Fracking Next to Apogee?

[untjim1995]

They took down the well. But fracking is the sole cause for all the recent earthquakes in the area and downgrade in Denton water, but this is another argument for another time.

Where did you read that? What source?

[Cerebus]

Where did you read that? What source?

You find it right next to sources that claim vaccines cause autism.

[PlummMeanGreen]

It's hard to have a serious conversation when the link in OP's thread is slanted click-bait material, but let me ask you all something simpler:

Who would be comfortable with this in their backyard?

This is the Vintage neighborhood just south of Apogee down Bonnie Brae.

They built it inside someone's living room? DAMN! Friggin' frackin'!

Seriously, when does the gas well come down near Apogee so we can do a bit more landscaping...No doubt it is an eye-sore in a place where there doesn't need to be an eye-sore.

GMG!

Edited December 4, 2013 by PlummMeanGreen

[MeanMag]

You find it right next to sources that claim vaccines cause autism.

Not just a cause, THE sole cause.

[UNT90]

Any proof that it is the cause of the earthquakes? I would love to read that research.

He said it, so it is?

[NewUNTFan8]

Seriously, when does the gas well come down near Apogee

GMG!

[Rudy]

You know, I've done security at these gas wells for over 5 years now. I've missed more UNT home games than witnessed earthquakes. 2 games, 0 earthquakes.

[meangreener]

Did everyone miss the link linking fracking to earthquakes IN THE SAME THREAD on the FIRST page?

Good lord.

Edited December 4, 2013 by meangreener

[meangreener]

http://www.usgs.gov/blogs/features/usgs_top_story/man-made-earthquakes/

Seems like the earthquakes are caused less by drilling and more by the disposal of the wastewater. Either way, the evidence seems to show that the earthquakes happen more often in places where fracking is done, especially when a ground fault is nearby.

What I am sure of is that the fracking wells are noisy, smell terrible, and they're a pretty serious eyesore in the middle of the towns I've seen them in.

Quoted for stupid people.

[Army of Dad]

Did everyone miss the link linking fracking to earthquakes IN THE SAME THREAD on the FIRST page?

Good lord.

Are you trying to Plumm that post? If so, needs more colors and that is waaaay too short.

If ALL CAPS on some words is your thing then carry on.

[UNTLifer]

http://www.usgs.gov/blogs/features/usgs_top_story/man-made-earthquakes/

Seems like the earthquakes are caused less by drilling and more by the disposal of the wastewater. Either way, the evidence seems to show that the earthquakes happen more often in places where fracking is done, especially when a ground fault is nearby.

What I am sure of is that the fracking wells are noisy, smell terrible, and they're a pretty serious eyesore in the middle of the towns I've seen them in.

That article doesn't really prove anything. For instance, the article states:

"USGS scientists have found that at some locations the increase in seismicity coincides with the injection of wastewater in deep disposal wells."

But then says:

"When wastewater disposal takes place near faults, and underground conditions are right, earthquakes may be more likely to occur, Ellsworth’s research showed.

and

"While the disposal process has the potential to trigger earthquakes, not every wastewater disposal well produces earthquakes. In fact, very few of the more than 30,000 wells designed for this purpose appear to cause earthquakes.

Still would love to see the research that states fracking is the "sole cause" of the earthquakes.

[UNTLifer]

Did everyone miss the link linking fracking to earthquakes IN THE SAME THREAD on the FIRST page?

Good lord.

Did you read that article?

[meangreener]

Did you read that article?

Yeah. It says that they are more likely to occur because of the waste water. That's only one of many articles linking it.

https://ntdaily.com/earthquakes-could-be-linked-to-fracking-scientists-say/

[forevereagle]

Yeah. It says that they are more likely to occur because of the waste water. That's only one of many articles linking it.

https://ntdaily.com/earthquakes-could-be-linked-to-fracking-scientists-say/

NT Daily is a reputable source for scientific news?

[meangreener]

NT Daily is a reputable source for scientific news?

Distinguished North Texas professors are. Guess if you can't win arguments you default.

Edited December 4, 2013 by meangreener

[meangreendork]

That article doesn't really prove anything. For instance, the article states:

"USGS scientists have found that at some locations the increase in seismicity coincides with the injection of wastewater in deep disposal wells."

But then says:

"When wastewater disposal takes place near faults, and underground conditions are right, earthquakes may be more likely to occur, Ellsworth’s research showed.

and

"While the disposal process has the potential to trigger earthquakes, not every wastewater disposal well produces earthquakes. In fact, very few of the more than 30,000 wells designed for this purpose appear to cause earthquakes.

Still would love to see the research that states fracking is the "sole cause" of the earthquakes.

That's the kicker - the research is incomplete for two reasons - the first is that fracking is relatively new and that recording of data from the sites could stand to be a lot better by both the companies and whomever is in charge of regulating it. So I'm in the boat of getting more data and trying to play it safe until we know for sure. Personally, I could see how fracking/fracking wastewater procedures could cause earthquakes but the info isn't all there just yet. I mean, I'm concerned since buildings in Texas aren't at all built for earthquakes, but that's not nearly as worrisome to me as air and water quality when fracking isn't done properly.

Edited December 4, 2013 by meangreendork

[meangreener]

Exactly. You also get air and water pollution. It's also ugly and smells terrible.

[UNTLifer]

Yeah. It says that they are more likely to occur because of the waste water. That's only one of many articles linking it.

https://ntdaily.com/earthquakes-could-be-linked-to-fracking-scientists-say/

Yeah, did you see the quotes I pulled from that article? Primarily, the quotes in bold?

Now you post an article from the NT Daily about earthquakes in central OKLAHOMA when your initial claim was that fracking was the sole reason for the quakes around North Texas. Read the second comment in the daily article.

I just see lot's of could's and may's but no, "this is the sole cause."

Edited December 4, 2013 by UNTLifer

[meangreener]

Yeah, did you see the quotes I pulled from that article? Primarily, the quotes in bold?

So do you just quote what pertains to your argument?

They haven't studied earthquakes or fracking long enough...but it appears that there may be a correlation.

That's enough for me to believe it. Do you think global warming is a lie because it may be linked to emissions, too?

[PlummMeanGreen]

Are you trying to Plumm that post? If so, needs more colors and that is waaaay too short.

If ALL CAPS on some words is your thing then carry on.

Another campus study said that those of us under 6 feet tall tend to use CAPITAL LETTERS MORE THAN THOSE OVER 6 FEET TALL!

Carry on...

[MeanMag]

Exactly. You also get air and water pollution. It's also ugly and smells terrible.

This is why I'm not a fan of it . And compressor station noise pollution.

[Mean Green 93-98]

So do you just quote what pertains to your argument?

They haven't studied earthquakes or fracking long enough...but it appears that there may be a correlation.

That's enough for me to believe it. Do you think global warming is a lie because it may be linked to emissions, too?

If you're going to believe everything that "may" be true, you've caught yourself in a hopeless contradiction.

[Green P1]

PREPARE TO BE HORRIFIED!!!!

Edited December 4, 2013 by Green P1

[Quoner]

If you're going to believe everything that "may" be true, you've caught yourself in a hopeless contradiction.

Suck it, Pascal's Wager.

[PlummMeanGreen]

I was looking for a UFO....did I miss it? Or something else here?

How soon can all this be capped so they can move on?