$30.4 Million 2014 UNT Athletic Budget (Proposed)

[DeepGreen]

http://meangreenblog.dentonrc.com/

[PlummMeanGreen]

With our location and ever-growing UNT student body, wouldn't those figures get us where we need to be for now?

Say what you will, but we just don't have to have as large a recruiting budget as most non-Texas programs located in smaller population outposts. Yes, we want double the recruiting budget of everyone in CUSA, but we probably don't need double considering so many other variables.

? ? ? How many Texas HS football players looking for a future home take exits off I-35E and I-35W to take a spur of the moment unofficial visit or look-see at fabulous Apogee Stadium and the Mean Green Village?

Location "IS" important no matter what those whose schools don't have it say.

GMG!

Edited August 22, 2013 by PlummMeanGreen

[UNT90]

With our location and ever-growing UNT student body, wouldn't those figures get us where we need to be for now?

Say what you will, but we just don't have to have as large a recruiting budget as most non-Texas programs located in smaller population outposts. Yes, we want double the recruiting budget of everyone in CUSA, but we probably don't need double considering so many other variables.

? ? ? How many Texas HS football players looking for a future home take exits off I-35E and I-35W to take an unofficial look-see at Apogee Stadium and the Mean Green Village for heaven's sake? Location is important no matter what those who don't have it say.

GMG!

Right, because we definitely want to repeat the success of the last 8 years, right?

Never was this saying more appropriate:

You get what you pay for

Edited August 22, 2013 by UNT90

[Harry]

Interesting factoids ---

Old C-USA average athletic budget = $31 million

New C-USA average athletic budget = $25 million

Our proposal of $30.4 would put us on the top end of new C-USA budgets if I am reading this correctly which is good.

I found it interesting that they didn't include the rest of the C-USA budgets in this presentation -- it would be interesting to see where the $30.4 puts us against the rest of the conference specifically by school. Also I would be interested in what the additional 11.4 Million ($19 to 30.4) will go towards. As Vito said that sure looks like it would encompass adding a new sport like baseball...

I'm encouraged to see this. This tells me Rawlins and RV are trying to move us up the foodchain in C-USA budgets. GMG!

[PlummMeanGreen]

Right, because we definitely want to repeat the success of the last 8 years, right?

Never was this saying more appropriate:

You get what you pay f

True, UNT90, you are right, but most of the last post-bowl era at UNT we were still recruiting toward and playing at Fouts Field when everyone else and their NCAA FBS dogs were going "Beep! Beep!" past us as we ate all their dust. Some called it the college football venues arms race and we were so far behind. We still have some catching up to do.

His Legacy?

Todd Dodge at his very first press conference as new MG HFC (basically) said............."North Texas "MUST" build a new football stadium now.......we have no choice." Prez' Gretchen B and Rick V started the ball rolling but T.Dodge was the one who threw the glass of ice water at our BOR's faces and all but gave an ultimatum (and the first day on a new job is about the only time one can do such). IMHO, that will always be Todd Dodge's legacy he left North Texas since we know the wins never came.

GMG!

[MeanGreenHoops]

I'm not anti-baseball, but it would be nice to see what a properly funded Dept. can do to support the teams it does have, rather than upping the budget to support a new sport that won't be heavily attended. That is if that's the reason for the increase.

[LongJim]

IF this goes through, it is huge for UNT. Huge.

[UNT90]

True, UNT90, you are right, but most of the last post-bowl era at UNT we were still recruiting toward and playing at Fouts Field when everyone else and their NCAA FBS dogs were going "Beep! Beep!" past us as we ate all their dust. Some called it the college football venues arms race and we were so far behind. We still have some catching up to do.

His Legacy?

Todd Dodge at his very first press conference as new MG HFC (basically) said............."North Texas "MUST" build a new football stadium now.......we have no choice." Prez' Gretchen B and Rick V started the ball rolling but T.Dodge was the one who threw the glass of ice water at our BOR's faces and all but gave an ultimatum (and the first day on a new job is about the only time one can do such). IMHO, that will always be Todd Dodge's legacy he left North Texas since we know the wins never came.

GMG!

HELL NO IT'S NOT TODD FREAKING DODGE'S LEGACY!!!

Are you nuts?

It's the student's legacy, and in particular the student leaders that found a way to overcome a terrible anti-athletic culture at UNT and get the student vote passed. Without that vote, we don't have Apogee.

The only student leader that I know is UNTFlyer, so I give him all the credit in the world. I give Todd Freaking Dodge ZERO!!

Do you conveniently forget the 1st student vote in the early 2000s? Do you not understand that RV (and every other person that has ever looked at Fouts Field from the outside, much less sat inside the stadium) realized that we badly needed a replacement? Do you conveniently forget that RV was trying and failing to get a new stadium with that student vote? Do you honestly believe the high school coach had to point out to a guy who had been in the ADs at Southern Miss and TCU that we needed a new stadium?

I mean, really?

Edited August 22, 2013 by UNT90

[UNT90]

Interesting factoids ---

Old C-USA average athletic budget = $31 million

New C-USA average athletic budget = $25 million

Our proposal of $30.4 would put us on the top end of new C-USA budgets if I am reading this correctly which is good.

I found it interesting that they didn't include the rest of the C-USA budgets in this presentation -- it would be interesting to see where the $30.4 puts us against the rest of the conference specifically by school. Also I would be interested in what the additional 11.4 Million ($19 to 30.4) will go towards. As Vito said that sure looks like it would encompass adding a new sport like baseball...

I'm encouraged to see this. This tells me Rawlins and RV are trying to move us up the foodchain in C-USA budgets. GMG!

Where are you getting the additional 11 million? I thought Vito's article said an increase of around 4 million. Am I missing something?

[Harry]

Where are you getting the additional 11 million? I thought Vito's article said an increase of around 4 million. Am I missing something?

The 19 million was the UNT budget in 2011 per the slides. I was taking my numbers off of the slides. You are correct Vito indicates that our current budget is 27.6 but that number wasn't in the slides and I think Vito was backing into it from the DRC numbers...

[drex]

So how much does that work out to be per touchdown? Only time will tell.

[FroggyStyle]

Lol UNT is going to heavily subsidize students in order to do this. The stadium barely passed. I can't see this passing, the anti athletics culture is too strong. Inb4 a certain admin deletes my post because they don't want me exposing the truth.

[NorthTexan95]

Lol UNT is going to heavily subsidize students in order to do this. The stadium barely passed. I can't see this passing, the anti athletics culture is too strong. Inb4 a certain admin deletes my post because they don't want me exposing the truth.

Saying that the stadium barely passed shows that you don't know what "truth" is.

[UNTLifer]

I'm not anti-baseball, but it would be nice to see what a properly funded Dept. can do to support the teams it does have, rather than upping the budget to support a new sport that won't be heavily attended. That is if that's the reason for the increase.

If this proposed budget puts us at the top of CUSA, and most other CUSA schools have baseball, how are we not properly funded? What, in your estimation, is currently underfunded?

[MeanGreen61]

The 19 million was the UNT budget in 2011 per the slides. I was taking my numbers off of the slides. You are correct Vito indicates that our current budget is 27.6 but that number wasn't in the slides and I think Vito was backing into it from the DRC numbers...

The NCAA Equity in Athletics site had our budget at $20,402,052 for the fiscal year 9/1/11-8/31/12. The budget for the period ending 8/31/13 won't be posted for a couple of months.

[GrayEagle]

The annual report to the U S Department of Education for the period ended June 30, 2013 isn't out yet but here are the revenue figures for 2012 of those teams who will play this coming year.

East Carolina 34.1 million

Tulsa 31.1

Rice 30.3

Tulane 27.9

FIU 27.4

UAB 27.3

Marshall 26.4

UTEP 24.0

Middle Tenn 23.2

FAU 21.7

North Texas 20.4

UTSA 20.2

Southern Miss 19.8

La Tech 17.8

Next year's leader will likely be Old Dominion. Their budget as a 1-AA team this same year was 35.2 million. Charlotte was last at 14.3 but this was before their acceptance into CUSA.

Edited August 23, 2013 by GrayEagle

[glick1980]

Lol UNT is going to heavily subsidize students in order to do this. The stadium barely passed. I can't see this passing, the anti athletics culture is too strong. Inb4 a certain admin deletes my post because they don't want me exposing the truth.

LOL @ a FrogTard pretending everything at TCU isn't heavily subsidized by students via extremely overpriced tuition.

Edited August 23, 2013 by glick1980

[UNT 90 Grad]

HELL NO IT'S NOT TODD FREAKING DODGE'S LEGACY!!!

Are you nuts?

It's the student's legacy, and in particular the student leaders that found a way to overcome a terrible anti-athletic culture at UNT and get the student vote passed. Without that vote, we don't have Apogee.

The only student leader that I know is UNTFlyer, so I give him all the credit in the world. I give Todd Freaking Dodge ZERO!!

Do you conveniently forget the 1st student vote in the early 2000s? Do you not understand that RV (and every other person that has ever looked at Fouts Field from the outside, much less sat inside the stadium) realized that we badly needed a replacement? Do you conveniently forget that RV was trying and failing to get a new stadium with that student vote? Do you honestly believe the high school coach had to point out to a guy who had been in the ADs at Southern Miss and TCU that we needed a new stadium?

I mean, really?

Gotta say, I sort of agree with Plumm to some extent. I don't give Dodge the credit directly, but the hope Dodge brought rejuvenated the excitement toward UNT football as seen by the jump in ticket sales and donors. I think this helped with the student vote.

Does the vote pass if Dodge wasn't hired and downward trending Dickey stayed (giving us no real feeling of change)? We'll never know.

[MeanGreenHoops]

If this proposed budget puts us at the top of CUSA, and most other CUSA schools have baseball, how are we not properly funded? What, in your estimation, is currently underfunded?

I'm not sure what you mentioned is true. I can only go on what I've seen and read, which of course is not all of the facts. But we are routinely cited sources that show we are near the bottom in budget, and behind most schools in Texas and even some in the Sun Belt in recruiting budgets. My point would be, it would be nice to see some reports that come out that show we are at the top of CUSA in budget. if that is true now, then great. But again, I'd prefer that that be true without a new sport, whatever it is.

Also, you must have missed the Kickoff Cookout. That was a severely underfunded event. Just kidding (sort of).

Edited August 23, 2013 by MeanGreenHoops

[meangreener]

This is huge!

But guys, the administration doesn't support UNT athletics.

This will pass.

[UNTflyer]

Lol UNT is going to heavily subsidize students in order to do this. The stadium barely passed. I can't see this passing, the anti athletics culture is too strong. Inb4 a certain admin deletes my post because they don't want me exposing the truth.

Your post makes no sense at all. This already "passed" the BOR and there is no "anti-athletics culture" at UNT.

[All About UNT]

Lol UNT is going to heavily subsidize students in order to do this. The stadium barely passed. I can't see this passing, the anti athletics culture is too strong. Inb4 a certain admin deletes my post because they don't want me exposing the truth.

"There's a reason he was banned from the TCU board. If only there were moderators here. Raiders, Bears, Aggies, Horns, and Razorbacks aren't banned for trolling/annoying...but Robert was, if that tells you anything."

http://www.mwcboard.com/index.php?showtopic=9068

Pot meet Kettle

[PlummMeanGreen]

Your post makes no sense at all. This already "passed" the BOR and there is no "anti-athletics culture" at UNT.

What will also make no sense to Froggie Boy will be when history repeats itself in the Big 12 a la their old SWC days when his little frog pond campus' football program becomes "SWC 2.0 Bottom Dwellers" once again; that is, until UT and OU pull a TAMU and split from the Big 12 for greener and much larger capacity stadiums to play before; you know, as in the SEC or.............the PAC12?

TCU will not be able to sustain MWC-type success at the Big 12 level much longer so they better enjoy it while they have it. The pendelum swing south for Frog football is as inevitable as the turning of the earth.

TCU guy, your school has reached its destination, now leave us alone while we enjoy our journey.

GMG!

Edited August 23, 2013 by PlummMeanGreen

[UNT90]

Gotta say, I sort of agree with Plumm to some extent. I don't give Dodge the credit directly, but the hope Dodge brought rejuvenated the excitement toward UNT football as seen by the jump in ticket sales and donors. I think this helped with the student vote.

Does the vote pass if Dodge wasn't hired and downward trending Dickey stayed (giving us no real feeling of change)? We'll never know.

The fact that the vote passed while Dodge and his high school assistants ran this program below sea level says a lot more about the student's desire to have something to be proud of than anything Dodge did.

Dodge had already been through 1 of the most gawdawful seasons in the history of this program and was in the middle of a second when the vote was taken. The shine was off the apple when it comes to short sighted students. I give them all the credit to those students and those who organized that vote in a terrible economy and dead in the middle of one of the worst periods of football in this schools history, thanks to the guy that you say deserves credit for this stadium.

Please. .

[bstnsportsfan3]

As a student leader at the time, i can say for a fact that Flyer and his group got the ball rolling and we tried to keep it rolling. It was hard at times, but DAMMIT we got that passed and my a good margin. They day i heard it Passed was one of the greatest green days of my life!