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Whoa! Didn't realize I was in that much danger...better not ref any amateur games in Brazil! This is just crazy...really bizarre behavior here all the way around. I am thinking there may be more to this story...like some prior knowledge and personal animosity between these two that had nothing to do with the game!

Wow! Bad stuff here....

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JesseMartin Explorer

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Welcome to soccer. Where if it isn't interesting, we'll sure as hell figure out how to make it so.

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KRAM1 Rookie

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Welcome to soccer. Where if it isn't interesting, we'll sure as hell figure out how to make it so.

No Jesse...it was not me...nor would it be that gave you the -1 for that comment. Just know you are way off base. Bad boy..bad boy. The soccer gods will forever frown on you! :-)

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Just as long as they don't frown on me as much as the guys in the article. Holy crap, that's crazy.

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Ladies and Gentlemen - your host country for the World Cup!

That was actually the first thing I thought of when I read that...one of my friends wants to try to get a job working with the Cup if he renews his passport and finds something cool with lots of access. Wonder if he's read this yet.

CMJ Grand Master

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Yep. Most 3rd world countries are like that. And we're heading in that direction.

What's your meaning of the term third world? It was term coined during the Cold War, so it's rather obsolete now. If by Third World you mean "poor" -- Brazil is the 8th biggest economy in the World. So, by that definition, it is incorrect.

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What's your meaning of the term third world? It was term coined during the Cold War, so it's rather obsolete now. If by Third World you mean "poor" -- Brazil is the 8th biggest economy in the World. So, by that definition, it is incorrect.

It's not obsolete and my definition does not mean "poor". I'm talking about the "value of life" in many countries. Means nothing to some.

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KRAM1 Rookie

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What's your meaning of the term third world? It was term coined during the Cold War, so it's rather obsolete now. If by Third World you mean "poor" -- Brazil is the 8th biggest economy in the World. So, by that definition, it is incorrect.

Have you spent any time in Brazil? Most of the population lives in deep poverty on little to no wages...economy is large, yes, but that gives absolutely ZERO picture of what life is like for the majority in Brazil. Unless you have studied it or been there you have no clue.

Why do you think the police have been going into the shanty towns and clearing people out near the World Cup venues? Not because they live so nicely and have such a great life in that 8th largest economy in the world you talk about.

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Have you spent any time in Brazil? Most of the population lives in deep poverty on little to no wages...economy is large, yes, but that gives absolutely ZERO picture of what life is like for the majority in Brazil. Unless you have studied it or been there you have no clue.

Why do you think the police have been going into the shanty towns and clearing people out near the World Cup venues? Not because they live so nicely and have such a great life in that 8th largest economy in the world you talk about.

Actually I do have a friend who lives in Brazil (never been myself) -- and he gets angry at that sort of sentiment, saying it's much better than folks in USA and Europe say it is.

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It's not obsolete and my definition does not mean "poor". I'm talking about the "value of life" in many countries. Means nothing to some.

Third world meant countries not aligned with the Soviet bloc or with the West/NATO. Yes, its original meaning is obsolete.

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DeepGreen Grand Master

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Third world meant countries not aligned with the Soviet bloc or with the West/NATO. Yes, its original meaning is obsolete.

If that's the case, then DeepGreen gives it new meaning.

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According to the New Oxford American Dictionary, the definition of "Third World" is "the developing countries of Asia, Africa, and Latin America."

That's what the term has morphed into meaning because they are mostly the same countries. Originally it meant unaligned countries in the Cold War...which also happened to be underdeveloped and hence why they had no voice in major world events.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Sauvy

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Actually I do have a friend who lives in Brazil (never been myself) -- and he gets angry at that sort of sentiment, saying it's much better than folks in USA and Europe say it is.

Appreciate your friends view..no doubt, but he does need to open his eyes a bit...it is estimated that in excess of 80% of the population of Brazil lives in poverty. Things are so what differ erect in the bigger and more touristy cities, but that means little to the masses.

Hey, I agree that Brazil is doing some really great things with its economy these days, and appreciate the efforts being made...and no, I personally do not consider it "third world", but given any standard, the vast majority of residents are very poorly provided for and most are missing out on the best of these economic gains. However, compared to several of its neighbors, yep...doing pretty darn well. Especially if you are an ex-pat working in one of the larger cities.

Hope you friend gets to go to the World Cup games...in Brazil they will be fantastic!

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That's what the term has morphed into meaning because they are mostly the same countries. Originally it meant unaligned countries in the Cold War...which also happened to be underdeveloped and hence why they had no voice in major world events.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Sauvy

Etymology provides informative background, but it really doesn't define meaning. Otherwise "idiot" would still mean "one's own" or "private." "Prevent" would still mean "precede" or "go before." "Gay" would still mean "happy." I think most people readily understand "Third World" to refer to underdeveloped countries in places other than North America and Europe.

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Etymology provides informative background, but it really doesn't define meaning. Otherwise "idiot" would still mean "one's own" or "private." "Prevent" would still mean "precede" or "go before." "Gay" would still mean "happy." I think most people readily understand "Third World" to refer to underdeveloped countries in places other than North America and Europe.

Do we call Russia or China second world? Second world has no meaning whatsoever anymore. The reason for the terminology has ceased to even exist.

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Do we call Russia or China second world? Second world has no meaning whatsoever anymore. The reason for the terminology has ceased to even exist.

Can't ever be too PC these days. Come on folks let's play nice and not hurt anyone's feelings. You know it's always a super advanced nation where one cannot flush the toilet paper along with the crap-ola because the sewer system cannot handle it.

Be nice folks...hey, even in Costa Rica, one of the more advanced economies and democracies in Central America, you cannot flush the tp. And, while a good portion of the population lives well, comparatively speaking, there is much need in the rural areas for improvement in living standards. Unless, of course, you consider $400/month a great wage.

I would never refer to Costa Rica as second or third world..nor would I Brazil, but that term is far from obsolete in many parts of the globe...unless, of course, it is not PCenough for you.

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