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Army of Dad · March 13, 2013

Why do people keepnsaying this... No one is transferring! Well outside of PJ I believe but even that may not happen...

Maybe because the same coach that looked clueless on the sidelines and handed out suspensions like candy on Halloween might run off players. There are plenty of players on this team that have enough eligibility left to transfer out of this mess.

Hard to blame them for doing what many fans have already done. There were more people at the 'midnight' madness event than at the last couple of home games.

UNT90 · March 13, 2013

Maybe because the same coach that looked clueless on the sidelines and handed out suspensions like candy on Halloween might run off players. There are plenty of players on this team that have enough eligibility left to transfer out of this mess.
Hard to blame them for doing what many fans have already done. There were more people at the 'midnight' madness event than at the last couple of home games.

The sad thing is that many casual non-followers of UNT basketball probably heard all the pre-season hype and kept one eye on the program, only to sigh and mumble "typical North Texas" as the season progressed, confirming what al their friends tell them every day.

And ya, Andy, JJ taught soft defense in practice. That;s it. That's what got us to 3 straight SBC finals and 2 NCAA tourneys. Not playing defense in practice.

You are either the dumbest basketball person on the planet or this is the greastest bit ever.

Andrew · March 13, 2013

Where did I say JJ taught them soft defense?

Censored by Laurie · March 13, 2013

The ignorant caricature of JJ and complete diminishment of his accomplishments that has developed here in the 9 months since his departure might be the most pathetic thing to develop from this season.

Army of Dad · March 13, 2013

The ignorant caricature of JJ and complete diminishment of his accomplishments that has developed here in the 9 months since his departure might be the most pathetic thing to develop from this season.

That's a bold statement considering how pathetic things are right now.

Mean Green 93-98 · March 13, 2013

The ignorant caricature of JJ and complete diminishment of his accomplishments that has developed here in the 9 months since his departure might be the most pathetic thing to develop from this season.

Wait, let me get this straight. . . . You are suggesting that people are less appreciative of J.J. after this past year?

emmitt01 · March 13, 2013

Wait, let me get this straight. . . . You are suggesting that people are less appreciative of J.J. after this past year?

No, just that some...for lack of a single redeeming quality in Benford's coaching...have resorted to diminishing JJ to excuse the fall off.

Kinda like diminishing Dodge to excuse Mac...only in Dodge's case he didn't leave behind a team clearly capable of winning the Belt.

Edited March 13, 2013 by emmitt01

Censored by Laurie · March 13, 2013

Wait, let me get this straight. . . . You are suggesting that people are less appreciative of J.J. after this past year?

Seems crazy, right?

KRAM1 · March 13, 2013

Yep...about as crazy as the many folks who were not big JJ fans in the past now claiming he was the second coming of Jesus Christ in a BB suit. Big stretch to say anyone is knocking what JJ did here, but so many are trying to hold the guy up for sainthood that it is as funny (?) as folks claim the opposite is on here. JJ did great things for this program, but I also recall seeing many of the same "let's anoint him for sainthood" folks once saying stuff like "good coach, but can't seem to get us past the first round", and other such nonsense.

Nonsense is nonsense...no matter what reason one ascribes to regarding the recently concluded season. The "hyperbole and ignorance" certainly flows from both camps.

foutsrouts · March 13, 2013

Benford makes Jimmy Gales look like the second coming and Trilli look like Moses. I can't even find a way to compare JJ to Benford since they never told me who created God in Sunday school.

Green P1 · March 13, 2013

We just need to shut the basketball forum down until Benford is dead or gone. There is absolutely no reason for discussion as long as he's the head coach.

Nothing is allowed to be his fault and dumping on players current or past gets you nowhere. There is literally nothing that can be said about this mess as long as he's the coach.

Edited March 13, 2013 by Green P1

KRAM1 · March 13, 2013

We just need to shut the basketball forum down until Benford is dead or gone. There is absolutely no reason for discussion as long as he's the head coach.
Nothing is allowed to be his fault and dumping on players current or past gets you nowhere. There is literally nothing that can be said about this mess as long as he's the coach.

Seriously...and miss all these great P1 sermons? No way...I live to read this thread! Translation...we should shut this board down because not everyone agrees with GreenP1. Got it! Like others have been told many times...you are perfectly free to not read it if it pains you so much. Seems to me that's it has always been a personal choice.

But, please don't leave us...there are times when I actually agree with you...as painful as that might be for both of us, right? :thumbsu: :judge:

GrandGreen · March 13, 2013

I don't get the argument at all. NT just competed the most disappointing season in any major sport and some are comparing the coach of that debacle with JJ. I think based on what Benford had on the team, he coached the worse season performance I have seen in my over 4 decades of following the Green.

Some mention, Trilli but it is not even close based on the small Benford sample. Trilli and/or Helwig had the scheme to only play the best. Trilli's first year was not bad, that team played very hard but just didn't have the talent (no Trilli recruits), Trilli in my mind did the lowest thing of any NT coach, when he didn't renew most of his first teams' scholarships. He than attempted to play a nightmare schedule with most oc on the road with a team of primarily freshmen with a few transfers. Those first two years, with Trilli recruits; NT was clobbered despite having some good young talent. Then about year four of Trilli ball, no one wanted to play for him and his losing program and the wheels came completely off.

I mention Trilli for a few reasons, one he never had anywhere close to the talent that Benford inherited. He also began play in a stronger conference than the Belt. Also I think Trilli for all his problems, was a better game time coach than Benford. However, the biggest harbinger to me is that after Trilli a renowned recruiter after a couple of bad seasons; could not give away scholarships. I think after this year, Benford like Trilli is going to find it tough to recruit against anyone.

Can Benford turn it around, IMO the odds are heavily against him after a horrible start. Whether the players love or hate him, I don't see many having any confidence in his program. Likewise, I don't see many out there with options, wanting to jump abroad the Benford train.