Fallon Fox

[NT03]

I'm not sure how many of you follow MMA , but here is a story for you.

Fox is a man turned woman who is now fighting women in MMA

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mma-cagewriter/fallon-fox-cleared-wrongdoing-obtaining-license-clearing-way-182721169--mma.html

[UNT90]

The ultimate cheater.

[meangreendork]

The ultimate cheater.

Not really. If she's fighting in her weight class, then she's just as likely to get her jaw knocked out of place as anyone else. The only reason why gender would ever be a factor in a fight is physical size, and MMA sorts that out just like any other fighting league.

[MeanGreenTexan]

This is really odd. Can't believe they approved this.

[MeanGreenTexan]

Not really. If she's fighting in her weight class, then she's just as likely to get her jaw knocked out of place as anyone else. The only reason why gender would ever be a factor in a fight is physical size, and MMA sorts that out just like any other fighting league.

Wait,

Are you saying that a 175 lb female is just as strong as a 175 lb male? Both training at the same frequency?

[Green P1]

Woulda ya?

Or.

Foot pic plz.

[meangreendork]

Wait,

Are you saying that a 175 lb female is just as strong as a 175 lb male? Both training at the same frequency?

Depends on the frame. For the sake of ceterus paribus, if we had a thing where a man and woman at 5'9" 120 were put through the same training program, starting at the same fitness level with the same trainers and the same nutrition, they'd probably be about the same strength. I mean, the assumption is that a man and woman of the same weight starting at the same base fitness level and same frame would end up with roughly the same muscle composition and muscle density.

Edited April 6, 2013 by meangreendork

[UNTLifer]

Depends on the frame. For the sake of ceterus paribus, if we had a thing where a man and woman at 5'9" 120 were put through the same training program, starting at the same fitness level with the same trainers and the same nutrition, they'd probably be about the same strength. I mean, the assumption is that a man and woman of the same weight starting at the same base fitness level and same frame would end up with roughly the same muscle composition and muscle density.

Not going to happen. For example, women do not have the same levels of testosterone as men.

[UNTLifer]

The comments on that article are hilarious.

[meangreendork]

Not going to happen. For example, women do not have the same levels of testosterone as men.

You're right and wrong at the same time. My argument was about the same way.

Trained at the same pace, starting at the same fitness level, the male will likely come out stronger at the end of a training period of however many months simply since his hormones will likely get him to 175lbs faster. But if the woman gets enough time to hit 175lbs (which will take a long damn time), she'll probably be the same strength level as the guy at the same weight.

But in the case of Fallon Fox, she's in the right weight class of about 130-150. Idk what her height is, but since she was born a man, she's probably taller than most of the women fighters and that part is probably cheating.

Edited April 6, 2013 by meangreendork

[UNT90]

It would, but it would probably take longer for exactly the reason you stated.

No, it wouldn't.

Do you really think Brittany Griner can play in the NBA? Really?

She would get destroyed in the NBADL or in Europe.

There are basic physiological differences between men and women.

[meangreendork]

No, it wouldn't.

Do you really think Brittany Griner can play in the NBA? Really?

She would get destroyed in the NBADL or in Europe.

There are basic physiological differences between men and women.

Seems like you're mistaking, "can a woman hit 175lbs of muscle?" with "will every woman hit 175lbs of muscle?" Because the answers are, "yes" and, "no." Could a woman hit that weight? Sure, but she'd be some sort of crazy stats outlier, and be built like a Siberian lumberjack. Will every woman hit that weight? No, hell, not every man will hit that weight.

But none of this really has anything to do with Fox being in her weight class. She's won and been in two fights, one against someone that's 5'2" and one against someone 10lbs lighter. I think she's as likely to get her teeth knocked in as anyone else. Hell, I think the fact she won't try for UFC women's means she doesn't have the skill to win there.

And Griner?

She has the height and weight, but she doesn't have the muscle to keep from being a pinball. I mean, more power if she can do it, but odds aren't really in her favor.

Edited April 6, 2013 by meangreendork

[Green Mean]

If a man turns into a women then doesn't the testosterone go down with all the hormones you have to take for the whole procedure? So I am not sure if it is really an unfair advantage.

[SCREAMING EAGLE-66]

The ultimate cheater.

.

This may be the first time in the history of the world that I agree with you.

Situation reminds me of an old saying ---" You can put lipstick on a pig but it is still a pig".

"She" is what "she" was... whether "she" likes it or not. (my opinion)

Edited April 11, 2013 by SCREAMING EAGLE-66