DT vs. Berglund

The Fake Lonnie Finch · November 19, 2012

Solid sports retort.

DT has completed 58% of his passes and averages 238 a game. Again, he plays the most high profile position, so he gets the most attention when things don't go right. Now, I don't think he is perfect, but he is not as bad as some of you make him out to be. Scott Hall would have struggled without Galbreath/Thomas/Cobbs at RB, Quinn at WR and Blount at TE kind of like DT has struggled without Jimmerson, Chancellor and a true pass catching TE since Smith went down.

This. And, a lot more of this.

When asked what it takes to be a good quarterback, Ken Stabler once said, "Get your ass on a good team."

Thompson has never been on a good team.

I draw, again, on the comparison of Troy Aikman versus Tony Romo.

In a 165 game career, Aikman had:

-165 touchdown passes

-completed 61.5% of his passes

-had a QB rating of 81.6

-3.5% of his passes went for touchdowns

-3.0% of his passes were intercepted

In 115 career games, thus far, Romo has:

-162 touchdown passes

-completed 64.9% of his passes

-has a 95.5% QB rating

-5.4% of his passes have gone for touchdowns

-2.8% of his passes have been intercepted

Tony Romo has been more efficient that Aikman throughout his career. He's throw touchdown passes at a higher rate. He's thrown fewer interceptions.

And, yet, when things don't go well for Dallas, it's Romo that people bag on. Why? That's what happens, fair or not, when you are the quarterback.

Aikman, unlike Romo, had behind him what would be the NFL's all-time leading rusher in Emmit Smith, playmaking receivers Michael Irvin, Alvin Harper, and Kevin Williams, plus Jay Novacek at tight end. Aikman was also protected by an offensive line filled with perennial All-Pros.

Romo, has had dick behind him at running back, an evolving cast of ball droppers at WR, and an ever-changing offensive line. The only positive constant he's had has been tight end Jason Witten.

Thompson, like Romo, takes care of the ball. But, unfortunately, like Romo, he's never had more than one real playmaking wide receiver. He's had a good running game. And, over the past two years, a good offensive line.

Quarterbacks and coaches will always get too much credit and too much blame. I think Thompson takes on more blame than he should. It won't matter who quarterbacks the team in 2013 if we have no wide receivers step up and make plays.

I think Dan McCarney is fairly blamed for the roster predicament of lack of DL depth as well as WR depth. He's a man who doesn't make excuses, and that's refereshing. But, he's also right to say that his players, at the end of the day, need to drop the sense of entitlement from being on scholarship and make plays at game time.

I'm afraid what McCarney is finding out is that many of the kids he signed - and, that Dodge signed before him - do not care as much about winning as they may tell him to his face. Actions, as always, speak louder than words. And, this team's action - particularly at WR - show that no one cares enough to grab the opportunity given them to make plays and help the team.

Edited November 19, 2012 by The Fake Lonnie Finch

aztecskin · November 19, 2012

Maybe coach Mac is a little rusty when he doesn't have All-America defensive lineman? I'm trolling here.

In DT's defense, I'm sure he would do just fine if he had good Sun Belt defense, Lance Dunbar, and a tremendous cast of wide outs. That said, we have the worst scoring offense since 2008, and probably the least impressive complement to a great running game since Riley Dodge with Lance Dunbar's 2009 season.

Stan R · November 19, 2012

This. And, a lot more of this.

When asked what it takes to be a good quarterback, Ken Stabler once said, "Get your ass on a good team."

Thompson has never been on a good team.

I draw, again, on the comparison of Troy Aikman versus Tony Romo.

In a 165 game career, Aikman had:
-165 touchdown passes
-completed 61.5% of his passes
-had a QB rating of 81.6
-3.5% of his passes went for touchdowns
-3.0% of his passes were intercepted

In 115 career games, thus far, Romo has:
-162 touchdown passes
-completed 64.9% of his passes
-has a 95.5% QB rating
-5.4% of his passes have gone for touchdowns
-2.8% of his passes have been intercepted

blah blah blah, worship at the altar of defense, special teams and running game, words words, more drivel about tony romo (like we can even make THAT comparison)

Love ya bro.. agree with just about everything you say most of the time, but I gotta say this about Mr. Derek T.

WATCH THE DAMN GAMES. This guy is just not good. It isn't the fault of the receivers, or Derek's mom, or lack of a defense, etc. etc. HE JUST ISN'T THAT GOOD and he isn't accurate and he lofts balls way above receivers and he locks onto a certain receiver and he can't run and and and.

Look he just isn't that good and to blame it on the defense and the receivers is laughable.

EDIT - realize you weren't comparing Tony to Derek, but my other comments still apply.

Edited November 19, 2012 by Stan R

Green P1 · November 19, 2012

Solid sports retort.

DT has completed 58% of his passes and averages 238 a game. Again, he plays the most high profile position, so he gets the most attention when things don't go right. Now, I don't think he is perfect, but he is not as bad as some of you make him out to be. Scott Hall would have struggled without Galbreath/Thomas/Cobbs at RB, Quinn at WR and Blount at TE kind of like DT has struggled without Jimmerson, Chancellor and a true pass catching TE since Smith went down.

You can either admit that DT has substantially regressed this year, or you can argue that the rest of the guys playing offense with him are highly functioning mentally disabled... He's got a line that's kept him cleaner than all but 2 QBs in college football. He's got an above average running game. He's got a TE (who I think will be on an NFL roster/practice squad next year) who's constantly open on check downs that he can't find. Even without Chancellor he's got 2 guys who were much more productive last season, a productive new walkon, and an exciting young kid who looks like a real playmaker.

I guess if you want to argue that all those guys suck so bad that DT cant't be successful then we'll just have to disagree.

Edited November 19, 2012 by Green P1

NorthTexan95 · November 19, 2012

DT isn't the entire problem with the offense but he's a big part of it. Before the season I said he was a mid-Sun Belt level quarterback at best based on last year. This year he's regressed. An average CUSA level quarterback would make a tremendous improvement for our offense. Hopefully Brock can be that player.

As somesone said in a previous post ... if DT is starting next season I'll be very surprised.

foutsrouts · November 20, 2012

The bold is where you lost your argument.

Like totally lost.

H-towngreen · November 24, 2012

Latest update:

Berglund 99%

DT 1% in case of freak injury to Berglund

CurveItAround · January 5, 2013

So after watching Johnny football take the Sooners to the woodshet tonight, should DT mean Derrick Teagarden? I am thinking the 6-0 jitterbug QB running the zone read with a decent arm is about to become a lot more popular.

Cooley · January 5, 2013

So after watching Johnny football take the Sooners to the woodshet tonight, should DT mean Derrick Teagarden? I am thinking the 6-0 jitterbug QB running the zone read with a decent arm is about to become a lot more popular.

Things didn't work out for the young man but William Cole was Johnny Manziel

BillySee58 · January 5, 2013

So after watching Johnny football take the Sooners to the woodshet tonight, should DT mean Derrick Teagarden? I am thinking the 6-0 jitterbug QB running the zone read with a decent arm is about to become a lot more popular.

I think you are kidding, but in the event that you aren't, Manziel is in a completely different league than guys who are in a completely different league than Teagarden.

However, a game like this really shows how a true dual-threat quarterback can open up a playbook and make an offense extremely tough to contain. Berglund can provide this wrinkle to our offense, Thompson can't and Teagarden should be left being a special teams stud and an improving receiver.

BillySee58 · January 5, 2013

Things didn't work out for the young man but William Cole was Johnny Manziel

Watched him play way back when I was in junior high haha.

He blew my mind but I disagree. He was not the passing threat that Manziel was, but he didn't have to be in high school.

CurveItAround · January 5, 2013

Teagarden was definitely tongue in cheek, but in a copy cat business, you know you will see more of that, especially in TX with the success of RGIII and JM.

No doubt that it makes you look a lot better when you are a complete threat to run, but then to make throw after throw after throw. In a complete zone all year.

Yes, please.

BillySee58 · January 5, 2013

Teagarden was definitely tongue in cheek, but in a copy cat business, you know you will see more of that, especially in TX with the success of RGIII and JM.

No doubt that it makes you look a lot better when you are a complete threat to run, but then to make throw after throw after throw. In a complete zone all year.

Yes, please.

Copy cat business absolutely. I really hope Mac and Chico were paying close attention to tonight.

H-towngreen · January 5, 2013

Funny you bring up Johnny Football and dual threat QBs.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/rankings/rank-2648;_ylt=Au8vtiX1pqgMctSf4xmHboNGPZB4

Rivals 2011 Dual Threat QB list

12 - Marcus Mariota - Leader of high powered Oregon offense

14 - Johnny Manziel - A&M, need I say anything else?

15 - Brock Berglund - UNT

16 - Everett Golson - Notre Dame starting QB in BCS Title Game

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UNT90 · January 5, 2013

http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/rankings/rank-rivalsdtqb/2011

Seems like an appropriate time to re-post this.

#14 won the Heisman and just put up 516 yards running and passing in the Cotton Bowl.

#16 is quarterbacking Norte Dame in the national title game in a couple of days.

If #15 is only 1/3 as successful as either of these 2, good times are ahead for UNT football.

Fingers crossed.

EDIT: Damn Htown and his quick fingers.

Edited January 5, 2013 by UNT90

CurveItAround · January 5, 2013

Really looking forward to spring practice reports. So much competition expected at so many positions. Just for once, let us catch some good breaks.

H-towngreen · January 5, 2013

http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/rankings/rank-rivalsdtqb/2011

EDIT: Damn Htown and his quick fingers.

That's what she said.

Question, no info.

UNT90 · January 5, 2013

That's what she said.
Question, no info.

Quick fingers?

Question. No info.

BillySee58 · January 5, 2013

Funny you bring up Johnny Football and dual threat QBs.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/rankings/rank-2648;_ylt=Au8vtiX1pqgMctSf4xmHboNGPZB4
Rivals 2011 Dual Threat QB list
12 - Marcus Mariota - Leader of high powered Oregon offense
14 - Johnny Manziel - A&M, need I say anything else?
15 - Brock Berglund - UNT
16 - Everett Golson - Notre Dame starting QB in BCS Title Game
This post has been promoted to an article

This has already been posted, but yeah, hopefully he can be near their production. Edited January 5, 2013 by BillySee58

trussbussdad · January 5, 2013

going to stay on the fence.....it will be good competition this spring in several positions, not just qb. good competition makes for a better football team.

we did have some talent sitting out during the fall. lets see what spring brings us.

TheColonyEagle · January 5, 2013

I am convinced now more than ever that a dual threat QB is needed in college football. I like DT too. But how many times last season did 3rd and 5+ seem like an automatic road to 4th down and a punt.

A running QB moves the chains when a play breaks down on 3rd down and frustrates the hell out of the defense. Bless his heart but DT can't do that with his legs.

SilverEagle · January 5, 2013

going to stay on the fence.....it will be good competition this spring in several positions, not just qb. good competition makes for a better football team.
we did have some talent sitting out during the fall. lets see what spring brings us.

It all starts with an improved O-line. Looking forward to seeing the O-line re-shuffle and gel this spring. THAT is what will make the rest of it go.

Johnny Manziel was doing some amazing things last night, but his O-line was the one providing him with the openings/options.

trussbussdad · January 5, 2013

Silver Eagle...i too, for personal reasons, interested in how the O line works out. Was a very good O line this past year with 4 returning starters. Competition with redshirts and transfers will only make it better.

Mean Green 93-98 · January 5, 2013

I am convinced now more than ever that a dual threat QB is needed in college football.

Needed? No. Most of the better SEC teams (LSU, Alabama, Georgia) have had their success with more traditional pro-style quarterbacks (Tebow is an obvious exception to that). But it sure can't hurt to have options when a play breaks down.

TheColonyEagle · January 5, 2013

Needed? No. Most of the better SEC teams (LSU, Alabama, Georgia) have had their success with more traditional pro-style quarterbacks (Tebow is an obvious exception to that). But it sure can't hurt to have options when a play breaks down.

Let me rephrase......Unless you're a better SEC team, a dual threat QB is needed.