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NT03 · March 9, 2013

UIL championship games all day going on down in Austin. Believe all are available at FSSouthwest.com

Lonestar Confernce Championship tonight in Allen. Midwestern State vs Tarelton State. I may go to that

SWAC tournament in Garland next weekend

Or if you are done with hoops , you have 175 more days till football season begins

Edited March 9, 2013 by NT03

GrandGreen · March 9, 2013

Believe me, I've had all the basketball I need for a long while. I just hope I can work up some kind of enthusiasm for next season.

NT03 · March 9, 2013

Believe me, I've had all the basketball I need for a long while. I just hope I can work up some kind of enthusiasm for next season.

Only reason I'll probably go to Allen is because I went to & grew up a MSU fan. They had some very good NAIA teams back in the day

If UNT & MSU played right now , I'm not sure who would win

Edited March 9, 2013 by NT03

Cooley · March 10, 2013

Just returned from Austin. Ready for AAU now.

NT03 · March 10, 2013

Just returned from Austin. Ready for AAU now.

How bad were the boos @ AAA ?

Cooley · March 10, 2013

OMG! What did they do to deserve them? Wasn't bad until the post game celebration. I thought Mumford was a very good 1A team and I could see why they had been undefeated. Their fans really pissed me off with the booing. Everyone in the arena gave Mumford a well deserved applause for the runner-up trophy but their fans showed a lack of class toward Triple A. They just got their asses kicked by a much better team; without their best player. (Everyone returns next year and most in 2014-2015 when the UIL moves them to 3A)

GrandGreen · March 10, 2013

OMG! What did they do to deserve them? Wasn't bad until the post game celebration. I thought Mumford was a very good 1A team and I could see why they had been undefeated. Their fans really pissed me off with the booing. Everyone in the arena gave Mumford a well deserved applause for the runner-up trophy but their fans showed a lack of class toward Triple A. They just got their asses kicked by a much better team; without their best player. (Everyone returns next year and most in 2014-2015 when the UIL moves them to 3A)

So you think a loaded basketball charter school should be applauded for beating a legitimate class A team.

Nothing against the kids playing, but their inclusion in class A is a joke. I doubt the fans were booing the players but the insane situation of an undefeated legit Class A team having to play a team filled with athletes the average class A team won't get in a century. If I were a Mumford fan, I would be plenty upset.

NT03 · March 10, 2013

Former UALR Trojan Chuck Guy wins MVP as Tarelton beats MSU 53-50

Snap Peters is sitting this year out for MSU. Funny , because he originally planned on going to Tarelton after JUCO

unt_rocket09 · March 10, 2013

AAA was booed bc they created a school solely for basketball. They can recruit from all of Dallas ISD and compete at the 1a level. I don't know if you know this, but 1a schools have less than 200 kids in their school, and that is the largest amount. AAA will come back to earth when they play in 3a, but still have no business in the UIL. Charters in the UIL is a joke! Congrats to the AAU team from AAA, everyone in Texas knows you are good, but it's not fair for the legitimate 1a schools from Mumford, Stamford and such. Those are true small town, 1a schools.

KRAM1 · March 10, 2013

To even let a "school"...and I use that term loosely here...like AAA play in UIL sports is beyond the pale of stupidity! I suppose everyone at the UIL was afraid of lawsuits more than they were fairness.

Should ALWAYS be an asterisk beside this "win". As long as such "schools" as AAA are allowed UIL BB will be a joke at whatever level they are allowed to compete within!

Just my opinion...

unt_rocket09 · March 10, 2013

And it's not just basketball. It is football and track as well. At our regional track meet we will run into a slew of charter schools with an unfair advantage.

Cooley · March 10, 2013

This is a UIL issue that they have never faced before. The UIL has decided to move charter schools up to 3A regardless of enrollment in 2014-2015. The school and players have not done anything wrong. Triple A has a total of 117 students (per UIL). Yes, folks were booing the players and not the UIL. Triple A does not have a senior class and the majority of players were 15 or 16 years old.

Flower Mound Marcus was not booed the past two years at the state tournament despite documented proof that they recruit/cheat. When the well went dry, Head Coach Danny Henderson went to Duncanville. Houston Yates recruits the greater Houston area annually but I guess it is expected more at the 5A or 4A level. Triple A provides an option for parents in SW Dallas County to send their kids to a school focused on academics and yes athletics. Many of the kids could have attended DeSoto, Cedar Hill, Duncanville and started. It is not just about athletics. What satisfaction is there to dominate your 1A opponents by 50 points per game and not play more than 30% of the game?

The best player on the team (King McClure) family founded the school (Focus Academy) a few years ago. The Athletic Director/Coach's (Tim Singleton) son is the starting point guard. The MVP of the tournament (Jeremiah Jefferson) sister Moriah was home schooled last year and a McDonald's All-American and starter for UConn this past season. The Jefferson's were looking for a better academic option and chose Triple A for Jeremiah. 2 other kids parents are on staff. I don't know where the other kids came from but all live within 15 minutes of the school.

Legal recruiting/cheating is rampart all across Texas; (Large and small) but mostly in the surburbs. Anyone think that building a 60 million HS football stadium didn't help recruit Tyler Murrey to Allen (Quarterback) prior to the season? Wouldn't 60 million have been better spent in opening up a second high school? Fans want a competitive advantage. Inner-city schools in football can't compete with surburban schools and large communities town. Shouldn't the UIL and the Mumford fans bitch about this? If Triple A hadn't rained on their parade would they even care? Spare me the hypocrisy.

GrandGreen · March 10, 2013

This is a UIL issue that they have never faced before. The UIL has decided to move charter schools up to 3A regardless of enrollment in 2014-2015. The school and players have not done anything wrong. Triple A has a total of 117 students (per UIL). Yes, folks were booing the players and not the UIL. Triple A does not have a senior class and the majority of players were 15 or 16 years old.

Flower Mound Marcus was not booed the past two years at the state tournament despite documented proof that they recruit/cheat. When the well went dry, Head Coach Danny Henderson went to Duncanville. Houston Yates recruits the greater Houston area annually but I guess it is expected more at the 5A or 4A level. Triple A provides an option for parents in SW Dallas County to send their kids to a school focused on academics and yes athletics. Many of the kids could have attended DeSoto, Cedar Hill, Duncanville and started. It is not just about athletics. What satisfaction is there to dominate your 1A opponents by 50 points per game and not play more than 30% of the game?

The best player on the team (King McClure) family founded the school (Focus Academy) a few years ago. The Athletic Director/Coach's (Tim Singleton) son is the starting point guard. The MVP of the tournament (Jeremiah Jefferson) sister Moriah was home schooled last year and a McDonald's All-American and starter for UConn this past season. The Jefferson's were looking for a better academic option and chose Triple A for Jeremiah. 2 other kids parents are on staff. I don't know where the other kids came from but all live within 15 minutes of the school.

Legal recruiting/cheating is rampart all across Texas; (Large and small) but mostly in the surburbs. Anyone think that building a 60 million HS football stadium didn't help recruit Tyler Murrey to Allen (Quarterback) prior to the season? Wouldn't 60 million have been better spent in opening up a second high school? Fans want a competitive advantage. Inner-city schools in football can't compete with surburban schools and large communities town. Shouldn't the UIL and the Mumford fans bitch about this? If Triple A hadn't rained on their parade would they even care? Spare me the hypocrisy.

So because other schools recruit, that makes it ok? As far as recruiting, maybe the UIL needs to go back to the old rules that any transfer will not be eligible for a year. Certainly, not fair; but maybe better than the mess we have now.

Hypocrisy, I think it has a little more to do with a sense of fairness. I dislike the super schools and insane amount spend on athletes; in colleges as well as high schools.

You are correct, the UIL is the one who should be booed on this one. Yes, Triple A has a class A enrollment but IMO has no business playing in class A.

They will have the same issue in 3A. Plus the other side, Charter schools without an athletic agenda will be unfairly have to play bigger schools.

unt_rocket09 · March 10, 2013

It's not a rule they will play in 3a it will be the new rule you have to compete in the smallest classification in your attendance zone. Dallas ISD has 3a schools so triple a will become 3a. Red oak life 4a etc. say what you want but it is not fair. Those kids don't have the same class rigor or schedule as other public schools. If you believe that school was set up for academic reasons then hey I have some ocean front property in Arizona to sell you.

Cooley · March 12, 2013

AAA was booed bc they created a school solely for basketball. They can recruit from all of Dallas ISD and compete at the 1a level. I don't know if you know this, but 1a schools have less than 200 kids in their school, and that is the largest amount. AAA will come back to earth when they play in 3a, but still have no business in the UIL. Charters in the UIL is a joke! Congrats to the AAU team from AAA, everyone in Texas knows you are good, but it's not fair for the legitimate 1a schools from Mumford, Stamford and such. Those are true small town, 1a schools.

Tim Arnst

Texas Roundball

When we saw the Mumford coach remark "we are still the public school champions", we decided to investigate. After all, Mumford was runnerup in 1A-Div 1 last year, and was unbeaten this year, so it was assumed that they would be back. Triple A, everyone knew was 6A and recruited the best from around DFW. Here is what we found, coach.

Transfer Dion Mack 5-9 Sr G played at Georgetown High 5A last year, and 4A this year. His father was transferred from Georgetown to College Station, our source says. But, somehow the kid ends up going to Mumford High, not to the new school in College Station and not to A&M Consolidated or Bryan High. 22.9 miles from College Station to Mumford. Now, the city of Georgetown to the town of Mumford? Right. Most anyone would rather live in Mumford if they do, than College Station, right? Right.

Next, comes their 2nd best player, Aubrie King. Looks like King is from Hearne TX, about 20 miles from Mumford across a river with no major road between the two. Looks like the father became an assistant at Mumford. And, it appears that Aubrie King's mom is the head volleyball coach at Hearne High. And, the father is the former head basketball coach of Hearne High. And, they still live in Hearne. Appears to be a move for athletic purposes, but wait, no move, kid still lives with Mom and Dad in Hearne.

We assume the top player on Mumford 2015 LaKendric Hyson actually lives in Mumford. We assume, but you know what happens when one assumes.

And, of course, we find AAU and summer ball involved: King and Mack appear on the same AAU team. Of course they do, it would be pure coincidence for a guy to move from Georgetown and one from Hearne, to Mumford, and not know each other.

So, Coach, let's not insinuate things about Triple A. Yes, they are bending and breaking the rules, but it is like the "pot calling the kettle black".

UIL is dropping the ball from top to bottom: 5A to 1A. It appears that many are breaking the rules. One of the finalists in 5A is a 6A, the other tried to recruit the star from the 4A champ and he actually went there for a week or two; both 3A finalist are 6A with Yates being the most guilty of the guilty; 4A the winner is legit, good for them, the loser is one of the worst cheaters in the history of UIL if not the worst; and apparently, 2A was clean and legit. Come on UIL and principals, clean it up or get out of the business.

Edited March 12, 2013 by Cooley

unt_rocket09 · March 12, 2013

You really think AAA doesn't have an advantage huh? Go look at their curriculum on the school website. I'm telling you the school was created only for basketball. Also they can turn away any kid they please at AAA. Mumford, Roxton, hell Honey Grove (where I coach) have to take who lives in their zones. It's not the same buddy.

Cooley · March 13, 2013

You really think AAA doesn't have an advantage huh? Go look at their curriculum on the school website. I'm telling you the school was created only for basketball. Also they can turn away any kid they please at AAA. Mumford, Roxton, hell Honey Grove (where I coach) have to take who lives in their zones. It's not the same buddy.

Triple A (Focus Academy) was created a number of years before they had a sports program. Initially K1-3rd/4th grade. Athletics IS very much a focus of the school as it is with most schools. Just because Allen High or Duncanville ("City of Champions") don't tout that on their site doesn't mean sports is not a focus.

Mumford High isn't any different than Allen, Duncanville or smaller communities around the state. They all throw excessive money into their sports programs with the goal to be the best. Like Triple A, and others, they bend the rules to their advantage with the best of them. I've heard a great number of stories over the years about what goes on in the smaller towns. The emphasis on winning is just as great as it is in metropolitan areas. Yes, I do feel that places like Mumford have a competitive advantage. (Not so much in basketball but in all other sports)

So I guess what I am reading is that, although these small schools cheat, the UIL should keep them separate from the big city cheaters. (Though enrollment numbers are the same or smaller) Due to the close proximity of kids in urban areas, there is more movement between schools annually. Per capita, probably more in rural communities. When Mumford, and others, point their finger at a school like Triple A, there are always three pointing right back at them. Good discussion. I'm done on this one

http://www.rockdalereporter.com/news/2009-07-23/sports/057.html

Edited March 14, 2013 by Cooley

unt_rocket09 · March 13, 2013

The point is these charters do not have the same regulations as regular public schools. The kids do not have the same curriculum to follow. It is an unfair advantage. Do some research on this. I know kids move for athletic purposes in all schools, but they it is not the same. These charters do not follow the same rules. You honestly do not know what you are talking about. Ask any administrator.

Cooley · March 14, 2013

The point is these charters do not have the same regulations as regular public schools. The kids do not have the same curriculum to follow. It is an unfair advantage. Do some research on this. I know kids move for athletic purposes in all schools, but they it is not the same. These charters do not follow the same rules. You honestly do not know what you are talking about. Ask any administrator.

Thought I was through with this topic but Mumford can't stay out of the news:

http://texasroundball.yuku.com/topic/11220/Shed-tears-Mumford-worse-Triple-far

unt_rocket09 · March 15, 2013

Mumford is still a PUBLIC school. I know players move around. If you think AAA doesn't have an unfair advantage then you just don't get it. They have a different curriculum than a public school, different rules, etc. I'm not saying kids don'tove for athletic reasons in public schools. I know this happens. But it is apples and oranges.

Cooley · March 15, 2013

Mumford is still a PUBLIC school. I know players move around. If you think AAA doesn't have an unfair advantage then you just don't get it. They have a different curriculum than a public school, different rules, etc. I'm not saying kids don'tove for athletic reasons in public schools. I know this happens. But it is apples and oranges.

Never said that Triple A (Attitude, Academics, Athletics) was a public school. We will just have to disagree about who has an unfair advantage. Mumford states that 90% of their entire student body comes from outside the district's boundaries. (for academics) My only point was/is that they cheat with the best of them and their sorry fans should not have booed Triple A.

Of course I am not the only person that shares this opinion:

http://texasroundball.yuku.com/topic/11220/Shed-tears-Mumford-worse-Triple-far

"Mumford with a 90 percent transfer rate, is no more a public school than AAA or Prime or anyone else that has no boundaries and allows unlimited transfers. There is absolutely no difference in Mumford and AAA regardless of what the coach of Mumford says. So, if Mumford and their supporters want to throw stones at AAA, let's make them both play at the highest class of any of their transfers. That would be 4A since Georgetown is a 4A school, and one kid moved for academics from Georgetown to Mumford. The coach didn't tell us that the kid who moved from Georgetown was on the same AAU team as 2 others, and a father had formed the AAU team with his wife.

But, who wouldn't believe the move was for academics? And, they chose Mumford High on their own without speaking to the 2 AAU teammates or their parents. Wow.

Coach Sodek also doesn't address in detail what started all of this. His fans and he were calling Triple A cheaters. But, a quick look at AAA and one can see they are using loopholes just like Mumford. AAA has athletes whose parents are employees of AAA, so does Mumford. The major difference is that Triple A has no transfers who needed signoffs from previous schools. They all entered at the 8th or 9th grade level. So, both use loopholes and Mumford has a ton of players who have never lived in Mumford and still don't. Mumford is more like a charter school. Mumford diapers are more soiled than AAA's. Mumford supporters and parents flooded UIL offices with emails, calls, etc asking for AAA to be investigated and accusing them of cheating, both before and after they played.

The moral of the story is don't complain and accuse without looking at your own diaper first. Your diaper may be more dirty than the other baby's."