Local schools not recruiting well?

Cooley · February 4, 2014

Since I don't follow the stars and ratings, I can't comment on the rankings (within conferences) of SMU, TCU and UNT.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/college-sports/headlines/20140127-24-hours-until-recruits-put-pen-to-paper-surprises-in-store-for-your-school.ece

PlanoGreen · February 5, 2014

Well it seems most of the classes aren't updated there. Chumley is listed as still considering, Ngalo as well

Harry · February 5, 2014

Looks dated Cooley. As posted before there needs to be a factor to value smaller classes without as many signees.

wardly · February 5, 2014

Is 22 a small class? I don't know, just asking. UTSA with 11 seems small.

PlummMeanGreen · February 5, 2014

Seems to me this "local" school ain't doing too bad in the the area of recruiting:

(from BillySee58's research last week)

"We have 9 current commits who are rated 3-stars by at least one of the four major recruiting websites. Our 3-star commits and what services have them rated as a 3-star:

Branding Garner (ESPN)

Connor Means (ESPN)

Andrew Jones (ESPN)

Trevor Moore (ESPN)

Jalen Adams (ESPN)

Willy Ivery (Scout & Rivals)

Tee Goree (Scout, Rivals and 247

Caleb Chumley (Rivals, 247 & ESPN)

As for "almost" 3 star ratings:

O'Keeron Rutherford has a grade of a 78 on 247 (80 is a 3 star, 70-79 is a 2 star)

Shaq Jackson is a 5.4 on Rivals (need a 5.5 for a 3 star

Josh Greer was just rated a 5.4 on Rivals as well

Also, a few of our 3-stars are very close to being 3 stars on at least one more website.

Fonzale is a 5.4 on Rivals

Garner is a 5.4 on Rivals

Jalen Adams is a 5.4 on Rivals

Andrew Jones is a 78 on 247

Brandon Garner is a 78 on 247

Connor Means is a 78 on 247

Willy Ivery is a 79 on 247

Another reason we shouldn't always put too much stock into stars (I use

offer lists and film ahead of stars) is a guy like Chris Miles, the Flower

Mound offensive lineman. Look at this offer list: This is easily a 3 star

offer list yet he is a 2-star? Very excited to have him and I couldn't

care less that he is not a 3 star. Very valuable commit and smart kid

who will do well on the field and in the classroom."

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Thanks for your research, BillySee58! :goodjob:

GMG!

PS: Did I leave a name off the 3-star list because I think you said "9" 3 stars in your original research.

Edited February 5, 2014 by PlummMeanGreen

emmitt01 · February 5, 2014

Seems to me this "local" school ain't doing too bad in the the area of recruiting:

(from BillySee58's research last week)

"We have 9 current commits who are rated 3-stars by at least one of the four major recruiting websites. Our 3-star commits and what services have them rated as a 3-star:

Branding Garner (ESPN)
Connor Means (ESPN)
Andrew Jones (ESPN)
Trevor Moore (ESPN)
Jalen Adams (ESPN)
Willy Ivery (Scout & Rivals)
Tee Goree (Scout, Rivals and 247
Caleb Chumley (Rivals, 247 & ESPN)

As for "almost" 3 star ratings:

O'Keeron Rutherford has a grade of a 78 on 247 (80 is a 3 star, 70-79 is a 2 star)
Shaq Jackson is a 5.4 on Rivals (need a 5.5 for a 3 star
Josh Greer was just rated a 5.4 on Rivals as well

Also, a few of our 3-stars are very close to being 3 stars on at least one more website.

Fonzale is a 5.4 on Rivals
Garner is a 5.4 on Rivals
Jalen Adams is a 5.4 on Rivals

Andrew Jones is a 78 on 247
Brandon Garner is a 78 on 247
Connor Means is a 78 on 247
Willy Ivery is a 79 on 247

Another reason we shouldn't always put too much stock into stars (I use
offer lists and film ahead of stars) is a guy like Chris Miles, the Flower
Mound offensive lineman. Look at this offer list: This is easily a 3 star
offer list yet he is a 2-star? Very excited to have him and I couldn't
care less that he is not a 3 star. Very valuable commit and smart kid
who will do well on the field and in the classroom."
________________________________

Thanks for your research, BillySee58!
GMG!

PS: Did I leave a name off the 3-star list because I think you said "9" 3 stars in your original research.

So stars DO mean something this year? It's hard to keep up.

DeepGreen · February 5, 2014

So stars DO mean something this year? It's hard to keep up.

Only when it's in our favor.

BillySee58 · February 5, 2014

Only when it's in our favor.

Exactly. But in all honesty, it's just a frame of reference. Especially after they finish their college football careers.

The more important thing is a player's offer list (who you beat out and who wanted him at some point), his highlight tape, and production. We have players who have some pretty sweet offer lists, great highlight tape, and absolutely dominated on the high school level like you would hope to see from your signees.

DeepGreen · February 5, 2014

What time does all this start this AM? And where can I follow the sign ups- free?

NT03 · February 5, 2014

UTSA just flipped a long time SMU commit in Nate Gaines. #BirdsUp
— Javi (@BirdsUpJavi)
February 5, 2014

Looks like UTSA got a SMU flip

glick1980 · February 5, 2014

https://twitter.com/insideutsajavi/status/431067067886731264
Looks like UTSA got a SMU flip

That's funny, SMU considered him one of their beat recruits.

MeanGreenTexan · February 5, 2014

There are some 2* guys that I'm just as excited about as the 3* guys. Miles & Davis come immediately to mind.

Mean Green 93-98 · February 5, 2014

There are some 2* guys that I'm just as excited about as the 3* guys. Miles & Davis come immediately to mind.

MeanGreenTexan · February 5, 2014

He's probably the reason I put them in this order subconsciously :lol:

mad dog · February 5, 2014

It's nice to have extra stars, but it ultimately does not determine the sucess or failure of classes. Whenever I've gotten the chance to speak with coaches and scouts, they pretty much all agree that you have 100 or so bonified five-star "can't miss" prospects, and then everyone else is slotted according to who is recruiting them. That's why the ratings for 2-4 star players fluctuate all the time - when the big boys are recruiting them, it is assumed that they've got something in the bag.

That's not to say that stars are meaningless - if other people believe that they have value, then it can't hurt to have perception (and positive PR) on your side.

PlanoGreen · February 5, 2014

https://twitter.com/insideutsajavi/status/431067067886731264
Looks like UTSA got a SMU flip

seems like smu replaced him with courtland sutton, a guy that I saw film from over the summer. Based on his offer list, he's an upgrade from Gaines

UNTexas · February 6, 2014

That's funny, SMU considered him one of their beat recruits.

I must say anyone who turns down SMU for UTSA doesn't value their education or future past football. Moronic. I'm not saying SMU is the best school ever but good lord I would have made that decision for my kid.