What has changed since Todd Dodge?

[KingDL1]

Yet unt90 is somewhere not saying shit and wishing he hadn't of started this thread.

You people need more of a life, he had commitments after the game. Hiding no.

I am sure when we were down 20-3 most were thinking something less than hopeful.

At the time this was posted it was fine and doom and gloom looked fairly certain, The post itself could be an interesting idea.

[meanrob]

You people need more of a life, he had commitments after the game. Hiding no.

I am sure when we were down 20-3 most were thinking something less than hopeful.

At the time this was posted it was fine and doom and gloom looked fairly certain, The post itself could be an interesting idea.

Problem is, we don't have to be down 20-3 for UNT90 to be less than hopeful.

[KingDL1]

Problem is, we don't have to be down 20-3 for UNT90 to be less than hopeful.

He is just frustrated at times, he is always hopeful.

[eulessismore]

Honestly, UNT90 has never seemed like a bad guy to me; met him once in person, and he was (and I'm sure still is) a serious supporter of UNT athletics. I am glad that Chancellor has exceeded UNT90's assessment on his punt return abilities.

[Green Mean]

He is just frustrated at times, he is always hopeful.

It makes a lot of sense. I think many fans became more frustrated after the whole Tony Benford and MBB debacle from last season. It's just been a part of the territory when we choose to become UNT fans.

[PlummMeanGreen]

It is obvious that some of you need to take a break from this message board. I took about a year off at one point and it really does help.

We "ALL" know what the problems are. We don't need to be reminded of them every freakin' day from the same freakin' posters. How about trying this? Come up with a few solutions for all these oft' repeated comments of the same ol' problems?

AND...............try enjoying this big win for the next 24 hours instead of being like a bunch of gripe'y old women sitting around a quilting table gossiping about the same things they griped about this time last week; last month and last year?

Really...do yourselves a favor and take some time out of all this. It will help your health and overall outlook of life in general.

Edited September 15, 2013 by PlummMeanGreen

[eulessismore]

It is obvious that some of you need to take a break from this message board. I took about a year off at one point and it really does help. We "ALL" know what the problems are. We do not need to be reminded of them every freakin' day from the same freakin' posters. How about this? Try to come up with a few solutions

AND...............try enjoying this win for the next 24 hours instead of being like a bunch of old, gripe'y woman sitting around a quilting table gossiping about the same things they griped about this time last week; last month and last year.

Really...take some time out of all this.

Hey, you really make a lot of sense, although I wasn't always sold on your posting style. Folks, the Plummers are one of the great pioneering families in North Texas. I think we all benefit from the kind of grit and common sense that PlummMeanGreen and some of the other long time UNT supporters have shown.

Edited September 15, 2013 by eulessismore

[Green Crazy]

You people need more of a life, he had commitments after the game. Hiding no.

I am sure when we were down 20-3 most were thinking something less than hopeful.

At the time this was posted it was fine and doom and gloom looked fairly certain, The post itself could be an interesting idea.

My life is basically my family, friends, work and north texas. So, when someone rarely and I mean rarely has anything good to say and hijacks threads and inserts his old tired opinion in about how we suck, it annoys me. I like to think of myself as a realist and nowhere near a optimist, but he makes me look like Kram after a bottle of Prozac. I've said this before, he's a great fan and obviously loves the school and wants us to do well, but just not all the time with the negative.

[MeanGreen61]

This thread's funny.

This thread is STUPID.

[PlummMeanGreen]

Hey, you really make a lot of sense, although I wasn't always sold on your posting style. Folks, the Plummers are one of the great pioneering families in North Texas. I think we all benefit from the kind of grit and common sense that PlummMeanGreen and some of the other long time UNT supporters have shown.

OK, a break from Mean Green talk I give you all and yall can blame eulessismore for this! LOL!

Most hate history which means you would not want to read much more past this sentence yet..... I find it to be interesting and enjoy hearing others talk about their own family or their family histories for that matter. Old photos of families fascinate me as well.

eulessismore, you say my writing style? LOL! My late "sainted" mother was the writer of the family and even wrote for a newspaper. I sincerely admit to being a novice in many things but especially as a "so called" writer and (as many of you know) can take a full page to say things others can say in, uh, 1 sentence?

L.T.M. Plummer (in above pic) was my Great-Great Grandfather who did take part in one of the more celebrated stories in Texas history lore. The John Ford directed movie "The Searchers" (John Wayne, Ward Bond, a very young Natalie Wood, etc, etc, etc); anyhow , they even mention some of the Texas-based Fort Parker Story my ancestor played a part as far as its own story's similarities to that movie and they mention that in "The Making of The Searchers" which can be found in that movie's commemoritive DVD. Hollywood critics say it was John Wayne's best acting performance of his entire career....period. They say he took it up several knotches in fact and having seen most of "The Dukes' movies...I tend to agree.

eulessismore, I wrote this below for an online publication several years ago. Regretfully, a fellow UNT alum Larry McMurtry writing clone I am not.

_________________________________________

Surnames:

Luther Thomas Martin Plummer journeyed to Texas with the Parker family in 1833. They came from Springfield, Illinois, and one of the Parker brothers, Isaac, was a legislator in the Illinois State House. (He would later be a signer of the Texas Declaration of Independence when Texas sought to separate from Mexico and would soon become a Republic.

Luther Thomas Martin Plummer was born in Baltimore in 1811. He migrated into Canada for a while according to a family researcher and then ended up in Illinois.

LTM Plummer married Rachel Parker and they all traveled with her family and the whole Parker clan to Texas in order to establish the very first organized Baptist church in Texas with special permission from Mexico which was under the Roman Catholic Church. (Mr. Plummer was a Methodist, though).

In about 1834, this Texas pioneering group temporarily settled in Anderson County (about 1 1/2 hours by car southeast of Dallas) near what is present day Palestine, Texas, and there they established the first recorded Baptist church in Texas. (It is a Texas historical location with a replica of the first church located near Elkhart, Texas in Anderson County). There is a large cemetary adjacent to the church replica where many of the early Parker pioneers are buried.

The whole group then migrated westward to what is now Limestone County, Texas, (about an hour southeast of Waco) where they built a western style Indian fort--Fort Parker. In 1834-35, rumors that Commanche and Kiowa Indians were growing hostile created a need to build a fort for protection.

The Texas Revolution led by General Sam Houston was going full steam ahead in 1836 and in the Spring of 1836 LTM Plummer, his wife (Rachel) and a new born son--James Pratt Plummer with their relatives had to suddenly leave Fort Parker as Mexico's General Santa Anna and his huge army were marching across Texas. The Parkers, the Plummers and a few others of the forts inhabitants fled back to Fort Houston near the spot they organized their first church until things settled down with Santa Anna and his Mexican army--in Texas history the fleeing of Anglo-Americans all across Texas to safe havens in order to avoid the wrath of the Mexican army was called, "the Runaway Scrape."

So the fall of the Alamo took place in March, 1836, and one month later General Sam Houston and his "tattered" Texas army defeated Gen. Santa Anna at San Jacinto (near present day Houston) and so the Illinois pioneers left Fort Houston and traveled the 100 miles west back to Fort Parker.

Almost one month after Texas won its independence from Mexico, on May 19, 1836, while LTM Plummer and his father in law were about a mile from the fort working their fields of corn about 500 Commanche and Kiowa Indians rode on horses out of the woods into a clearing near the entrance of Fort Parker.

Upon seeing the Indians, panic took place inside the fort until Benjamin Parker settled everyone down and told the settlers inside the fort he would go "parlay" with the Indian chief to see what they wanted, although Benjamin feared his meeting might be in vain. He went out to talk to a chief of the Indians and offerred the war party several heads of cattle inside the stockade area of the fort.

So Benjamin Parker went back inside the fort and told the pioneers that he feared an attack but he would go back out to meet the Indain chief one more time. He did so and as he was trying to be "peace-maker" the Indians started their war cries and an Indian brave on a horse rode up to Benjamin Parker and ran a spear thru Mr. Parker killing him almost instantly!

The pioneers inside the fort saw the horror outside the fort and all started a panic as the Indians stormed the fort killing women and several older settlers. Rachel Plummer and her son, James, were separated by the Indians and history says Mrs. Plummer gave a valient display of courage in fighting back but to no avail. Her little 9 year old cousin, Cynthia Ann Parker, and her brother, John, were picked up and put on Indian braves horses and left the fort. Rachel Plummmer and her son, James, were split from each other by 2 different factions of the war party and they would never see each other again on this earth.

LTM Plummer and his father in law, Rev. James Parker, were still about a mile from the fort when an unknown settler came running to them to tell them of the horror that had just taken place at the fort. The 2 men hurried back to the fort warning others who live nearby of the Indians potential danger to them as well.

Plummer and Parker finally reached the fort and only saw the remnants of a dastardly and horrible deed done by the Indian war party. Texas history books say Plummer was so distraught about the Indian kidnapping of his (pregnant) wife and son, James, that he took off across the Texas prairie "armed only with a butcher knife" in search of his loved ones.

Nine year old Cynthia Ann Parker, Rachel Plummer's 1'st cousin, would grow up with the Indians, marry Chief Peta Nocona (Nocona, Texas and boots named for him) and bare him several children of which one would later become a very famous "hell-raising" and warring Indian chief in Texas/Oklahoma and the Southwest--his name was Chief Quanah Parker. (This Indian chief is quite a story of his own and has been written about in Smithsonian Magazine many years ago). In fact, after Chief Quanah Parker saw that the "deviled blue eyes" would continue to migrate into Inian Territory en mass he persuaded his people to make a permanent and lasting peace with the white man. Quanah Parker would later as a civilized citizen become a very successful businessman/rancher in southern Oklahoma. He would later become friends with U.S. President Teddy Roosevelt and (in deed) the Chief and his braves rode their horses in Roosevelt's inaugation parade in Washington DC.

James Plummer

Weatherford

Parker County, Texas

Edited September 15, 2013 by PlummMeanGreen

[eulessismore]

OK, a break from Mean Green talk I give you all and yall can blame eulessismore for this! LOL!

Most hate history which means you would not want to read much more past this sentence yet..... I find it to be interesting and enjoy hearing others talk about their own family or their family histories for that matter. Old photos of families fascinate me as well.

eulessismore, you say my writing style? LOL! My late "sainted" mother was the writer of the family and even wrote for a newspaper. I sincerely admit to being a novice in many things but especially as a "so called" writer and (as many of you know) can take a full page to say things others can say in, uh, 1 sentence?

L.T.M. Plummer (in above pic) was my Great-Great Grandfather who did take part in one of the more celebrated stories in Texas history lore. The John Ford directed movie "The Searchers" (John Wayne, Ward Bond, a very young Natalie Wood, etc, etc, etc); anyhow , they even mention some of the Texas-based Fort Parker Story my ancestor played a part as far as its own story's similarities to that movie and they mention that in "The Making of The Searchers" which can be found in that movie's commemoritive DVD. Hollywood critics say it was John Wayne's best acting performance of his entire career....period. They say he took it up several knotches in fact and having seen most of "The Dukes' movies...I tend to agree.

eulessismore, I wrote this below for an online publication several years ago. Regretfully, a fellow UNT alum Larry McMurtry writing clone I am not.

_________________________________________

Surnames:

Luther Thomas Martin Plummer journeyed to Texas with the Parker family in 1833. They came from Springfield, Illinois, and one of the Parker brothers, Isaac, was a legislator in the Illinois State House. (He would later be a signer of the Texas Declaration of Independence when Texas sought to separate from Mexico and would soon become a Republic.

Luther Thomas Martin Plummer was born in Baltimore in 1811. He migrated into Canada for a while according to a family researcher and then ended up in Illinois.

LTM Plummer married Rachel Parker and they all traveled with her family and the whole Parker clan to Texas in order to establish the very first organized Baptist church in Texas with special permission from Mexico which was under the Roman Catholic Church. (Mr. Plummer was a Methodist, though).

In about 1834, this Texas pioneering group temporarily settled in Anderson County (about 1 1/2 hours by car southeast of Dallas) near what is present day Palestine, Texas, and there they established the first recorded Baptist church in Texas. (It is a Texas historical location with a replica of the first church located near Elkhart, Texas in Anderson County). There is a large cemetary adjacent to the church replica where many of the early Parker pioneers are buried.

The whole group then migrated westward to what is now Limestone County, Texas, (about an hour southeast of Waco) where they built a western style Indian fort--Fort Parker. In 1834-35, rumors that Commanche and Kiowa Indians were growing hostile created a need to build a fort for protection.

The Texas Revolution led by General Sam Houston was going full steam ahead in 1836 and in the Spring of 1836 LTM Plummer, his wife (Rachel) and a new born son--James Pratt Plummer with their relatives had to suddenly leave Fort Parker as Mexico's General Santa Anna and his huge army were marching across Texas. The Parkers, the Plummers and a few others of the forts inhabitants fled back to Fort Houston near the spot they organized their first church until things settled down with Santa Anna and his Mexican army--in Texas history the fleeing of Anglo-Americans all across Texas to safe havens in order to avoid the wrath of the Mexican army was called, "the Runaway Scrape."

So the fall of the Alamo took place in March, 1836, and one month later General Sam Houston and his "tattered" Texas army defeated Gen. Santa Anna at San Jacinto (near present day Houston) and so the Illinois pioneers left Fort Houston and traveled the 100 miles west back to Fort Parker.

Almost one month after Texas won its independence from Mexico, on May 19, 1836, while LTM Plummer and his father in law were about a mile from the fort working their fields of corn about 500 Commanche and Kiowa Indians rode on horses out of the woods into a clearing near the entrance of Fort Parker.

Upon seeing the Indians, panic took place inside the fort until Benjamin Parker settled everyone down and told the settlers inside the fort he would go "parlay" with the Indian chief to see what they wanted, although Benjamin feared his meeting might be in vain. He went out to talk to a chief of the Indians and offerred the war party several heads of cattle inside the stockade area of the fort.

So Benjamin Parker went back inside the fort and told the pioneers that he feared an attack but he would go back out to meet the Indain chief one more time. He did so and as he was trying to be "peace-maker" the Indians started their war cries and an Indian brave on a horse rode up to Benjamin Parker and ran a spear thru Mr. Parker killing him almost instantly!

The pioneers inside the fort saw the horror outside the fort and all started a panic as the Indians stormed the fort killing women and several older settlers. Rachel Plummer and her son, James, were separated by the Indians and history says Mrs. Plummer gave a valient display of courage in fighting back but to no avail. Her little 9 year old cousin, Cynthia Ann Parker, and her brother, John, were picked up and put on Indian braves horses and left the fort. Rachel Plummmer and her son, James, were split from each other by 2 different factions of the war party and they would never see each other again on this earth.

LTM Plummer and his father in law, Rev. James Parker, were still about a mile from the fort when an unknown settler came running to them to tell them of the horror that had just taken place at the fort. The 2 men hurried back to the fort warning others who live nearby of the Indians potential danger to them as well.

Plummer and Parker finally reached the fort and only saw the remnants of a dastardly and horrible deed done by the Indian war party. Texas history books say Plummer was so distraught about the Indian kidnapping of his (pregnant) wife and son, James, that he took off across the Texas prairie "armed only with a butcher knife" in search of his loved ones.

Nine year old Cynthia Ann Parker, Rachel Plummer's 1'st cousin, would grow up with the Indians, marry Chief Peta Nocona (Nocona, Texas and boots named for him) and bare him several children of which one would later become a very famous "hell-raising" and warring Indian chief in Texas/Oklahoma and the Southwest--his name was Chief Quanah Parker. (This Indian chief is quite a story of his own and has been written about in Smithsonian Magazine many years ago). In fact, after Chief Quanah Parker saw that the "deviled blue eyes" would continue to migrate into Inian Territory en mass he persuaded his people to make a permanent and lasting peace with the white man. Quanah Parker would later as a civilized citizen become a very successful businessman/rancher in southern Oklahoma. He would later become friends with U.S. President Teddy Roosevelt and (in deed) the Chief and his braves rode their horses in Roosevelt's inaugation parade in Washington DC.

James Plummer

Weatherford

Parker County, Texas

Say what you will Plumm, that's some pretty good writing! And I enjoy reading about the history of my dearly departed and sainted mother's family, descendants of Isaac Garrison, who among other things. Isaac, among other things, fought for George Washington in the Revolutionary War; his brother captained the ships that brought the Moravians to the new World, first to the Bethlehem Pennsylvania area, and then to what is now the Winston-Salem area of North Carolina.

Among the more famous Moravians was Col. A.H. Belo, who moved to Galveston from North Carolina after the Civil War, then, after the big Galveston hurricane, to Dallas where he helped make the Dallas Morning News, and its parent Belo Corporation, the players that they are today. I have spent time at the "Old Salem Historical Village" in NC, and been treated like a "brother" after telling them of my ancestors. One thing Belo did for his wife was to build an exact replica of their "Old" Salem home, in now Downtown Dallas, the Belo Mansion, and, since she didn't enjoy the heat of Texas summers, would take her back to their original home to spend the summers. I say this in part to illustrate how fascinating some of this family history can be. And I know that Dr. Terry Jordan didn't enjoy me and some of my long haired brethren from my college years, but will always take pride in how well he spoke of my ability to write about the brand of historical geography that he brought to prominence, first at North Texas, and then at UT Austin.

And no, I still don't think of myself as a very good writer, either, but we'll struggle with our own self perception when we think about such as McMurtry and some of the professors I had at the North Texas Geography Department. Oh, but I digress; GMG!

Edited September 15, 2013 by eulessismore

[MeanGreenTexan]

I hope Mr.90 is out enjoying this win (I bet he is since he's a big fan), because the next time he logs on, he has a S***-ton of crow to eat.