Wayland Baptist (12/21/13)

[UNTLifer]

And you don't feel the least bit of embarrassment over how poorly we have played? This is beyond ridiculous. I have gone from listening to every game to not really caring. Apathy is worse than being pissed off, and I am apathetic because it does me no good to get mad about the situation. Benford is a poor coach, period.

[GMG24]

Andrew, your immense basketball knowledge makes me want to never post on this board. However, I will say two things. 1. It is LOSS NOT LOSE

2. http://www.burntorangenation.com/2013/11/15/5103222/texas-basketball-preview-get-to-know-the-stephen-f-austin-lumberjacks

This "mediocre team" went to the NIT last year after losing the conference championship. They would have beat the best JJ teams this is a squad who is no joke. If they make the tournament this year you better believe if the match up is right I am picking them no matter the seed.

[UNTFan23]

And they will roll us.

I'm expecting a double digit loss at this point. I would be shocked if we were to win this game.

[Andrew]

Andrew, your immense basketball knowledge makes me want to never post on this board. However, I will say two things. 1. It is LOSS NOT LOSE

2. http://www.burntorangenation.com/2013/11/15/5103222/texas-basketball-preview-get-to-know-the-stephen-f-austin-lumberjacks

This "mediocre team" went to the NIT last year after losing the conference championship. They would have beat the best JJ teams this is a squad who is no joke. If they make the tournament this year you better believe if the match up is right I am picking them no matter the seed.

I knew SFA was a good team. I originally had it chalked up as a win but changed my mind as the game got closer. Did you not read? SFA is better then A&M and Oklahoma. I also said that. Did you not read?

Also might I ask where I said lose instead of lose? I am sure I miss type things but when looking for this to edit it I could not find it. I used lose when referring to a game we had not played. Because I said we should not lose it. Because we have not played the game. That post is up above and referring to the up and coming game against UCRV. The world loss I also used. Loss is past tense which is why I used the word when referring to our SFA game. Because it was in the past so I said I had chalked it up as a loss. Lose can be present or future tense. I used it as future tense. I am sure there are other ways of using these words but I used them correctly. At least in the post just above. I could be wrong but I thought I used them correctly.

Edited December 24, 2013 by Andrew

[UNT90]

Most active basketball forum poster in the JJ era was The Tasty Greek.

Most active basketball forum poster in the Benford era is Skiver/Andrew.

Just another sign of how far this program and forum has fallen

Edited December 24, 2013 by UNT90

[TheTastyGreek]

Most active basketball forum poster in the JJ era was The Tasty Greek.

CMJ and CBL were strong contenders. I don't know that I was the clear leader in activity.

[Andrew]

Most active basketball forum poster in the JJ era was The Tasty Greek.

Most active basketball forum poster in the Benford era is Skiver/Andrew.

Just a sign of how far this program and forum has fallen

I only posted at the end of the JJ era. I was not around when it started so I could not post then. I then stopped posting near the end for a different reason. I feel comfortable posting during the. Benford era because I am not as close to some people who know information. Let's just see what happens in these next two games. Almost anything can be an improvement from last year but there is not a lot of options right now. We will ride it out and hopefully a wise decision will be made at the end of the season.

[CMJ]

CMJ and CBL were strong contenders. I don't know that I was the clear leader in activity.

You were the leader in comedy and statistical analysis. CBL was the best in general basketball knowledge and more "eye ball test" sort of stuff. NT03 was our best at getting top secret info on the program that circulated among us basketball heads.

Together yall were all awesome.

I just was a big cheerleader, and fan of college basketball, who wasn't completely over the top. If I had a lead in overall postings, it was because I ran the game and conference race threads. That's it.

Edited December 24, 2013 by CMJ

[Censored by Laurie]

I'm expecting a double digit loss at this point. I would be shocked if we were to win this game.

Honestly, I think we lose to Cal State Whatever...then play A&M close and Andrew and the like come back on here and laud how well we played a Big 12 team and how Conference USA is wide open and we might finish .500 in conference.

And you don't feel the least bit of embarrassment over how poorly we have played? This is beyond ridiculous. I have gone from listening to every game to not really caring. Apathy is worse than being pissed off, and I am apathetic because it does me no good to get mad about the situation. Benford is a poor coach, period.

While in school, I attended about 90% of home men's games. I helped found the Pit Crew. After leaving Denton for Dallas, I manipulated my work schedule to allow me to get to Denton for most men's games. I pushed back my start date for my Connecticut job in '07 to make sure I could attend the tournament game in New Orleans. When I left Texas, I bought the MGPremium feed in it's true infancy and watched sketchy and buffering feeds of nearly every game...often making a fool of myself by cheering in some local coffee shop or bar with wifi b/c I didn't have internet my first few years up here. About 5 years ago I boarded a plane at 6am on an icy March morning...after 3 connections, 2 delayed flights, a night spent on the Atlanta airport floor and lost luggage, I arrived in Mobile, Alabama about 45 minutes before the tip of the first game of the Sun Belt tournament. I wrote about college basketball...kept a correspondence with a number of Sun Belt school beat writers...I could probably go man-for-man down the rosters of every SBC school from about 2003-2010 and tell you a little something about each player and what he brings to the floor...I had a poor and short-lived podcast with abother avid basketball guy from 1500 miles via Skype.

I've forgotten about more games than I've watched/listened to this season.

[BillySee58]

I knew SFA was a good team. I originally had it chalked up as a win but changed my mind as the game got closer. Did you not read? SFA is better then A&M and Oklahoma. I also said that. Did you not read?

The record is not the problem. Having the wins and losses chalked up like you had is not the problem. You have to read between the lines of the games.

Losing to SFA wasn't the problem. Losing by almost 40 at home was the problem. Don't care what they did last year. They're a good team, but not talented enough to be beating us by almost 40 at our place.

Beating Portland wasn't the problem. Losing 2 games to Idaho and Columbia, and needing a tremendous TJ Taylor performance and overtime to win 1 game, not to mention having a big leg up athletically on all 3 of those teams, that tournament should've been all ours.

Losing to BYU wasn't a big deal. Being down 40 late in the game with no semblance of an offense was. That top 20 team that you proclaimed BYU will be; they're 8-5 and give up tons of points. They're good and have played a pretty tough schedule this far, but that was not Duke or Arizona that was beating us by 40.

Finally, getting wins against Wayland Baptist and Northwood at home was not the problem. Being down in both of those games and having each team try a game-tying 3 pointer in the last minute of the game is the problem.

7-5 looks cool and all. But the way we got there... And yes Kram, I do support the team and go to the games that I can. Was not able to make the Wayland game due to working heavy hours over the Christmas break between 3 jobs. Not trying to give you a boo-hoo excuse, just letting you know that not being there doesn't mean that game was excusable.

[Censored by Laurie]

The record is not the problem. Having the wins and losses chalked up like you had is not the problem. You have to read between the lines of the games.

Losing to SFA wasn't the problem. Losing by almost 40 at home was the problem. Don't care what they did last year. They're a good team, but not talented enough to be beating us by almost 40 at our place.

Beating Portland wasn't the problem. Losing 2 games to Idaho and Columbia, and needing a tremendous TJ Taylor performance and overtime to win 1 game, not to mention having a big leg up athletically on all 3 of those teams, that tournament should've been all ours.

Losing to BYU wasn't a big deal. Being down 40 late in the game with no semblance of an offense was. That top 20 team that you proclaimed BYU will be; they're 8-5 and give up tons of points. They're good and have played a pretty tough schedule this far, but that was not Duke or Arizona that was beating us by 40.

Finally, getting wins against Wayland Baptist and Northwood at home was not the problem. Being down in both of those games and having each team try a game-tying 3 pointer in the last minute of the game is the problem.

7-5 looks cool and all. But the way we got there... And yes Kram, I do support the team and go to the games that I can. Was not able to make the Wayland game due to working heavy hours over the Christmas break between 3 jobs. Not trying to give you a boo-hoo excuse, just letting you know that not being there doesn't mean that game was excusable.

There is not a thing any reasonable or sane person could refute here.

Refutations in 3, 2, 1...

[Andrew]

The record is not the problem. Having the wins and losses chalked up like you had is not the problem. You have to read between the lines of the games.

Losing to SFA wasn't the problem. Losing by almost 40 at home was the problem. Don't care what they did last year. They're a good team, but not talented enough to be beating us by almost 40 at our place.

Beating Portland wasn't the problem. Losing 2 games to Idaho and Columbia, and needing a tremendous TJ Taylor performance and overtime to win 1 game, not to mention having a big leg up athletically on all 3 of those teams, that tournament should've been all ours.

Losing to BYU wasn't a big deal. Being down 40 late in the game with no semblance of an offense was. That top 20 team that you proclaimed BYU will be; they're 8-5 and give up tons of points. They're good and have played a pretty tough schedule this far, but that was not Duke or Arizona that was beating us by 40.

Finally, getting wins against Wayland Baptist and Northwood at home was not the problem. Being down in both of those games and having each team try a game-tying 3 pointer in the last minute of the game is the problem.

7-5 looks cool and all. But the way we got there... And yes Kram, I do support the team and go to the games that I can. Was not able to make the Wayland game due to working heavy hours over the Christmas break between 3 jobs. Not trying to give you a boo-hoo excuse, just letting you know that not being there doesn't mean that game was excusable.

I agree losing by 40 was a huge problem. In the long run if we turn things around the loss will seem just like another loss. If we finish the season with only 10 or 12 wins then the loss looks way worse. Some people may not see it that way, but that is how I see it. I am unimpressed with the way we have won games and with the way we have lost games. I do however have faith we will turn it around and those wins and losses will only be numbers at the end of the season. We agree with the wins and losses and how unimpressive they are. I am banking on this team tuning it around. I very well could be wrong but I see a lot of potential in everyone. Players and coaches. I hope I am right.

Edit: for the above comment. I am not disagreeing with what was said. I am just being optimistic. I try to take the season a game at a time and then make a decision. A win or loss to A&M will do little for my opinion. A win against UCRV will also do little. A loss to UCRV will sway my decision.

Edited December 24, 2013 by Andrew

[GangGreen]

Also might I ask where I said lose instead of lose?

Pure gold.

[GangGreen]

CBL used to have some pretty sweet breakdowns of every team in the league.

[UNT90]

CMJ and CBL were strong contenders. I don't know that I was the clear leader in activity.

There you go again proving my point.

[oldguystudent]

There is no such school as Cal St. Riverside. Calling them that is akin to calling us North Texas A&M State.

[Green Lantern]

You were the leader in comedy and statistical analysis. CBL was the best in general basketball knowledge and more "eye ball test" sort of stuff. NT03 was our best at getting top secret info on the program that circulated among us basketball heads.

Together yall were all awesome.

I just was a big cheerleader, and fan of college basketball, who wasn't completely over the top. If I had a lead in overall postings, it was because I ran the game and conference race threads. That's it.

I miss those days.

[CMJ]

I miss those days.

Same here.

[GMG24]

Seems someone is mad because they are going to lose a bet... I would have thrown a couple thousands dollars down on getting 12-15 wins. A win is a win. Nothing has happened this season that is really a surprise minus the loss against Columbia. To me the win against Portland negates that lose. I would have also liked to have lost by less to SFA and BYU. I also would have liked to beat many teams by 20. But our record is what most people thought. I had us going 8-4 at this point with losses to BYU, SFA, Oklahoma, and Portland. Being one game behind expectations is not all bad. If we were 8-4 there would be zero room for complaints.

Going into Conference play I thought we would be 9-5 with a lose to Texas A&M. At this point I see that game as a possible win so 9-5 is still a good possibility!

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No more words from me, you know to much basketball for me to discuss on the same board. Have a merry Christmas!

[Censored by Laurie]

You guys remember when a couple of surly old posters started up their own board because they were sick of us? The good old days of fun.

Fun is dead.

Benford killed fun.

Long live fun.

[CMJ]

You guys remember when a couple of surly old posters started up their own board because they were sick of us? The good old days of fun.

Fun is dead.

Benford killed fun.

Long live fun.

The same guys who didn't think JJ could coach worth a damn and would never get hired away somewhere else, right?

Edited December 24, 2013 by CMJ

[Green Lantern]

You guys remember when a couple of surly old posters started up their own board because they were sick of us? The good old days of fun.

Fun is dead.

Benford killed fun.

Long live fun.

I miss fun and quality basketball discussions. This forum used to provide both in spades.

[Green92]

The fun is gone. I try to be positive, but this team is not good. There doesn’t seem to be a logical explanation except for coaching. I think everyone kept thinking that things would start to click and fall into place. So far it hasn’t. I miss JJ and trying to protect a 2-0 lead for 39 minutes and 50 seconds.

[UNT90]

The fun is gone. I try to be positive, but this team is not good. There doesnt seem to be a logical explanation except for coaching. I think everyone kept thinking that things would start to click and fall into place. So far it hasnt. I miss JJ and trying to protect a 2-0 lead for 39 minutes and 50 seconds.

You can console yourself in the fact that we now have football JJ. ;-)

Edited December 24, 2013 by UNT90

[Green92]

You can console yourself in the fact that we now have football JJ. ;-)

Yes!! :-)