New commit Brandon Garner talks UNT

[UNTLifer]

I don't place any more faith in this year's class than last year's class until they prove it on the field/court. I think we have seen star ratings in several NT sports to be a poor predictor to wins.

I would rather judge a class by the number of W's instead of stars.

Amen. Stars rate potential based upon high school production. 4 and 5's are pretty much can't miss. 3 and below, wait for production. Edited August 3, 2013 by UNTLifer

[UNT90]

I don't place any more faith in this year's class than last year's class until they prove it on the field/court. I think we have seen star ratings in several NT sports to be a poor predictor to wins.

I would rather judge a class by the number of W's instead of stars.

Veiled shot at Mitchell? Nice.

We have an experienced head football coach.

[BillySee58]

1st law of recruiting: Any spark in conversation about one's team's recruiting class, whether positive or negative, will result in an argument about how stars don't matter.

Edited August 3, 2013 by BillySee58

[greenminer]

1st law of recruiting: Any spark in conversation about one's team's recruiting class, whether positive or negative, will result in an argument about how stars don't matter.

I know, right?

I don't like judging a class on stars either but - until they actually get a chance to produce - it's great water cooler debate about what the future might hold.

[UNTLifer]

Maybe it was a veiled shot at Nunn, according to ESPN our highest rated recruit this year. Will likely never see the court at UNT.

Maybe it was a shot at Stojkovik, who was a huge talent and freshman contributor that washed out b/c of off field issues.

Maybe it was a shot at Terrell Brooks, who quit football to only appear at a JC and then commit to Baylor, meanwhile bashing UNT.

Maybe it was a shot at the countless JUCOs that rated 3 stars and never made it to campus.

Maybe keep your bullshit on the basketball board where it belongs. If Mac fails this year, you can hop on the negative waves train on the football board. Until then, keep the 100% crapola broken record on the Benford board.

Kisses,

ben

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[UNT90]

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Sure you could have. Giver 'er a go.

[BillySee58]

Maybe it was a veiled shot at Nunn, according to ESPN our highest rated recruit this year. Will likely never see the court at UNT.

Maybe it was a shot at Stojkovik, who was a huge talent and freshman contributor that washed out b/c of off field issues.

Maybe it was a shot at Terrell Brooks, who quit football to only appear at a JC and then commit to Baylor, meanwhile bashing UNT.

Maybe it was a shot at the countless JUCOs that rated 3 stars and never made it to campus.

Maybe keep your bullshit on the basketball board where it belongs. If Mac fails this year, you can hop on the negative waves train on the football board. Until then, keep the 100% crapola broken record on the Benford board.

Kisses,

ben

So you use a couple of 2 star players (Stojkovic and Brooks) as examples of how highly ranked players don't always pan out? At least keep the argument consistent.

[BillySee58]

I guess I was generally speaking of good talent that didn't go anywhere for us. Sorry I didn't do any research at 1am. Both played as freshman and showed potential, with Brooks getting a safety in his first game and Stock starting half the year as a true freshman and laying out some folks. I think we can demonstrate that Brooks was a good prospect based upon him ending up in the Big 12.

How about Tyler Stradford and Cam Feldt? Boone Feldt for that matter. Xavier Kelley? (I still don't get why he left when a walk-on was the backup for his position.)

DQ Johnson, Kerry Swarn, Jamison Hughes, D'Andre Wood, Jeremy Bean, Dawaylon Cook, Justin Edwards, Nate Jenkins, Kylie Hill, Troy Franklin, Devante Davis, Chaz Sampson, Alonzo Horton, Willie Cole, etc?

Better?

That's my point. It's much easier to project guys once you've seen them strap on their helmets for the Green. Even if just for a game like Brooks.

Projecting players in high school, especially after their junior year like our current commits, is extremely difficult. All star ratings mean is that some people are judging their potential athletically. If there is a consensus that a kid has good skills on the field by multiple recruiting outlets then the kid probably has something that college coaches can work with.

Whether they end up as head cases or have no work ethic is not indicated by stars. Of course stars don't determine how successful a player will be, they just give a reference point as to how talented he is in high school compared to current and future recruits.

[NT03]

I guess I was generally speaking of good talent that didn't go anywhere for us. Sorry I didn't do any research at 1am. Both played as freshman and showed potential, with Brooks getting a safety in his first game and Stock starting half the year as a true freshman and laying out some folks. I think we can demonstrate that Brooks was a good prospect based upon him ending up in the Big 12.

How about Tyler Stradford and Cam Feldt? Boone Feldt for that matter. Xavier Kelley? (I still don't get why he left when a walk-on was the backup for his position.)

DQ Johnson, Kerry Swarn, Jamison Hughes, D'Andre Wood, Jeremy Bean, Dawaylon Cook, Justin Edwards, Nate Jenkins, Kylie Hill, Troy Franklin, Devante Davis, Chaz Sampson, Alonzo Horton, Willie Cole, etc?

Better?

Keep in mind Kelley was a kid who transferred 3 times in High Scool. Seems to be a pattern

[UNT90]

I guess I was generally speaking of good talent that didn't go anywhere for us. Sorry I didn't do any research at 1am. Both played as freshman and showed potential, with Brooks getting a safety in his first game and Stock starting half the year as a true freshman and laying out some folks. I think we can demonstrate that Brooks was a good prospect based upon him ending up in the Big 12.

How about Tyler Stradford and Cam Feldt? Boone Feldt for that matter. Xavier Kelley? (I still don't get why he left when a walk-on was the backup for his position.)

DQ Johnson, Kerry Swarn, Jamison Hughes, D'Andre Wood, Jeremy Bean, Dawaylon Cook, Justin Edwards, Nate Jenkins, Kylie Hill, Troy Franklin, Devante Davis, Chaz Sampson, Alonzo Horton, Willie Cole, etc?

Better?

Not really. Cole and Horton didn't qualify. That has nothing to do with talent.

Stradfotd and C. Feldt were 4 stars... but that was long before they came to UNT. By the time we got them, they had already failed to live up to those rankings at their initial school. B. Feldt gave up football because of injuries.

The others were 3 stats, and some very borderline 3 stars at that.

Edited August 3, 2013 by UNT90

[BillySee58]

Not really. Cole and Horton didn't qualify. That has nothing to do with talent.

Stradfotd and C. Feldt were 4 stars... but that was long before they came to UNT. By the time we got them, they had already failed to live up to those rankings at their initial school.

The others were 3 stats, and some very borderline 3 stars at that.

Tyler Stradford was a borderline 3 star. People call him a bust, but he was a reach for OU to sign in the first place. He was a 3 star on rivals and ESPN and a 2 star on scout, when scout was relevant. Stradford was a major reach for OU who they signed because he was fast and that's it. He had no other major offers for a reason.

As for Cam Feldt, and Boone really, it shows how hard it is to project high school lineman playing low level football. Pushing around 180 pound defensive ends looks cool on the highlight tape but doesn't prepare them well for battle tested D1 defensive lineman.

[UNT90]

Tyler Stradford was a borderline 3 star. People call him a bust, but he was a reach for OU to sign in the first place. He was a 3 star on rivals and ESPN and a 2 star on scout, when scout was relevant. Stradford was a major reach for OU who they signed because he was fast and that's it. He had no other major offers for a reason.

As for Cam Feldt, and Boone really, it shows how hard it is to project high school lineman playing low level football. Pushing around 180 pound defensive ends looks cool on the highlight tape but doesn't prepare them well for battle tested D1 defensive lineman.

Was Trice a 4 star? So confusing.

4 and 5 star talent pans out for more times than not. Those that don't are the exception to the rule.

Like you said, you can never judge work habits or personalities, but talent can be judged, and in this day and age the judgements are pretty accurate.

[BillySee58]

Was Trice a 4 star? So confusing.

4 and 5 star talent pans out for more times than not. Those that don't are the exception to the rule.

Like you said, you can never judge work habits or personalities, but talent can be judged, and in this day and age the judgements are pretty accurate.

Yeah, Trice was a 4 star

[UNTLifer]

Not really. Cole and Horton didn't qualify. That has nothing to do with talent.

Stradfotd and C. Feldt were 4 stars... but that was long before they came to UNT. By the time we got them, they had already failed to live up to those rankings at their initial school. B. Feldt gave up football because of injuries.

The others were 3 stats, and some very borderline 3 stars at that.

Who were the borderline 3 stars? Considering these are awarded based upon HS production and college potential, what makes you consider these borderline?

[UNT90]

Who were the borderline 3 stars? Considering these are awarded based upon HS production and college potential, what makes you consider these borderline?

I consider borderline 3 stars ones without offers from major programs (read: big 5 or the more established MWC programs).