Wanna be a company man?

[GreenMachine]

Agree that the system is broken. That is why the government is stepping in to reform it and give relief to those who need it.

Government reform of the system is incentive enough to enact change on your own. The government threatened to take a heavy hand in Major League Baseball and Steroids. Baseball quickly made changes themselves just to keep Government out of it. The writing was on the wall for pharmaceutical companies, hospitals, doctors. They chose not to change the system and they chose poorly.

As for states and extending Medicare - that is the option of the ACA. The states with republican governers are electing not to extend Medicare. Those are the states that are having problems.

Please name one department of the govt that is run smoothly, efficiently, and effectively. The less govt involvement, the better.

[SCREAMING EAGLE-66]

Please name one department of the govt that is run smoothly, efficiently, and effectively. The less govt involvement, the better.

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The larger a company gets the less efficient, and less well run it gets (usually).... (except small ones that appear and then quickly disappear ) No company is as large as a national government.

Not so sure about your "less government the better" entirely ...... you want no food, drug, safety, and environment inspections..?? . they were created for a reason ... most companies will cut corners for a profit. Countries with lousy weak governments tend to be lousy countries... [ Somalia for example ] ..but yes we don't need EXCESSIVE control and some areas they should leave to local or state control .. again smaller and usually better run .. If we depended on locals or no government to build interstates for example .. we would not have any... want to dissolve that too.???

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[SCREAMING EAGLE-66]

Too bad companies can't be like the govt. Keep non productive employees on the payroll for life, spend taxpayer money frivioulously, and when that money runs out, just print some more.

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Talk to your mailman.... ours claims they are way understaffed now (at least here) .... I just went through customs in Houston yesterday.... they now have a lot of check-in machines to to do what people was doing a short time ago ... less employees. again. You are buying into a lot of bunk Fox et. al. put out.... Yes there is waste and useless programs... The worse of which is some defense plants building weapons [ multibillion dollar projects ] the the army/navy/airforce. doesn't even want ... to help some congressman keep his job in that district. Who was considered the "king of earmarks" ..?.. Santorium ... and then he claimed to be extremely conservative but now understood .... really. ???

[SCREAMING EAGLE-66]

Lol. The "government" could care less whether the system is reformed of not. Their answer was a Ponzi scheme modeled after social security. If it wasn't enacted by the "government," it would be illegal. Oh, and by "government" you mean democrat politicians and a democrat President.

It is about creating dependency. Dependency on the government, which creates additional power for the party that passed this terrible political bill disguised as "health care reform."

You can survive quite nicely in this country without ever lifting a finger to work. Need more cheese? Have another kid. Hell, claim the kid has autism and get him declared "disabled" by the age of 6. Then you will really be banking that government cheese.

Programs like "Heath care" do nothing but widen the gap between the have and have nots. Notice how the democrat "haves" in congress are exempt lot from the program? Ever stop for even one second to wonder why? Funny thing about socialism, the people who preach it rarely practice it.

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If you believe what you say .... then you will not collect more than you paid in to S.S. and medicare... ...protest it.... .by doing that....... So you support the India system ... let the disabled lay on the street and beg... yes there are problems and they bother me but the alternative is likely worse. It bothers the hell out of me to see someone buy groceries with "food stamps" then buy a carton of cigarettes or case of beer with their money... You have an answer for that. ??? Wish there was one. Odd you never criticize the GOP... they controlled Congress and the White House for years and did nothing but run up the debt as much as all 42 administrations combined ... and invade a country on false info. .

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[UNT90]

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If you believe what you say .... then you will not collect more than you paid in to S.S. and medicare... ...protest it.... .by doing that....... So you support the India system ... let the disabled lay on the street and beg... yes there are problems and they bother me but the alternative is likely worse. It bothers the hell out of me to see someone buy groceries with "food stamps" then buy a carton of cigarettes or case of beer with their money... You have an answer for that. ??? Wish there was one. Odd you never criticize the GOP... they controlled Congress and the White House for years and did nothing but run up the debt as much as all 42 administrations combined ... and invade a country on false info. .

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So agenda driven are you, straight down the liberal line.

I criticize the "GOP" all the time. I've said numerous times that GW Bush was anything but a conservative. I said the nomination of Romney was a HUGE problem, because he was anything but conservative and couldn't run against Pres. Obama one the main issue on which Obama was vulnerable.

I'm conservative, not republican. Don't mix them up.

You are a far left Dem that follows the party talking points, all the way down to pretending you are "fiscally conservative," which your posts and your complete lack of accountability for the way money has been spent the last 7 years demonstrates.

I'm glad you saw machines in airports and talked to a west Texas mailman (you know, in an area where EVERYONE is short on workers for jobs that pay less than 90k), but why don't you actually look at government growth figures? Because they don't say what you want to portray, that's why.

[LongJim]

LOL at this thread. Health care worked pretty damn well when doctors could charge what people could pay. But no, we HAD to get "regulation" into place so everyone could "afford" health care. That was over 3 decades ago. That didn't work, so now we have OCare. You know--so people can "afford" health care. Yes, the solution is to throw MORE taxpayer money into a system created by the people that screwed it up in the first place. Carry on.

[GreenMachine]

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The larger a company gets the less efficient, and less well run it gets (usually).... (except small ones that appear and then quickly disappear ) No company is as large as a national government.

Not so sure about your "less government the better" entirely ...... you want no food, drug, safety, and environment inspections..?? . they were created for a reason ... most companies will cut corners for a profit. Countries with lousy weak governments tend to be lousy countries... [ Somalia for example ] ..but yes we don't need EXCESSIVE control and some areas they should leave to local or state control .. again smaller and usually better run .. If we depended on locals or no government to build interstates for example .. we would not have any... want to dissolve that too.???

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You do comprehend that less govt doesn't equal no govt correct?

[GreenMachine]

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Talk to your mailman.... ours claims they are way understaffed now (at least here) .... I just went through customs in Houston yesterday.... they now have a lot of check-in machines to to do what people was doing a short time ago ... less employees. again. You are buying into a lot of bunk Fox et. al. put out.... Yes there is waste and useless programs... The worse of which is some defense plants building weapons [ multibillion dollar projects ] the the army/navy/airforce. doesn't even want ... to help some congressman keep his job in that district. Who was considered the "king of earmarks" ..?.. Santorium ... and then he claimed to be extremely conservative but now understood .... really. ???

You just proved my point. Thanks

[The Fake Lonnie Finch]

You do comprehend that less govt doesn't equal no govt correct?

He doesn't. And, he supports presidential candidates who served in the military - if they are Democrats.

[The Fake Lonnie Finch]

LOL at this thread. Health care worked pretty damn well when doctors could charge what people could pay. But no, we HAD to get "regulation" into place so everyone could "afford" health care. That was over 3 decades ago. That didn't work, so now we have OCare. You know--so people can "afford" health care. Yes, the solution is to throw MORE taxpayer money into a system created by the people that screwed it up in the first place. Carry on.

This is exactly it. In 1981, I had a dozen stiches in my ear after being hit with a baseball. My parents' bill for it was around $70.

Flash forward to 2010, my then-four year old son was hit in the ear with a golf club. Six stiches to close the wound. Our bill was over $800.

I understand the value of the dollar is different over a three decade period. But, by a factor of 11 to 12 times?

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[The Fake Lonnie Finch]

Never mind. I found a website to do this equation: http://www.measuringworth.com/uscompare/relativevalue.php

The 1981 dollar would be $2.08 to $4.66 in 2010, depending on several things. Go to the website to see for yourself.

Therefore, my son's ear stich job should have been $145.60 to a worst case scenario of $326.20 purely on what the value of a dollar in 2010 versus 1981.

Somewhere along the line, the medical industry/insurers/plaintiffs attorneys/regulators are adding $473.80 to $654.4 worth of "affordability" to the bill.

[Censored by Laurie]

2010, my then-four year old son was hit in the ear with a golf club.

see, I could see where some form of government intervention wouldn't be too terrible an idea.

[GreenMachine]

see, I could see where some form of government intervention wouldn't be too terrible an idea.

But then it would have cost $1500

[Quoner]

But then it would have cost $1500

Whoosh.

[GreenMachine]

Whoosh.

Is that agree, disagree, or not sure?

[The Fake Lonnie Finch]

Is that agree, disagree, or not sure?

None of the above. It went over his head that CBL implied that I hit my son with a golf club.

[Quoner]

None of the above. It went over his head that CBL implied that I hit my son with a golf club.

This is where we could use that mouseover feature that explains things when you scroll over them that the mods keep talking about.

[Green Mean]

But then it would have cost $1500

I'm not sure. Again I'm no expert but this is why there needs serious reform or overhaul to the healthcare system here. It's time to defeat the healthcare lobbyists. The system we have in place whether it was before or after Obamacare just seems ridiculous and broken to me.

To me having access to good and quality healthcare is not a privilege. In the end it's the consumers that are getting shafted.

[UNT90]

To me having access to good and quality healthcare is not a privilege.

Great soundbite, but what in the hell do you even mean?

If you mean everyone should be gaurunteed health care, I get it. Don't necessarily agree, but get it. I'm assuming that's what you mean when you say "having access."

But how is good and quality health care ever going to be anything but a privelege? How can you promise quality care when it is gaurunteeded?

In countries with national health care systems, the privileged and the politicians come here for quality health care. Why? Because like any other product, you get what you pay for, and they get quality health care here. Just look at the exception for politicians in Obamacare and you will see that they don't believe it will provide "quality care."

If you want to say you want health care for everyone, have at it, but quality health care?

Impossible.