Infographic

andrewrozell · November 15, 2013

Benford's team passes the "eye-ball" test for me, so I decided to look at the stats.

Plus, who doesn't love an infographic!?

Edited November 15, 2013 by andrewrozell

forevereagle · November 15, 2013

On 11/15/2013 at 5:31 PM, andrewrozell said:

Plus, who doesn't love an infographic!?

I don't. They are usually heavy on the latter and light on the former.

Harry · November 15, 2013

Very interesting. Thanks for posting.

forevereagle · November 15, 2013

Plus, these are interesting offensive stats, but what about our opponents? How did we do defensively?

Also, very convenient to remove Tristan from the average to better reflect the "team" average. The offense used Tristan that season as a shooter. I don't think that it is fair to exclude him and exclude Clarke. Both participated in the team. Benford and JJ both allowed those shooters to take the number of shots that they did. Seems revisionist to remove them.

andrewrozell · November 15, 2013

Good point, if you add back Thompson and Overlander, only the 3P% changes and it is: 33% - 29%. 4% is significant, however I thought the numbers, minus outliers allowed a better look at overall team performance. And to be fair, the increase in turnovers would minimize any point advantage from the three-ball.

To expand. If the 2012 team would have shot +4% better of three takens, the team would have scored an additional 54 points for the season. However, the 2009 team had 41 more turnovers that 2012 team. This difference in additional made 3's is washed away by the turnover margin (conservatively worth 41x1.5=61 points).

Edited November 15, 2013 by andrewrozell

andrewrozell · November 15, 2013

On 11/15/2013 at 5:43 PM, forevereagle said:

Plus, these are interesting offensive stats, but what about our opponents? How did we do defensively?

Sports-References uses a DRtg system:

DRtg 2012: 26th of 344

DRtg 2009: 151st of 347

MeanGreenTexan · November 15, 2013

What will be interesting to see when you look at some of those JJ career avg #'s VS Benford's 1yr #'s will be how much the rebounds and blocks (especially blocks) shrink from last year to this year due to the lack of one singular player. A guy he had for his entire 1yr stats and JJ had for 1/2 of a year on his 11yr avg. I love me some George, Q, & Davis, but those guys were not boarding and blocking like Tony. George was putting up monster numbers on the boards. I think he and Tony averaged about the same.

andrewrozell · November 15, 2013

I completely agree MeanGreenTexan, having more numbers on Benford will certainly help paint an even clearer picture.

Mean Green 93-98 · November 15, 2013

Todd Dodge's teams might blow away Coach Mac's teams if only comparing select stats. Good coaches can win even when statistically outmatched.

Tree · November 15, 2013

Wow, great graphic! I heart Infographics. (And I also heart Denton) Thanks for posting.

Censored by Laurie · November 15, 2013

On 11/15/2013 at 6:10 PM, Mean Green 93-98 said:

Todd Dodge's teams might blow away Coach Mac's teams if only comparing select stats. Good coaches can win even when statistically outmatched.

So pass attempts don't equal wins?

emmitt01 · November 15, 2013

12-20

I'm not sure how to put that in an infographic but it seems pretty illustrative on its own.

Green P1 · November 15, 2013

I knew Benny was better than JJ all along.

greenminer · November 15, 2013

What I take from this:

Be better at Assists, and we will make it to the Tourney.

CMJ · November 15, 2013

I remain unconvinced. At the end of the day W's and L's are all that matters. JJ's last season here was 18-14, which was a disappointment. Most of us felt that way at the time. However, given the fact that the core nucleus only played together about six games, the meshing of the spare parts squad at years end, just about everyone (not just us...remember the press?) had us slated for a breakout year last season.

Would that have happened under Jones? It's hard to say...hypotheticals can be done all day. Let's just say, I don't believe we would have tanked to 12 wins.

UNTFan23 · November 15, 2013

On 11/15/2013 at 5:31 PM, andrewrozell said:

Benford's team passes the "eye-ball" test for me, so I decided to look at the stats.

Plus, who doesn't love an infographic!?

I didn't make this but it seems to drive home forevereagle's point:

andrewrozell · November 15, 2013

On 11/15/2013 at 7:02 PM, CMJ said:

I remain unconvinced. At the end of the day W's and L's are all that matters.

wasn't thinking i would convince, that job is solely on Benford's shoulders. i am merely trying to highlight that, statistically, benford's first year was not significantly different than what Jones was bringing.

Mean Green 93-98 · November 15, 2013

On 11/15/2013 at 7:38 PM, andrewrozell said:

wasn't thinking i would convince, that job is solely on Benford's shoulders. i am merely trying to highlight that, statistically, benford's first year was not significantly different than what Jones was bringing.

And to me, that's a sign for concern rather than optimism when Benford couldn't translate that kind of player performance into Ws.

andrewrozell · November 15, 2013

On 11/15/2013 at 7:40 PM, Mean Green 93-98 said:

And to me, that's a sign for concern rather than optimism when Benford couldn't translate that kind of player performance into Ws.

to me that is a sign that competition is higher and though we are statistically better, the level we need to be at is higher.

CMJ · November 15, 2013

On 11/15/2013 at 7:54 PM, andrewrozell said:

to me that is a sign that competition is higher and though we are statistically better, the level we need to be at is higher.

We lost to Alabama-Huntsville. Higher competition doesn't matter when you lose to D2 teams.

andrewrozell · November 15, 2013

yeah, i remember that game. it was benford's second game here and he had yet to figure out what Mitchell was all about. (answer: himself)

EDIT: UAH was 25-6 last year.

Edited November 15, 2013 by andrewrozell

Censored by Laurie · November 15, 2013

On 11/15/2013 at 8:00 PM, andrewrozell said:

yeah, i remember that game. it was benford's second game here and he had yet to figure out what Mitchell was all about. (answer: himself)

forevereagle · November 15, 2013

On 11/15/2013 at 8:00 PM, andrewrozell said:

yeah, i remember that game. it was benford's second game here and he had yet to figure out what Mitchell was all about. (answer: himself)

Really? Is it possible that the Benford had yet to figure out...anything?

On 11/15/2013 at 8:00 PM, andrewrozell said:

EDIT: UAH was 25-6 last year.

So we lost to a good lower division team. We still should have won that game. There is no excuse for that loss.

CMJ · November 15, 2013

Mitchell never had an issue with JJ. If he were really all about himself, he never would have come back for a 2nd season at NT. Hell, he probably would have played overseas to begin with after he couldn't go to Mizzou.

If we played the Division 2 national Champion -- you would expect to win that, correct? Especially a team that had Sweet 16 potential...ACCORDING TO THEIR OWN COACH?!