara-Kiri: 3

Yeah, put me in that third column as well. Although I certainly look on the Dickey era overall much more fondly than the Dodge era.

[emmitt01]

Don't forget, after he promised that, he would then tell the team that the die-hard 2000 fans we have are really MFers...then he would tell Brett Vito that this was the worst job in America, that he knows because he works here everyday.

But we would only lose 45-6 against name your OOC powerhouse by just running the ball into the line of scrimmage on three straight downs, which wwould then be followed by a beautiful punt from one of our All-American punters, who will eventually not be able to walk when they get older becuase ofthe overuse of their legs during their college careers.

And for real fun, we will break out the Hutch Black Jersey Night as our promotion, with a special drawing to fight the OC in the stands, without said OC even getting reprimanded...

But we would never lose to FIU or another spare SBC team by 35 points, either...so DIckey would always have scoreboard on Todd Dodge for that, since we would be behind to one of those schools by about 3 TDs at halftime under Todge.

BTW, I now love Dan McCarney even more after typing this post...

Let's not forget that he'd do all of those things while recruiting to a stadium that required generators to host a game, had half the paltry budgets that we do now and being disparaged for taking us to four straight conference titles without earning the "style points" that people wanted to see.

I saw in this thread someone put forth that Apogee wouldn't have been possible without Dodge mentioning it in press conferences. I wonder, which carried more weight with student voters and the BOR...sound bytes by a man with a 13% winning percentage or four bowl trips to prove that the football program was not an utter waste of time?

[TIgreen01]

Let's not forget that he'd do all of those things while recruiting to a stadium that required generators to host a game, had half the paltry budgets that we do now and being disparaged for taking us to four straight conference titles without earning the "style points" that people wanted to see.

I saw in this thread someone put forth that Apogee wouldn't have been possible without Dodge mentioning it in press conferences. I wonder, which carried more weight with student voters and the BOR...sound bytes by a man with a 13% winning percentage or four bowl trips to prove that the football program was not an utter waste of time?

In the midst of the bowl run, we had a student vote that failed. In the midst of one of the worst runs in collegiate football history, we had a vote that passed.

Next question.

[UNT90]

In the midst of the bowl run, we had a student vote that failed. In the midst of one of the worst runs in collegiate football history, we had a vote that passed.

Next question.

Oversimplify much?