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glick1980 Community Regular

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I know most people thought him being drafted would be great pub for our school, but every article seems to bash us as the reason why Mitchell didn't do as well as he should have.

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I know most people thought him being drafted would be great pub for our school, but every article seems to bash us as the reason why Mitchell didn't do as well as he should have.

Well duh.

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emmitt01 Grand Master

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I know most people thought him being drafted would be great pub for our school, but every article seems to bash us as the reason why Mitchell didn't do as well as he should have.

You mean every writer outside of our fan base is honest? How novel.

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Andrew Grand Master

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You mean every writer outside of our fan base is honest? How novel.

So now you are admitting that even under Johhny he did not flourish? Johhny was a good coach but Mitchell never prospered here... Not under Johhny and not under Benford.

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CMJ Grand Master

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So now you are admitting that even under Johhny he did not flourish? Johhny was a good coach but Mitchell never prospered here... Not under Johhny and not under Benford.

He only played 2 thirds of his freshman season, and probably took half of that time to even get in true game shape. He had no preason workouts with the team or anything.

Not to mention, i do think he improved from his first couple of games to the end of that season.

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emmitt01 Grand Master

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So now you are admitting that even under Johhny he did not flourish? Johhny was a good coach but Mitchell never prospered here... Not under Johhny and not under Benford.

Gee, I don't know.

After a year under JJ...pretty much a consensus that he was a lottery pick.

A year under Bumford...pretty much a consensus that he might go late in the first round.

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jdennis82 Community Regular

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Gee, I don't know.

After a year under JJ...pretty much a consensus that he was a lottery pick.

A year under Bumford...pretty much a consensus that he might go late in the first round.

Matt Barkley returned for his senior year, didn't go through a coaching change, yet still managed to find his draft stock plummet. Is that possible?

Oh, because he's evaluated with more of a fine-tooth comb during that additional year picking apart the flaws in his game.

That's why this argument needs to be put to bed. From the distance we are all at, it's not worth debating - both sides can be made.

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emmitt01 Grand Master

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Matt Barkley returned for his senior year, didn't go through a coaching change, yet still managed to find his draft stock plummet. Is that possible?

Oh, because he's evaluated with more of a fine-tooth comb during that additional year picking apart the flaws in his game.

That's why this argument needs to be put to bed. From the distance we are all at, it's not worth debating - both sides can be made.

Perhaps I missed Tony's shoulder injury. You know, because throwing the basketball is his main job.

Oh, he didn't have one?

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MeanGreenTexan Grand Master

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So now you are admitting that even under Johhny he did not flourish? Johhny was a good coach but Mitchell never prospered here... Not under Johhny and not under Benford.

So averaging a double-double and over 3 blocks/game is not flourishing/prospering?

What is "flourishing" or "prospering"?

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Matt Barkley returned for his senior year, didn't go through a coaching change, yet still managed to find his draft stock plummet. Is that possible?

Oh, because he's evaluated with more of a fine-tooth comb during that additional year picking apart the flaws in his game.

That's why this argument needs to be put to bed. From the distance we are all at, it's not worth debating - both sides can be made.

I didn't watch USC closely this year. Did 97% of Matt Barkley's teammates regress this season as well?

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UNT90 Newbie

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I know most people thought him being drafted would be great pub for our school, but every article seems to bash us as the reason why Mitchell didn't do as well as he should have.

Valid criticism.

Player development is part of coaching. Benford failed miserably with a 1st round talent.

Why wouldn't we be criticized?

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CMJ Grand Master

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I didn't watch USC closely this year. Did 97% of Matt Barkley's teammates regress this season as well?

Pretty much. They underachieved as much our basketball team did, if not worse.

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Mean Green 93-98 Grand Master

Mean Green 93-98

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Gee, I don't know.

After a year under JJ...pretty much a consensus that he was a lottery pick.

A year under Bumford...pretty much a consensus that he might go late in the first round.

The point being that the article said "the past few years," i.e., apparently including his time with J.J.

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meangreener Newbie

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Well, of course they put us down. We had one of the best talents in the NBA draft. We didn't even bother to use him correctly and half the time Benford wouldn't even START the same guy. I brought my Dad to the UNT/UTA game and he was like "Where's this Tony Mitchell guy you speak so highly of?"

I think Tony Mitchell's situation may very well be a dagger in our basketball team's future.

UNT's basketball program...Benford'd

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jdennis82 Community Regular

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Perhaps I missed Tony's shoulder injury. You know, because throwing the basketball is his main job.

Oh, he didn't have one?

There's no perfect comparison, but similar to TMitch, Barkley was tasked with leading a team with high expectations entering the year. They both found their teams decimated by injury and under-performed themselves. With the increased scrutiny, flaws in their game were exposed.

My point was simply that placing all the blame on Benford is irresponsible as Barkley didn't have a coaching change to blame.

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Andrew Grand Master

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There's no perfect comparison, but similar to TMitch, Barkley was tasked with leading a team with high expectations entering the year. They both found their teams decimated by injury and under-performed themselves. With the increased scrutiny, flaws in their game were exposed.

My point was simply that placing all the blame on Benford is irresponsible as Barkley didn't have a coaching change to blame.

Logic does not work here.... We only deal with emotion and insecurity here. Just blame one man for all the problems in the world and you will be ok. Otherwise maybe stick to the football boards. It is a little bit better over there.

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Logic does not work here.... We only deal with emotion and insecurity here. Just blame one man for all the problems in the world and you will be ok. Otherwise maybe stick to the football boards. It is a little bit better over there.

Incorrect. Logic has no home on the football board and hasn't for YEARS.

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Andrew Grand Master

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He will go top 14. Mark it.

And who if anybody has ever argued that he was not a potential lottery pick?

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emmitt01 Grand Master

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And who if anybody has ever argued that he was not a potential lottery pick?

Several members of our fan base told me in Hot Springs that there was no way Tony would be a lottery pick. One went so far as to say he wouldn't be drafted.

Oh, and there was massive conjecture on their part that players from the 70's (who I'm certain must have gone on to fruitful NBA careers) would work Tony over if they were around.

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Several members of our fan base told me in Hot Springs that there was no way Tony would be a lottery pick. One went so far as to say he wouldn't be drafted.

Oh, and there was massive conjecture on their part that players from the 70's (who I'm certain must have gone on to fruitful NBA careers) would work Tony over if they were around.

And I recall a number of people who claimed to have talked to NBA scouts during games who said They were told he wouldn't even be drafted. That was laughable

I still don't think he goes in lottery , but I can't see him falling past mid 20s.. I think anywhere from 15-24 is where he will land

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