Mac Extension...?

PlummMeanGreen · October 21, 2013

Some older alums would remember when Tom Landry and his staff,circa 1965, thought they were going to get fired and how D.C. owner Clint Murchison showed them by giving Landry a new 10 year contract. Seems that paid off for the Cowboys and would be the very vehicle which would allow Tom Landry to have an NFL Hall of Fame coaching career. Had they fired him--Landry may have gone back home to Mission, Texas, and sold insurance.

If Coach Mac had not done what he pulled off at Iowa State (a Kansas State 2.0 kind of football program before Bill Snyder), I would not be as enthusiastic as to say............give the man a contract extension now.

Just some things in life you just have to have a 6'th sense about as to discern.

GMG!

Think Halloween Night At Apogee Stadium!

GMG!

Edited October 21, 2013 by PlummMeanGreen

VideoEagle · October 21, 2013

Coaches should be evaluated after the season. First, there are too many emotional ups and downs during the season. Second, during the season you see an in complete set of results. That said, I don't have a problem doing an extension between the last regular season game and a post Christmas Bowl game.

Going to a rolling five year contract appears to be the standard these days. Thus any recruit knows the coach has a contract that will last through the player's career.

ParksAndRecRick · October 21, 2013

Emmitt,

I will remember your comments when Coach Mac leaves with a better offer. We have one of the few people in America turned around the worst Division I Football Team in a mere 3 years. But, of course at UN T, we always believe that is better out there. Guys, we love UNT, but there are bigger jobs. But, I would expect none would have been harder than turning around this program.

Someday you will look back and truly understand what you had.....and you lost.

Totallly respect your support and love for UNT E! We just disagree on this one.....

ParksAndRecRick

greenit · October 21, 2013

7-5 is definitely a disappointment.

Really? Should we go back and dig up pre season predictions?

untbowler · October 21, 2013

Emmitt,

I will remember your comments when Coach Mac leaves with a better offer. We have one of the few people in America turned around the worst Division I Football Team in a mere 3 years. But, of course at UN T, we always believe that is better out there. Guys, we love UNT, but there are bigger jobs. But, I would expect none would have been harder than turning around this program.

Someday you will look back and truly understand what you had.....and you lost.

Totallly respect your support and love for UNT E! We just disagree on this one.....

ParksAndRecRick

DMac is going no where regardless of W-L

SSP · October 21, 2013

Really? Should we go back and dig up pre season predictions?

HA! Please do. It would be beyond interesting.

So many people on here who want to smugly smile and say "See? I told you so!". It seems to me that that SOME act almost disappointed when they have to admit that they may have been wrong about the improved North Texas football team. So, they find something else that they can aim frustrations and ill feelings towards (Well.. But... "whatever" still sucks). A little sad to me.

Edited October 21, 2013 by SSP

SSP · October 21, 2013

DMac is going no where regardless of W-L

When did he tell you that?

meangreener · October 21, 2013

Emmitt,

I will remember your comments when Coach Mac leaves with a better offer. We have one of the few people in America turned around the worst Division I Football Team in a mere 3 years. But, of course at UN T, we always believe that is better out there. Guys, we love UNT, but there are bigger jobs. But, I would expect none would have been harder than turning around this program.

Someday you will look back and truly understand what you had.....and you lost.

Totallly respect your support and love for UNT E! We just disagree on this one.....

ParksAndRecRick

No, Mac has a nice house, is settled here, has his whole family involved in UNT, and is at the age where the only way he'd leave NT is if he retired. This is his last stop. Many schools will be nervous anyway with his health problems and his overall record (which doesn't tell the story at all, rebuilding schools has this affect) but because his teams are old school, as well. We'll pony up the big bucks if this season turns out well and he'll be here for a while. I love that he has brought the Mean back but most schools won't. Makes it harder to recruit, we've seen that first hand. Unless Iowa comes knocking or a top tier SEC school, he's going nowhere. He's an old guy, of the old mind. Lot different than the 30-40 something's that keep screwing over A-State.

Disagree all you want. Seems obvious to me though. So many teams are built like Oregon, not many are going to want to rebuild from the ground up unless they're desperate like we were. Old school Mac ball isn't very attractive to a lot of schools and is an endangered species in the NCAA. Furthermore, have you even watched Beyond the Green? First thing Mac did when he got here was start the "MGF" thing. He treats this like his family as well.

Maybe sound like I'm trying to convince myself, but it doesn't seem likely to me that Mac goes anywhere unless his LSU comes knocking.

It'll be a sad, sad day if Mac leaves us for some low tier Big 12 school. Mac keeps up his pace, he's going to be a UNT legend. I'm an unabashed Mac fanboy, so whatever.

Edited October 21, 2013 by meangreener

Green P1 · October 21, 2013

Good God guys.

untbowler · October 21, 2013

When did he tell you that?

Wow, go ahead and believe someone else will pickup DMac, that's fine. If DMac leaves there will be just as many coaches lining up, caleld being a mid-major

My opinion only so pull the stick out of you *** and quit being so uptight

MeanGreenTexan · October 21, 2013

Win out (I'll even give a loss in there somewhere... just not to UTSA) to finish the year at 8 or 9 wins and I'd extend him without question. Otherwise, we'll need to look really hard at options, of which, he may be our best option.

Green Mean · October 21, 2013

We're not even through year 3 of a 5 year contract. Yes there is improvement here but could it have really gotten worse during TD's tenure? Let's see how this season plays out. If he gets us to a bowl and even winning it then I am for having a discussion. Instead of an extension I'll be ok with coaching staff pay raise immediately and keep the years. In the middle of year 4 of things look good and we're still winning then we can extend another 2 or 3 years. I don't understand the rush in getting this done when he's not going anywhere right now.

And those who think Mac is done going elsewhere and is a UNT lifer is really delusional. If another bigger and better program comes around and doubles his salary then he will leave unless we match or beat it. That's the way it works. There's nothing wrong with that as that is his right and we'd probably all at least consider it if not do the same thing. Let's wait and see what happens. There is absolutely no rush whatsoever to have any kind of extension.

SSP · October 21, 2013

Wow, go ahead and believe someone else will pickup DMac, that's fine. If DMac leaves there will be just as many coaches lining up, caleld being a mid-major
My opinion only so pull the stick out of you *** and quit being so uptight

Who pissed in your cereal?

Simple question. You seem so sure so inquiring minds would like to know where you got that information.

I'm rarely ever called uptight. BUT since you so rudely introduced the topic of ***, maybe you could shove your opinion up yours? Have a great Monday!

Edited October 21, 2013 by SSP

untjim1995 · October 21, 2013

I think if he we finish out with 3 or more regular season wins, which means we will be all but assuredly be playing a Big Ten team in a bowl game in Dallas, Coach Mac will get a 2 year extension before the bowl game, which would be more than earned and deserved.

A 6-6 season is the real question--would we even get a bowl bid? If we do, and lose that bowl game, we will have had yet another losing season, even with all the improvement that Mac has brought along, so that is the real 50/50 breakpoint to me.

If we do somethingcrazy like finish out 8-4 and win our bowl game, it wouldn't surprise me to see an AQ in the Midwest come calling with a big 4-5 year contract offer. Iowa, Nebraska, Michigan State, Purdue, or Minnesota could look at McCarney's job here and combine it with his rebuild in Iowa State and they could say that his energy and positivev attitude are just what we need to turn this around in time for him to hand pick a successor if things go right.

If we beat USM, UTSA, and UTEP, but lose to Rice and Tulsa, that gets us to 7-5. I think it get Mac an extra two years. If he wins another game before the season ends, I think he'll get 3 extra years. But at 6-6, its not out of the question to see where things go in Year 4 to make the decision, as well. To me, I've seen enough of McCarney to know that 6-6 at this place, no matter the schedule, is worth an extra two years, just because of his energy and his positive attributes. But that just my opinion...

UNT90 · October 21, 2013

Some older alums would remember when Tom Landry and his staff,circa 1965, thought they were going to get fired and how D.C. owner Clint Murchison showed them by giving Landry a new 10 year contract. Seems that paid off for the Cowboys and would be the very vehicle which would allow Tom Landry to have an NFL Hall of Fame coaching career. Had they fired him--Landry may have gone back home to Mission, Texas, and sold insurance.

If Coach Mac had not done what he pulled off at Iowa State (a Kansas State 2.0 kind of football program before Bill Snyder), I would not be as enthusiastic as to say............give the man a contract extension now.

Just some things in life you just have to have a 6'th sense about as to discern.

GMG!

Think Halloween Night At Apogee Stadium!

GMG!

I saw 6th Sense. That guy was dead at the end of the movie.

Let's just wait till the end of the season and take stock of where we are.

Oh, and I'm diggin this brevity thing you got going on. Actually read this post.

Edited October 21, 2013 by UNT90

greenjoe · October 21, 2013

If we win out, a difficult task to be sure, Coach MaC is 18-18 in his time at North Texas. After 4 seasons, Hayden Fry, whom most consider the gold standard of North Texas football, was 20-21 (granted, we only played 11 games per season then). With a 9-3 season and a bowl win, Coach MaC has a winning overall record after 3 seasons. How far back does one have to look to beat that ?

But for now, ...

Beat Southern Miss. Then beat the rest.

GO MEAN GREEN

Green Dozer · October 21, 2013

No doubt Mac has done a good job and the program is far better off than it has been in a long time. But I think it would be more prudent to wait until next year for an extension. Next year will be more of an indicator where this program is and the direction because all the players will have been recruited by Mac and his staff.

PlummMeanGreen · October 21, 2013

I saw 6th Sense. That guy was dead at the end of the movie.

Let's just wait till the end of the season and take stock of where we are.

Oh, and I'm diggin this brevity thing you got going on. Actually read this post.

Thanks, but I feel like I'm having some kind of withdrawals doing it--almost get the shakes.

GMG!

Edited October 21, 2013 by PlummMeanGreen

GrandGreen · October 21, 2013

Other than our usual Neg Neds of whom the sky is falling in their Mean Green World 365 days a year, just who were all the other "many's" who wanted Coach Mac fired after the Tulane game and that after an impressive MAC contender Ball State win? And (besides at North Texas with a handful) when does any 1 game ever determine a coach's future anyway?

Sure, the jury is still out for some with Coach Mac but all the positive indicators and trends are there concerning what he has done and is doing now at our alma mater in his Year 3. IMO, it would all but take a freight train hitting us head on or a team health epidemic for UNT to not make it to 6 wins now with 7 being more likely and even 8 possible with further development of this team.

Think Halloween Night At Apogee Stadium!

Plum, you can go back and see for yourself the reaction to the Tulane loss or just wait for the next one to see all the negative reaction.

I am just against long term contracts for any currently hired coach because they are always one sided. The coach can leave at will, but the school is stuck if they don't perform.

Talking about McCarney specifically, I have no problem with giving him a raise but I wouldn't extend any coach more than 2 years out unless it was necessary to match an offer.

It is great having a winning record and I expect a lot more out of this team and staff, but lets don't get too carried away until NT accomplishes a lot more.

KingDL1 · October 21, 2013

We're not even through year 3 of a 5 year contract. Yes there is improvement here but could it have really gotten worse during TD's tenure? Let's see how this season plays out. If he gets us to a bowl and even winning it then I am for having a discussion. Instead of an extension I'll be ok with coaching staff pay raise immediately and keep the years. In the middle of year 4 of things look good and we're still winning then we can extend another 2 or 3 years. I don't understand the rush in getting this done when he's not going anywhere right now.

And those who think Mac is done going elsewhere and is a UNT lifer is really delusional. If another bigger and better program comes around and doubles his salary then he will leave unless we match or beat it. That's the way it works. There's nothing wrong with that as that is his right and we'd probably all at least consider it if not do the same thing. Let's wait and see what happens. There is absolutely no rush whatsoever to have any kind of extension.

Agreed

This crap is all premature middle of fourth year is the earliest, unless we have been consistently ranked in the top 25 and on our way to our third bowl game since Mac got here.

We just had our first back to back win in nine years, we have yet to see a winning season which will take a minimum of 7 wins. Slow down

Edited October 21, 2013 by KingDL1

ColoradoEagle · October 21, 2013

Consistently ranked in the top 25 to give Mac an extension? When have we ever been consistently ranked in the top 25? What school do you think this is?

KingDL1 · October 21, 2013

If we win out, a difficult task to be sure, Coach MaC is 18-18 in his time at North Texas. After 4 seasons, Hayden Fry, whom most consider the gold standard of North Texas football, was 20-21 (granted, we only played 11 games per season then). With a 9-3 season and a bowl win, Coach MaC has a winning overall record after 3 seasons. How far back does one have to look to beat that ?

But for now, ...

Beat Southern Miss. Then beat the rest.

GO MEAN GREEN

you do mean 13 - 18?

KingDL1 · October 21, 2013

Consistently ranked in the top 25 to give Mac an extension? When have we ever been consistently ranked in the top 25? What school do you think this is?

To do an extension prematurely early was one of the reasons.

This is North Texas and there is no reason we should not expect this in our future.

Edited October 21, 2013 by KingDL1

ColoradoEagle · October 21, 2013

I'd like to see it in the future, but let's be realistic. I would love for us to capture what some of the schools did like TCU, Boise State, and Utah. That said, if anyone is following this program with the definition of success being consistent top 25 rankings, you're in for a world of disappointment. Winning records, conference championships, and going to/winning bowls should be the goals. We could do all of that and still not be a top 25 ranked team.

We practically nuked this program and gave ourselves the equivalent of the death penalty for six years. Mac has us on the cusp of being a winning program again, and after this horseshit show that's been going on the past 8 years, that's a huge deal to me.

KingDL1 · October 21, 2013

I'd like to see it in the future, but let's be realistic. I would love for us to capture what some of the schools did like TCU, Boise State, and Utah. That said, if anyone is following this program with the definition of success being consistent top 25 rankings, you're in for a world of disappointment. Winning records, conference championships, and going to/winning bowls should be the goals. We could do all of that and still not be a top 25 ranked team.

We practically nuked this program and gave ourselves the equivalent of the death penalty for six years. Mac has us on the cusp of being a winning program again, and after this horseshit show that's been going on the past 8 years, that's a huge deal to me.

Are you responding to me?