DT Top 10 All Time At UNT

CurveItAround · October 10, 2012

From this week's game notes:

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Thompson also climbed into the top-10 all-time in career passing yards at North Texas.

Thompson crossed the 3,000 yard mark, only the 10th player in school history to do so, and

sits with 3,147 career passing yards, which ranks 9th all-time.

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This makes me sad to think how poor our QB play has been over the years. 3,000 yards is a decent season at some programs.

Greenhorn · October 10, 2012

That's an unbelievable stat and a very telling one IMO.

KRAM1 · October 10, 2012

You know what they say about statistics. Personally, I think DT will lead this team to several more wins This Year! We'll see DT compete for the job again next year and I fully expect him to be UNT'S number one starting next season. This kid CAN play and he can get the job done. Sure, he has struggled a bit this season, but he will "right the ship" and we will all see the DT we know as a leader and a darn fine QB lead the Mean Green to victory over LaLa next Tuesday.. Be there to see it! You won't be disappointed.

I know...I know...lots of naysayers here, and lots of folks who can coach and evaluate players better than the current Mean Green coaching staff, but I'm going to keep believing that this team can make the steps necessary to show that they can win and win on a regular basis.

See, I am now over my funk of the Troy game....and hangover from the Houston game. Let's go Mean Green Nation. Fill Apogee to at least 22,000 on Tuesday and beat LaLa...do so and watch how the "jumping ship" reverses and all the talk quickly turns to what a great coaching staff and QB UNT has.....funny how tat works.

OK, I just didn't want anyone to think that I run out of green stuff to drink....I think it was lots and lots of green beer.

foutsrouts · October 10, 2012

From this week's game notes:

...
Thompson also climbed into the top-10 all-time in career passing yards at North Texas.
Thompson crossed the 3,000 yard mark, only the 10th player in school history to do so, and
sits with 3,147 career passing yards, which ranks 9th all-time.

...

This makes me sad to think how poor our QB play has been over the years. 3,000 yards is a decent season at some programs.

Football in Texas was historically 3 (or 4) yards`and a cloud of dust. This new fangled passing thing has really only been around this part of the world since the 1990's. Not surprising that he's moving up the record book ladder.

Rudy · October 10, 2012

If it were all abut stats, then Romo would be a Super Bowl MVP.

UNTcrazy727 · October 10, 2012

You know what they say about statistics. Personally, I think DT will lead this team to several more wins This Year! We'll see DT compete for the job again next year and I fully expect him to be UNT'S number one starting next season. This kid CAN play and he can get the job done. Sure, he has struggled a bit this season, but he will "right the ship" and we will all see the DT we know as a leader and a darn fine QB lead the Mean Green to victory over LaLa next Tuesday.. Be there to see it! You won't be disappointed.

I know...I know...lots of naysayers here, and lots of folks who can coach and evaluate players better than the current Mean Green coaching staff, but I'm going to keep believing that this team can make the steps necessary to show that they can win and win on a regular basis.

See, I am now over my funk of the Troy game....and hangover from the Houston game. Let's go Mean Green Nation. Fill Apogee to at least 22,000 on Tuesday and beat LaLa...do so and watch how the "jumping ship" reverses and all the talk quickly turns to what a great coaching staff and QB UNT has.....funny how tat works.

OK, I just didn't want anyone to think that I run out of green stuff to drink....I think it was lots and lots of green beer.

Struggled a bit? All DT has done this year is struggle. Even the passes he completes are wobbly or straight ducks. He doesn't have the talent to be a starting DI QB. I don't know what you've seen that makes you think otherwise.

CurveItAround · October 10, 2012

The purpose of the original post was to show that he hasn't performed as bad as it seems on the surface. In the bigger scheme of things, he is climing our all time chart in terms of yards (currently 9th and 100yds away from #7). He is currently 5th all time in passing efficiency and 4th all time in completion percentage.

I get the fact that it has been frustrating to watch at times, and there are some types of throws that he has really struggled with this year, but when you look a little deeper he seems to have some ability. If he finishes out this year and keeps his starting job next year, he will end up near the top of several all time lists, yet here we are talking about replacing him with practically an unknown. Sometimes the devil you know is better than the one you don't.

Someone sarcastically compared DT to Romo. I don't see that, but I see characteristics more similar of another certain Cowboy's quarterback that struggled with certain routes, but excelled at throwing short, precise routes and relied on a strong running game and defense. Things started rough for him in his first couple of seasons, and there was some talk about replacing him during those first couple of seasons, but things worked out pretty well in the end.

At the end of the day, the biggest reason for our struggles this season is that we played a team that was a 42 point favorite and one that was 28 point favorite on the road. Outside of that, we are 2-2 and could easily be 3-1. When these kids have a fighting chance, they are gamers and getting better all the time.

GrandGreen · October 10, 2012

Football in Texas was historically 3 (or 4) yards`and a cloud of dust. This new fangled passing thing has really only been around this part of the world since the 1990's. Not surprising that he's moving up the record book ladder.

Never heard of Steve Ramsey? There have been plenty of good passing QB's at NT in the last fifty years. Dickey is probably the most run oriented coach NT has had in that period. McCarney may be second.

UNT 90 Grad · October 10, 2012

This makes me sad to think how poor our QB play has been over the years. 3,000 yards is a decent season at some programs.

I think this is also a reflection on some of the short lived QB careers at UNT as well. If Vizza had stayed longer, I think he'd be up there, for example.

NT1978 · October 10, 2012

That's an unbelievable stat and a very telling one IMO.

You want an unbelievable stat?

D Thompson in his first year had a 100% completion rate

Averaged 20 yards per pass and

One in three passes went for touchdowns

SilverEagle · October 10, 2012

Where is the link to this updated historical data?

UNT 90 Grad · October 10, 2012

You want an unbelievable stat?
D Thompson in his first year had a 100% completion rate
Averaged 20 yards per pass and
One in three passes went for touchdowns

Even more amazing was that those statistics didn't translate to a single win.

Monkeypox · October 10, 2012

I think this is also a reflection on some of the short lived QB careers at UNT as well. If Vizza had stayed longer, I think he'd be up there, for example.

This is really what I thought. We've had such inconsistency at the position over recent years that nobody has managed to accumulate these sort of numbers..

CurveItAround · October 10, 2012

I think this is also a reflection on some of the short lived QB careers at UNT as well. If Vizza had stayed longer, I think he'd be up there, for example.

Vizza is on the list by the way.

Just for curiosity sake, here are UNT's all time leaders going into this season. DT now has 3,147 yds through 18 starts:

1. Mitch Maher, 1991-94 8,519

2. Steve Ramsey, 1967-69 7.076

3. Scott Davis, 1987-90 6,923

4. Scott Hall, 2000-04 5,975

5. Giovanni Vizza, 2007-08 5,146

6. Jason Mills, 1994-97 3,981

7. Vidal Carlin, 1965-66 3,233

8. Riley Dodge, 2008-10 3,187

9. Ken Washington, 1974-77 3,040

10. Greg Carter, 1980-83 2,848

Edited October 10, 2012 by CurveItAround

cdizzle86 · October 10, 2012

It's a shame they only show the Top 10 because I haven't even played a game yet and I'm number 11.

SilverEagle · October 10, 2012

Vizza is on the list by the way.

Just for curiosity sake, here are UNT's all time leaders going into this season. DT now has 3,147 yds through 18 starts:

1. Mitch Maher, 1991-94 8,519
2. Steve Ramsey, 1967-69 7.076
3. Scott Davis, 1987-90 6,923
4. Scott Hall, 2000-04 5,975
5. Giovanni Vizza, 2007-08 5,146
6. Jason Mills, 1994-97 3,981
7. Vidal Carlin, 1965-66 3,233
8. Riley Dodge, 2008-10 3,187
9. Ken Washington, 1974-77 3,040
10. Greg Carter, 1980-83 2,848

How many of these top ten could compete for the starting job in our current system?

Two of my favorites are not even on this list and I believe they could have started this year.

foutsrouts · October 10, 2012

Vizza is on the list by the way.

Just for curiosity sake, here are UNT's all time leaders going into this season. DT now has 3,147 yds through 18 starts:

1. Mitch Maher, 1991-94 8,519
2. Steve Ramsey, 1967-69 7.076
3. Scott Davis, 1987-90 6,923
4. Scott Hall, 2000-04 5,975
5. Giovanni Vizza, 2007-08 5,146
6. Jason Mills, 1994-97 3,981
7. Vidal Carlin, 1965-66 3,233
8. Riley Dodge, 2008-10 3,187
9. Ken Washington, 1974-77 3,040
10. Greg Carter, 1980-83 2,848

I'm surprised that Jordan Case didn't make the list, but I think he was the primary starter for only two years. It also seems like he partially shared the position with another guy whose name escapes me in what I think was Case's Senior season. That was a little before my time, but about the time when I began following NT athletics.

SilverEagle · October 10, 2012

How many of these top ten could compete for the starting job in our current system?

Two of my favorites are not even on this list and I believe they could have started this year.

Case's total passing yards was about 2512. But he presided over a very balance offense. In 78 he had a (for then) record setting RB in Bernard Jackson (1400 yrds). After that he spread the offense around evenly to Charles Murry and Bruce Chambers (wrs) Ron Battle (TE) and probably the best fullback to ever play at North Texas Fred Gordon. The only statistical category where he still ranks pretty high is career completion percentage.....61%.

BTW the other QB that you are talking about is the best QB of color that ever played at North Texas.......Joe Stevenson.(#10 on your program)

H-towngreen · October 10, 2012

BTW the other QB that you are talking about is the best QB of color that ever played at North Texas.......Joe Stevenson.(#10 on your program)

Woody Wilson might have something to say about that!!!

foutsrouts · October 10, 2012

Case's total passing yards was about 2512. But he presided over a very balance offense. In 78 he had a (for then) record setting RB in Bernard Jackson (1400 yrds). After that he spread the offense around evenly to Charles Murry and Bruce Chambers (wrs) Ron Battle (TE) and probably the best fullback to ever play at North Texas Fred Gordon. The only statistical category where he still ranks pretty high is career completion percentage.....61%.

BTW the other QB that you are talking about is the best QB of color that ever played at North Texas.......Joe Stevenson.(#10 on your program)

No, I'm thinking of a different QB. For some reason I still remember a big writeup in the Dallas Times Herald featuring the two QB's standing side by side. I think I'll remember the name if I see it FWIW.

I recall NT getting some pretty nice publicity in the papers back in the late 70's in both major sports. Also, brief or not, Andrew Smith deserves some consideration for the aforementioned award.

SilverEagle · October 10, 2012

No, I'm thinking of a different QB. For some reason I still remember a big writeup in the Dallas Times Herald featuring the two QB's standing side by side. I think I'll remember the name if I see it FWIW.

I recall NT getting some pretty nice publicity in the papers back in the late 70's in both major sports. Also, brief or not, Andrew Smith deserves some consideration for the aforementioned award.

I'm looking at a 1978 pocket media guide given out to all reporters covering the mean green back then and the QB's listed were Kem Brooks transfer from Miami, Byron Bryant from Houston, and Robin Wasson from Shreveport. There was also newcomer (freshman) Carl Mitchell from Pasadena and the eventual starters, Jordan Case (Seagoville) and Joe Stevenson from Beaumont. The only QB's that I ever remember starting in 78 and 79 were Jordan Case and Joe Stevenson. I never saw anyone else out on the field.

You can consider Andrew Smith if you want, but Joe Stevenson was much better.....much much better.

Edited October 10, 2012 by SilverEagle

DeepGreen · October 10, 2012

And we rarely sign anyone from Beaumont these days.

SilverEagle · October 10, 2012

And we rarely sign anyone from Beaumont these days.

Out of the 84 players listed in that 78 media guide, 30 were from the Houston/Beaumont area.

Newfan · October 11, 2012

I'm not crazy about DT's overall management of the game, but he does a few things very well. We talk about the O-line being good and they are, but DT does a lot to help them too. He is very adept at getting rid of the ball when the pocket collapses. He doesn't turn the ball over, period. He is smart about his handoffs...sticks it right in their gut. He doesn't have "Happy Feet" like Vizza and to some extent, Dodge. I'd say, at the risk of pissing off Canales, he really just needs a big time QB coach.

Edited October 11, 2012 by Newfan

Harry · October 12, 2012

I'm not crazy about DT's overall management of the game, but he does a few things very well. We talk about the O-line being good and they are, but DT does a lot to help them too. He is very adept at getting rid of the ball when the pocket collapses. He doesn't turn the ball over, period. He is smart about his handoffs...sticks it right in their gut. He doesn't have "Happy Feet" like Vizza and to some extent, Dodge. I'd say, at the risk of pissing off Canales, he really just needs a big time QB coach.

This is true, DT is a coaches dream if you are obsessive about turnovers. He deserves credit, he's really good about that. If our defense was better DT would win us some football games without a doubt. I think Mac ultimately wants a dual threat guy, ie a DT in the passing game and turnovers with the ability to hurt a defense with his wheels.