Ohio overreaction

MeanGreenTexan · September 8, 2013

Guys,

Did we not expect this?

It was a close game. It was a loss... A loss that several of you predicted to be more lopsided than the actual score. Why the reaction like it was an expected win?

Truth: We don't have good QB play. We haven't had good QB play in quite a while. Most of you have acknowledged this in previous posts. Why would we expect Roger Staubach re-incarnated on game days as opposed to every other day of the week?

Come back to reality folks... the Idaho win is in the rearview and fading fast. I believe our next realistic game to win will be @ Tulane. If we can pull off a win at home VS Ball St., that is gravy. I'll be rooting for the gravy... but expecting dry meat with a side of turnovers.

Go gravy-smothered Mean Green!

UNT90 · September 8, 2013

We will NEVER have good QB play as long as we throw the ball 3 times on 16 1st downs in the first half, and we will ALWAYS be playing from behind.

Stop blaming a QB who is consistently put in a position to fail by his coaching staff. When the other team knows when you are going to throw and when you are going to run, the game becomes MUCH tougher for the QB.

But that is just what Mac does.

NT03 · September 8, 2013

We got beat by a injury plagued average MAC (4-4 last season ) team who played a horrible game themselves

If we want to go bowling these are the types of games you MUST win

Hunter Green · September 8, 2013

We will NEVER have good QB play as long as we throw the ball 3 times on 16 1st downs in the first half, and we will ALWAYS be playing from behind.

Stop blaming a QB who is consistently put in a position to fail by his coaching staff. When the other team knows when you are going to throw and when you are going to run, the game becomes MUCH tougher for the QB.

But that is just what Mac does.

I'll second that all day long.

MeanGreenTexan · September 8, 2013

We will NEVER have good QB play as long as we throw the ball 3 times on 16 1st downs in the first half, and we will ALWAYS be playing from behind.

Stop blaming a QB who is consistently put in a position to fail by his coaching staff. When the other team knows when you are going to throw and when you are going to run, the game becomes MUCH tougher for the QB.

But that is just what Mac does.

OK. So you're put down in the column of fire the coaching staff, right?

Of course we can blame QB play. The coaches have to talk up the best QB option they have. But he's not good and he has displayed that for 3 years now. Unfortunately, DW is too young and no one knows what the heck happened to BB. So, we're stuck with what we have.

Defense giving up the big play early... That has been happening to us for as long as I can remember since Buckles & Jones graduated. Several different coaches. Same problem. The coaches can only do so much.

Not every situation is like Benford's. It would be one thing if McCarney came in with all kinds of talent and dragged them down to a 4-8 record... but that was not the case.

Come back to reality.

GoMeanGreen1999 · September 8, 2013

I thought they played a good game on the road after going down 21-7. I certainly figured it would turn into the same old team and get blown out. Beat Ball State next week and we head to GA 2-2. Not a bad start.

PlummMeanGreen · September 8, 2013

Are we going to give this team more than 2 games to improve in all the areas that we really knew they would need to improve merely 3 weeks ago?

Injuries? Didn't Coach Solich have 9 years at the helm to make sure he had some back-ups which they for damn sure did not talk up before Game Day, yesterday? Come on, people, this guy has a program that has gone to 5 bowl games as I recollect. This team will go to a bowl game. Mark it!

Dammit, I really gotta go now! This board is addictive.

GMG!

Edited September 8, 2013 by PlummMeanGreen

MeanMag · September 8, 2013

I was also surprise and impressed that we were able to have the ball at the end of a game with an opportunity to win after being down the entire game.

Disappointed as I'm sure the players and coaches are at the mental lapses and mistakes.

The Ohio defensive line whipped our experienced oline. And with how experienced our o line is the mental mistakes and whipping should not happen.

Harry · September 8, 2013

Of course we can blame QB play. The coaches have to talk up the best QB option they have. But he's not good and he has displayed that for 3 years now. Unfortunately, DW is too young and no one knows what the heck happened to BB. So, we're stuck with what we have.

+10 - you hit the nail on the head.

7travis5 · September 8, 2013

To me, it simply comes down to the quality of player under center. Teams without a QB don't win in football. Simple as that. Mike Canales can only call what DT is capable of (although I'm still not a fan of draws and screen passes when you need to go 84 yards in a minute). I do think the game management is on Mac, but that's as far as I will go when it comes to the blame game. I'm a Mac lover, and I would rather see Canales gone before Mac, if anyone has to go. That's just me. At least we're 2-0 in morale games this year... :headbang:

FirefightnRick · September 8, 2013

Unfortunately, DW is too young

This is where a young fan with limited history show's his...well, never mind that.

Norman, Oklahoma, September 5th, 1987, Bron Beal breaks his ankle and in comes true freshman Scott Davis, who drives North Texas to two touchdowns that would be the first allowed in Norman by a non conference team since the Carter administration. A legend is born.

Lubbutocks, Texas, September 9th, 2000, ,Unhappy with upper classman leadership midway through the first half, Dickey inserts true freshman Scott Hall, who leads North Texas back to within a fumbled reception at the 3 yard line. Had the receiver, Darren "Stone Hands" McClain tucked the ball away and not allowed to be stripped from him that reception and run would have put us on the goal line with 18 seconds and a chance to steal yet another game from Texas Tech, A legend was born.

Austin, Texas August 31st...2002. Junior QB Scott Hall was injured and couldn't continue late in an already blow out game against the Longhorns, Dickey inserts freshman Andrew Smith, who would in the coming weeks face Alabama in a 33-7 loss, TCU in a 16-10 loss and a 14-9 loss at Arizona,..then go on to lead NT to it's second straight conference championship and it's first bowl game since the Roosevelt administration. A legend was born.

Denton Texas, October 6th, 2007, After telling Danny Meager he was the starter for the season Dodge inserts true freshman Giovanni Vizza at QB in the 4th game of the season against ULL, who led North Texas to 29 points in an 11 point loss that day. But would tie the NCAA record for most TD's in a single game at 8 against Navy 4 weeks later. Poor judgment in character got the best of this one, otherwise could have been another legend..who knows?

Any more questions about the shortcomings and frailties of youth in freshmen QB's at North Texas?

Rick

Edited September 8, 2013 by FirefightnRick

DallasGreen · September 8, 2013

+10 - you hit the nail on the head.

The QB did not give up a 75 yard TD on the game's first play. The QB did not play on the defensive line that was repeatedly slashed on runs where Ohio backs slashed through like a knife through hot butter. The secondary particularly Zac Whitfield flailed their arms rather than knocking down passes. When the score was tied was the time to really step it up, Trice did with the int but his fumble was a real deflator. The defense was never able to hold Ohio's offense after that until they were deep in the red zone. BTW why can't that great o- line run block? They may be great in avoiding sacks, but sometimes the backs look like there on their own! Very winnable game, poor game planning, way too conservative. Should have at least seen Williams in spots to shake it up. Ohio was rattled when their QB jawed with official. We were as inconsistent in play calling and execution after the tie as I have ever seen in 50 years+ of NT football. INT by DT was a 14 point swing!

MeanGreenTexan · September 8, 2013

This is where a young fan with limited history show's his...well, never mind that.

Norman, Oklahoma, September 5th, 1987, Bron Beal breaks his ankle and in comes true freshman Scott Davis, who drives North Texas to two touchdowns that would be the first allowed in Norman by a non conference team since the Carter administration. A legend is born.

Lubbutucks, Texas, September 9th, 2000, ,Unhappy with upper classman leadership midway through the first half, Dickey inserts true freshman Scott Hall, who leads North Texas back to within a fumbled reception at the 3 yard line. Had the receiver, Darren "Stone Hands" McClain tucked the ball away and not allowed to be stripped from him that reception and run would have put us on the goal line with 18 seconds and a chance to steal yet another game from Texas Tech, A legend was born.

Austin, Texas...2002. Junior QB Scott Hall was injured and couldn't continue late in an already blow out game against the Longhorns, Dickey inserts freshman Andrew Smith, who would in the weeks coming face Alabama in a 33-7 loss, TCU in a 16-10 loss and a 14-9 loss at Arizon,..then go on to lead NT to it's second straight conference championship and it's first bowl game since the Roosevelt administration. A legend was born.

Denton Texas, October 6t, 2007, After telling Danny Meager he was the starter for the season Dodge inserts true freshman Giovanni Vizza at QB in the 4th game of the season against ULL, who led North Texas to 29 points in an 11 point loss that day. But would tie the NCAA record for most TD's in a single game at 8 against Navy 4 weeks later. Puss-itis got the best of this one, otherwise could have been another legend..who knows?

Any more questions about the shortcomings of freshmen QB's at North Texas?

Rick

I'll give you the Davis reference, but my friend I was on campus for both of the next two! :santa: Vizza would be QB'ing UNT's all-time quitter team, so I don't want to hear anything about him...

Honest question: Do you think that if DW were to have started, we would have won? I'm not going to say, "no way", but I'm certainly not going to say, "yes" either.

FirefightnRick · September 8, 2013

I'll give you the Davis reference, but my friend I was on campus for both of the next two! Vizza would be QB'ing UNT's all-time quitter team, so I don't want to hear anything about him...

Honest question: Do you think that if DW were to have started, we would have won? I'm not going to say, "no way", but I'm certainly not going to say, "yes" either.

I don't give a shit what you'll give me cause I'm not asking.. I'm telling. I was there for ALL FOUR of them. ALL FOUR of them were young freshmen who stood up and answered the call and performed better than anyone other than their coaches expected them to perform. THEY WERE GREAT!

And there's no reason it cant happen NOW!

Rick

Edited September 8, 2013 by FirefightnRick

Rudy · September 8, 2013

Granted it was against Idaho, but DW did not look nervous or timid. He looked right at home playing in his first FBS football game. Not going to say we would have won with him in, but he and BB both can run, which forces the defense to take into consideration.

H-towngreen · September 8, 2013

The QB did not give up a 75 yard TD on the game's first play. The QB did not play on the defensive line that was repeatedly slashed on runs where Ohio backs slashed through like a knife through hot butter. The secondary particularly Zac Whitfield flailed their arms rather than knocking down passes. When the score was tied was the time to really step it up, Trice did with the int but his fumble was a real deflator. The defense was never able to hold Ohio's offense after that until they were deep in the red zone. BTW why can't that great o- line run block? They may be great in avoiding sacks, but sometimes the backs look like there on their own! Very winnable game, poor game planning, way too conservative. Should have at least seen Williams in spots to shake it up. Ohio was rattled when their QB jawed with official. We were as inconsistent in play calling and execution after the tie as I have ever seen in 50 years+ of NT football. INT by DT was a 14 point swing!

The D gave up 20 pts on the road against a QB who is on every major QB awards list and a SR Rb who had 1600 yds last season. I'd call that a very good day.

Cerebus · September 8, 2013

Beat Ball St? Is that all?

They are better than Ohio. They throttled the bobcats last year. They beat a ranked team. This year they have most of the pieces back and their strength is run defense.

This injury riddled Ohio team was the win we needed to get.

PlummMeanGreen · September 8, 2013

Haven't we had decent success at Apogee Stadium? So with some of you do we just forfeit this game? My how things have changed in one week around here.

I'm not ready to put Ball State at the Crimson Tide level, though. If Ball State is better than Ohio U weren't we a gnat's whisker of being better than those same Bobcats last night and thus most likey being competitive "at home" against Ball State? Anyone ever hear of the college football concept of " an upset?" Maybe a few Road Game breaks and a smile from Lady Luck last night and we don't go into terminal "the Sky is falling" mode here today?

Will we give this defense more time to tweak itself and maybe even get better? Do we have some huge offensive linemen who played DL at HS of which its time to convert them back to the Mean Green defensive line?

Actually, a decent home crowd could help a young, developing team like North Texas, but maybe I'm over-reacting with that ideal, too?

GMG!

Edited September 8, 2013 by PlummMeanGreen

FirefightnRick · September 8, 2013

The QB did not give up a 75 yard TD on the game's first play. The QB did not play on the defensive line that was repeatedly slashed on runs where Ohio backs slashed through like a knife through hot butter. The secondary particularly Zac Whitfield flailed their arms rather than knocking down passes. When the score was tied was the time to really step it up, Trice did with the int but his fumble was a real deflator. The defense was never able to hold Ohio's offense after that until they were deep in the red zone. BTW why can't that great o- line run block? They may be great in avoiding sacks, but sometimes the backs look like there on their own! Very winnable game, poor game planning, way too conservative. Should have at least seen Williams in spots to shake it up. Ohio was rattled when their QB jawed with official. We were as inconsistent in play calling and execution after the tie as I have ever seen in 50 years+ of NT football. INT by DT was a 14 point swing!

Not sure what your seeing to criticize the O line like this. The holes were there but the backs we not hitting them. Despite facing 9 and 10 in the box Dunbar or Thomas or Cobbs would have had a 200 yard day.

Rick

Edited September 8, 2013 by FirefightnRick

Got5onIt · September 8, 2013

I thought the oline was solid. Ohio got most of its pressure from overloading & blitzing Also, it's hard to run when the D is playing the run most of the time. This is how opposing defenses will continue to play NT if nothing changes on offense....

PlummMeanGreen · September 8, 2013

I thought the oline was solid. Ohio got most of its pressure from overloading & blitzing Also, it's hard to run when the D is playing the run most of the time. This is how opposing defenses will continue to play NT if nothing changes on offense....

I'd come out against Ball State with a riverboat gambler "what else do we have to lose" attitude, bring the coyote offense back for more plays...run and pass, but maybe mostly pass? We have to get Ball State completely off balance and not knowing what we do next.

Maybe Coach Mac can use a few of Coach Fry's "exotic" plays, too. :thumbsu:

GMG!

Edited September 8, 2013 by PlummMeanGreen

meangreener · September 8, 2013

We got beat by a injury plagued average MAC (4-4 last season ) team who played a horrible game themselves
If we want to go bowling these are the types of games you MUST win

Ohio killed ULM last year.

Just took them into the street and beat the crap out of them.

Stop twisting facts to support your opinion. Ohio is not "average." Ohio was 9-4.

We're quite good at home. We have a good chance against Ball.

Edited September 8, 2013 by meangreener

NT03 · September 8, 2013

Ohio killed ULM last year.
Just took them into the street and beat the crap out of them.
Stop twisting facts to support your opinion. Ohio is not "average." Ohio was 9-4.
We're quite good at home. We have a good chance against Ball.

Twisting facts by saying a team who went 4-4 in conference is average ? .500 is pretty average

Good chance vs Ball St ? Nope

Cerebus · September 8, 2013

Stop twisting facts to support your opinion. Ohio is not "average." Ohio was 9-4.
We're quite good at home. We have a good chance against Ball.

Ohio was 4-4 in MAC play last year. How is that twisting the facts?

They were third in the east division. Pretty average.

And that Ball State team everyone is down talking is the stronger MAC team. They beat Ohio by 30 last year, beat two AQ schools and a top 25 team.

That injured Ohio team is the one we needed to beat.

Green P1 · September 8, 2013

Ohio killed ULM last year.
Just took them into the street and beat the crap out of them.
Stop twisting facts to support your opinion. Ohio is not "average." Ohio was 9-4.