Clock Mgmt Rules

[Dr. Seuss]

Does anyone actually know the rules for what happened on the second to last play. We spiked the ball with 15 sec left, they were offsides. We accepted the penalty and the clock continued to run off. I was under the impression that the clock would of stopped.

I was told the clock would of stopped if we would of declined the penalty. Can anyone conform that this is true?

The clock mgmt for the game was awful, multiple times the clock was running and should of stopped.

[Texas Stranger]

if the penalty is accepted, the play (spike) never happened. Thus, the clock still runs on the ready after enforcement, as it was doing before the play. Declining the penalty would have let the play stand (spike/incompletion), stopping the clock.

[untcampbell]

We gave up as many seconds as the refs did, and neither should happen.

It is a consistent coaching philosophy of this staff to give up seconds on the clock, whether at the end of the half or at the end of the quarter. We let time run off at the end of the third quarter when it seemed like we could have run a play.

Really didn't appear to have a sense of urgency (or purpose) until late in the game

GMG

Edited November 25, 2013 by untcampbell

[eulessismore]

if the penalty is accepted, the play (spike) never happened. Thus, the clock still runs on the ready after enforcement, as it was doing before the play. Declining the penalty would have let the play stand (spike/incompletion), stopping the clock.

Well, if this is true, and I have no reason to doubt it, we were foolish to accept the penalty, and this indicates failure in clock management at our highest coaching level, not to mention calling a time out late in the game after having several precious seconds run off the clock. The whole clock management thing makes me wonder if the coaches, like me, were thinking something like, "man, I can't believe we could still possibly tie this game after the way we've played for 58 minutes, maybe we should start using our time outs".

[Mean Green Matt]

Derek Thompson went and talked to the ref right after that offside call presumably to check clock status. Why would they be so nonchalant if they were told the clock would be moving. I'm not suggesting a conspiracy but maybe that the ref made a mistake in his communication to DT.

[keith]

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I'm not suggesting a conspiracy but maybe that the ref made a mistake in his communication to DT.

I heard the ref has ties to SMU.

... Just to make sure....I'm kidding.

Edited November 25, 2013 by keith

[BillySee58]

Derek Thompson went and talked to the ref right after that offside call presumably to check clock status. Why would they be so nonchalant if they were told the clock would be moving. I'm not suggesting a conspiracy but maybe that the ref made a mistake in his communication to DT.

That's what I'm wondering too. I understand the rule and all, but the explanation by the ref is what has me confused. Did he explain it wrong to DT?

[Quoner]

We gave up as many seconds as the refs did, and neither should happen.

It is a consistent coaching philosophy of this staff to give up seconds on the clock, whether at the end of the half or at the end of the quarter. We let time run off at the end of the third quarter when it seemed like we could have run a play.

Really didn't appear to have a sense of urgency (or purpose) until late in the game

GMG

The third quarter decision was jaw-dropping to me. We had them on the ropes and gassed on a pretty good drive, then sat on the last 30 seconds only to move down to their end of the stadium. Now, there is no guarantee if we go up and run the play in the third we score, but instead, we flipped sides, let them catch their breath and adjust and then farted and fell our way to a FG at the 13:35 mark of the fourth quarter. Even if we got stuffed and ran another play with the same result after the quarter change, we have another 40 seconds or so at the end.

I know this is all extra-reinforced with hindsight, but we were scratching our heads in the stands for sure.

[Mean Green Matt]

The third quarter decision was jaw-dropping to me. We had them on the ropes and gassed on a pretty good drive, then sat on the last 30 seconds only to move down to their end of the stadium. Now, there is no guarantee if we go up and run the play in the third we score, but instead, we flipped sides, let them catch their breath and adjust and then farted and fell our way to a FG at the 13:35 mark of the fourth quarter. Even if we got stuffed and ran another play with the same result after the quarter change, we have another 40 seconds or so at the end.

I know this is all extra-reinforced with hindsight, but we were scratching our heads in the stands for sure.

It was a little surprising. I was thinking it may have had something to do with switching wind so we didn't have to kick off into it...it was probably just a coaching oversight though. Just like on the last UTSA drive when Mac called TO on first down after a penalty when the play clock was restarted at 25 (he even waited about 5 seconds into it to call the TO)...instead of letting those 25 seconds run off, he wasted a TO and let 40 seconds run off after the third down play. Think those 15 seconds might have been important?

Edited November 25, 2013 by Mean Green Matt

[FireFightnJoey]

if the penalty is accepted, the play (spike) never happened. Thus, the clock still runs on the ready after enforcement, as it was doing before the play. Declining the penalty would have let the play stand (spike/incompletion), stopping the clock.

So, I'm confused. The clock does not stop after an offsides penalty? I thought it stopped for all defensive penalties.

[Cerebus]

The third quarter decision was jaw-dropping to me.

It was a bad decision. We decided to move over NEXT to their fan section, where a false start made us kick a FG.

/bangsheadonwall

[meaniegreenie]

There was also the play where they had a false start after running the play clock down. On reset, they got to run another 25 secs off. That seems odd since the offense could continue to do this and run minutes off the clock by just having false starts. Like the other penalty, I guess it only stops the clock if it's declined.

[jredallas]

There was also the play where they had a false start after running the play clock down. On reset, they got to run another 25 secs off. That seems odd since the offense could continue to do this and run minutes off the clock by just having false starts. Like the other penalty, I guess it only stops the clock if it's declined.

Yeah, and I think that was after a North Texas timeout as well, was it not? If so, it basically became a wasted timeout that was used on defense by no fault of UNT other than accepting the penalty. Can you decline a pre-snap penalty anyway?