How To Stop A Massacre

[SCREAMING EAGLE-66]

I'm not twisting anything. You said someone should be able to compete in a gun fight with 1 or 2 rounds. A pretty ludicrous statement on its own, but I figured some on here who don't know about armed confrontation might like the real story.

.It's real life, not TV, and that guy now carries over 140 rounds of ammo due to his brush with death. And he was a sniper and firearms instructor.

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Never said that 1-2 shots should end a true "gun fight".... again how often does a average citizen get into a actual gun fight to protect himself.... we not talking police whose job might get them to that point. Almost all break-ins etc. usually end with 1-2 shots fired or rarely a few more... 140 rounds?? why...? A real sniper rarely shoots more than once... after the second or maybe third shot most people and me can usually tell exactly where the gun fire was from. Snipers never do that. Do you know anything about shooting?.. I can't even name one incident involving homeowner etc. that qualifies as a gunfight involving more than a few shots. ...

Do you have a clue how much 140 rounds weigh or how much space that takes.??? Where does he keep it.. in a briefcase? .... definitely not in pockets. Again why ?... Is he expecting to be mugged by a drug gang... he would be dead long before using up that much ammo..

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Edited May 2, 2013 by SCREAMING EAGLE-66

[Army of Dad]

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Not legal if fully automatic... as the military uses. ... ( at least that is all I have ever read). either way it is subject to gun-control..... and better not not be caught with a very short-barrel shotgun either (more gun control) .... a friend in HS had one.... town kid... ruined the barrel by getting dirt in barrel then fired it... 410 single shot, and sawed it off and the stock somewhat... looked like an old pistol... I and about no one else knew he had it.... not a bad kid...sorta stupid... therefore no point in telling anyone.... his problem if caught with it.

Legally owning a machine gun (capable of firing more than one round per trigger pull) is possible, but there are additional restrictions and taxes. Short barreled shotguns (and rifles) are also legal to own, provided one follows the law (more taxes and restrictions).

[UNT90]

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Never said that 1-2 shots should end a true "gun fight".... again how often does a average citizen get into a actual gun fight to protect himself.... we not talking police whose job might get them to that point. Almost all break-ins etc. usually end with 1-2 shots fired or rarely a few more... 140 rounds?? why...? A real sniper rarely shoots more than once... after the second or maybe third shot most people and me can usually tell exactly where the gun fire was from. Snipers never do that. Do you know anything about shooting?.. I can't even name one incident involving homeowner etc. that qualifies as a gunfight involving more than a few shots. ...

Do you have a clue how much 140 rounds weigh or how much space that takes.??? Where does he keep it.. in a briefcase? .... definitely not in pockets. Again why ?... Is he expecting to be mugged by a drug gang... he would be dead long before using up that much ammo..

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Why don't you go back and actually read the article and you will understand (well, maybe) why that officer carries that many rounds.

Hey, most cops go through their entire career without being involved in a critical shooting incident. I guess we shouldn't allow them to carry guns either, right?

Your arguments always go in circles. You don't want people carrying on school grounds because of the massive amount of firearm accidents that will enevitably occur, then you turn around and say since such incidents rarely occur, people shouldn't be allowed to carry.

People don't want to carry because of something that happens routinely, they want to be prepared for something that doesn't happen routinely but may forever change, or end, their life.

Personally, I don't live that way, but I understand those who do and respect their right to do it.

Edited May 2, 2013 by UNT90

[SCREAMING EAGLE-66]

I see the respect comment .... now that I mentioned it has been lacking... that is not the way it has been... everyone that disagrees with you on anything is labeled a liberal... or unpatriotic .... socialist.. considered unChristian .... or something worse... go back and read what you have been writting in the past... and show those who disagree some respect...enough was enough.... that was the reason for my rant this time...... You are not always right and neither am I... but I don't consider those who disagree with me as a fool.... or anti-American ... you may not either but it sure comes across that way.

and no I had not read the link... you did not state he was a cop... but none of this about the police or military weapons anyway...

How many years have you spent as a teacher/administrator in a school and observed the crowded halls and classroom and what really goes on from that point of view... I spent 30 there and also 35 in a College (still there) ... [ obviously both at times ] I doubt I am an expert at your job and you aren't on what schools do.... being a student doesn't count... sort of like a fan at a football game... the fan has a clue, but not much if he has never played. We have shopped at Walmart... maybe should apply for an executive position there. ..... One side of the desk is greatly different than the other. From your posts is seems fairly obvious I have a lot more experience with practical use of guns than just considering some toy to use on a weekend. Have you ever lived in a rural area and "needed" them regularly... I have.

Edited May 3, 2013 by SCREAMING EAGLE-66

[FirefightnRick]

I was in Stephenville last week.......

Did you stop in and try the chicken fried steak at "Jake And Dorothy's"? If you didnt you should on your next trip back. I recommend the slice of Apple Pie too.

Rick

[Harry]

Did you stop in and try the chicken fried steak at "Jake And Dorothy's"? If you didnt you should on your next trip back. I recommend the slice of Apple Pie too.

Rick

[UNT90]

I see the respect comment .... now that I mentioned it has been lacking... that is not the way it has been... everyone that disagrees with you on anything is labeled a liberal... or unpatriotic .... socialist.. considered unChristian .... or something worse... go back and read what you have been writting in the past... and show those who disagree some respect...enough was enough.... that was the reason for my rant this time...... You are not always right and neither am I... but I don't consider those who disagree with me as a fool.... or anti-American ... you may not either but it sure comes across that way.

and no I had not read the link... you did not state he was a cop... but none of this about the police or military weapons anyway...

How many years have you spent as a teacher/administrator in a school and observed the crowded halls and classroom and what really goes on from that point of view... I spent 30 there and also 35 in a College (still there) ... [ obviously both at times ] I doubt I am an expert at your job and you aren't on what schools do.... being a student doesn't count... sort of like a fan at a football game... the fan has a clue, but not much if he has never played. We have shopped at Walmart... maybe should apply for an executive position there. ..... One side of the desk is greatly different than the other. From your posts is seems fairly obvious I have a lot more experience with practical use of guns than just considering some toy to use on a weekend. Have you ever lived in a rural area and "needed" them regularly... I have.

You claim all this crap about me but can't produce one example. Why? Because it isn't there.

Yes, you are a liberal. When you agree with just about every policy that is put forth by the most liberal president in American history, that is what you are.

I am a conservative. Call me that all day long if you like, because it is what I am.

If you can't take the heat of someone respectfully disagreeing with your position on issues, don't post in a political thread. You don't see me whining about your point of view, do you?

Schools are crowded. So are malls, and sporting events, and thearers, and every other place that an active shooter would target. Really not supporting your argument here.

As far as my knowledge of guns, lets just say its an everyday practical type of knowledge that I promise you don't have.

[SCREAMING EAGLE-66]

You claim all this crap about me but can't produce one example. Why? Because it isn't there.

Yes, you are a liberal. When you agree with just about every policy that is put forth by the most liberal president in American history, that is what you are.

I am a conservative. Call me that all day long if you like, because it is what I am.

If you can't take the heat of someone respectfully disagreeing with your position on issues, don't post in a political thread. You don't see me whining about your point of view, do you?

Schools are crowded. So are malls, and sporting events, and thearers, and every other place that an active shooter would target. Really not supporting your argument here.

As far as my knowledge of guns, lets just say its an everyday practical type of knowledge that I promise you don't have.

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Compared to you , I suppose I am a liberal ( maybe not financially) ... but then so is almost everyone compared to you. It is all relative...

[UNT90]

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Compared to you , I suppose I am a liberal ( maybe not financially) ... but then so is almost everyone compared to you. It is all relative...

No, it's not "all relative."

You are fine with Pres. Obama spending way more than Bush. That makes you a liberal on fiscal issues.

You are for gun control. I imagine that you are pro-abortion (and no, I dont even want to get into that discussion)?

Gay Marriage?

Taxes?

Increasing the size of governement?

We already know that you are not for making government local because you want the federal government to get involved with gun control.

So, tell me again, how are you not a liberal?

[Eagle1855]

Did you stop in and try the chicken fried steak at "Jake And Dorothy's"? If you didnt you should on your next trip back. I recommend the slice of Apple Pie too.

Rick

I did not, but I'll add that to the list next time I'm traveling through. Appreciate the recommendation.

We spent three mornings in a row at the same table in the Peacock's Diner on the south side of town. Was a perfect way to start the day!

[SCREAMING EAGLE-66]

Jake and Dorothy's still exists? Wow...haven't been there in 30+ years.

Edited May 3, 2013 by SCREAMING EAGLE-66

[FirefightnRick]

"Woman Opens Fire On Group Of Robbers At Houston Denny's"

http://m.click2houston.com/news/woman-opens-fire-on-group-of-robbers-at-dennys/-/16714936/21394538/-/12s1clm/-/index.html

"Self-defense saved my brother's life," he said.

Rick

Edited August 16, 2013 by FirefightnRick

[greenminer]

Happy for the family. Happy for the bystanders who were not accidentally shot.

[glick1980]

Solid post, except for the part about people firing off guns in all the chaos. Again, show one example of where that has happened? They simply don't exist.

People who take the time to qualify for a concealed carry permit are not "average citizens who don't know anything about guns." They want to carry, take the time and spend the money to go through courses, and take carrying guns seriously.

It's like some of you guys think that at the first popped balloon, everyone is going to be drawing weapons. That simply doesn't happen.

And you are right. If crazies want to kill a bunch of people, they will find a way to do it.

They might even (gasp!!!) acquire handguns illegally.

My wife has a CHL and I can confirm she knows exactly nothing about guns. I dare say that neither do my mother-in-law or sister-in-law who took the class with her. Popping off a few clips and watching some video's and taking a test does not make one a gun expert in any way. I think that people should be able to carry guns, but can confirm that although my wife took the class very seriously, she is no gun carrying expert, and has much less experience shooting a gun than I do, and I do not have a CHL.

[FirefightnRick]

That's why, like my entire family just about, mother-in-law, sister-in-laws, nieces and of course the wife are all members of a gun club to regularly practice and get familiar with their weapons.

It's hard to take some times, but the women seem to be better shots..

Rick

[FirefightnRick]

There were a couple of threads this one would fit into. Have you heard about the Knock-Out Games being played across the country?

"Dangerous Games - "Point 'em Out, Knock 'em Out"

http://www.wilx.com/news/featured/headlines/Dangerous-Game---Point-em-Out-Knock-em-Out-231443411.html?device=phone

A game called "Point-em-out, Knock-em-out" has made its way to Lansing, and it's exactly how it sounds. The game consists of someone being randomly targeted, then attacked.

It's a game that has been growing with popularity on the internet, with teenagers filming themselves punching unsuspecting victims. Lansing had its first case of the game brought to light this summer, but it's possible that it has been happening under the radar for months.

On February 26th a man waiting for his six-year-old daughter to be dropped off from school, had no idea he would be the city's first reported victim.

"I saw the van circle twice, and the second time three kids came out. I didn't suspect anything. I hadn't any enemies, or any reason to believe they would be looking to do anything to me."

We are not revealing the victim's identity for his protection.

The victim was attacked by 17-year-old Marvell Weaver. But Weaver did more than try to knock his victim out, he tried to do it with a taser. Luckily for the victim, the taser didn't work and he was able to protect himself with his concealed-carry .40 caliber pistol.

"He shoved something into my side. I wasn't sure what it was. It had some force to it. I wasn't sure if it was a knife or a gun," said the victim.

Weaver was shot twice, in the leg and an inch away from his spine. He's been sentenced to a year in jail for the attack, but he admits he's getting off easy.

"It was just a lesson learned. I wish I hadn't played the game at all," said Weaver.

But Weaver say's this wasn't the first time he'd played it. Before he was caught, he and his friends had attacked random people on several occasions.......

....Weaver says it's not gang related, teens are playing it because they're bored. Plus, they've been seeing others doing it and getting away with it on the internet.

He says he used to play it because he was usually dared, while high and with a bad group of friends.....

Rick

[SCREAMING EAGLE-66]

Tough way to learn that that "game" was absolutely stupid... People who point "toy" guns at people are as well.. If people "think" they are being threatened they will likely shoot if armed and I don't blame them. I've seen reports of police shooting people that had a toy gun.... No problem, it might be real and it would be too late if they waited and it was a real one.

--The post above that one.... Just because someone had a short course on handling guns and has a permit doesn't mean they really should carry one**... {which is point of the post] Seen too many that are way too careless with one... That is the real problem with teachers carrying one... I am not anti-gun but I oppose that idea.... people who have been around guns all their life are very different with them than people who just took some "short course". Part two of that is shooting some target isn't the same as shooting a person or even an animal... Unless they are really willing to shoot and have the good judgement of when to shoot or not shoot, don't have one. Bad guys are more likely to shoot if they see you with one...

** just because someone has a driver's license doesn't they are qualified to enter a Nascar race..

Edited November 22, 2013 by SCREAMING EAGLE-66

[UNT90]

Tough way to learn that that "game" was absolutely stupid... People who point "toy" guns at people are as well.. If people "think" they are being threatened they will likely shoot if armed and I don't blame them. I've seen reports of police shooting people that had a toy gun.... No problem, it might be real and it would be too late if they waited and it was a real one.

--The post above that one.... Just because someone had a short course on handling guns and has a permit doesn't mean they really should carry one**... {which is point of the post] Seen too many that are way too careless with one... That is the real problem with teachers carrying one... I am not anti-gun but I oppose that idea.... people who have been around guns all their life are very different with them than people who just took some "short course". Part two of that is shooting some target isn't the same as shooting a person or even an animal... Unless they are really willing to shoot and have the good judgement of when to shoot or not shoot, don't have one. Bad guys are more likely to shoot if they see you with one...

** just because someone has a driver's license doesn't they are qualified to enter a Nascar race..

Lots and lots of blanket statements to justify your opinions.

I would love to see some actual numbers on people who get murdered because they had a weapon to defend themselves, but chose not to.

Don't recall ever seeing a story like this, and you better believe the anti-gun media would be all over it.

Self preservation is a very basic instinct.

[SCREAMING EAGLE-66]

Lots and lots of blanket statements to justify your opinions.

I would love to see some actual numbers on people who get murdered because they had a weapon to defend themselves, but chose not to.

Don't recall ever seeing a story like this, and you better believe the anti-gun media would be all over it.

Self preservation is a very basic instinct.

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You will argue anything... I said police and others are justified when they see what appears to be a threat. Police go through hours and hours of training and when to shoot and not shoot... that is not true of most people who have a license to carry. I also know some people just don't have the "whatever it takes" to shoot at someone and they have no business with one and are likely to get shot instead.. Plus there are a lot of careless people out there that are more likely to shoot themselves (or someone around them) than need one for self defense. In my hometown this year a man killed his kid while cleaning his gun. I am not anti-gun... but some folks just don't need or have any business carrying one.

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[FirefightnRick]

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I will argue anything... I said school bus drivers and taxi drivers are justified to take evasive action when they see what appears to be a dangerous intersection ahead and know to slow down. And race car drivers go through hours and hours of training and when to speed up and not to and how to take evasive action... that is not true of most people who have a license to drive a car. I also know some people just don't have the "whatever it takes" to drive someone to their destination and they have no business with a car and are likely to run over someone else instead.. Plus there are a lot of careless people out there that are more likely to hurt themselves (or someone around them) than need one for transportation. In my hometown this year a man backed over his kid while cleaning his ash tray. I am not anti-automobiles... but some folks just don't need or have any business driving one.

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Makes about as much sense.

Rick

Edited November 28, 2013 by FirefightnRick

[JesseMartin]

The knock-out game has had some fatalities...one dude got a broken neck and was stuck between two iron bars of a fence. But some of the fatalities are on the other side. A 60-year-old woman with a CHL shot and killed 2 teens in a group of 7 when one of them hit her.

[UNTFan23]

The knock-out game has had some fatalities...one dude got a broken neck and was stuck between two iron bars of a fence. But some of the fatalities are on the other side. A 60-year-old woman with a CHL shot and killed 2 teens in a group of 7 when one of them hit her.

This knockout game needs to stop.

I've heard that it is also called "polar bear hunting." I hope some of the crimes are treated as hate crimes.

[JesseMartin]

Some friends and I were half-serious/half-joking about how you don't really hear much about this game where citizens are armed, especially in the South, because the dumbass kids wouldn't last more than a round or two of the game because somebody would take them out pretty quickly. I think that's probably what will cause a quick end to the fad...knowing that your fist can't help prevent bullet wounds. Some poor girl was a ballet dancer and got hit, has to have reconstructive surgery. I expect a few more gunshot victims will make it seem less fun, though some might still like the "thrill" of taking he risk of getting shot.

I don't get the "polar bear" thing...does it mean obese white people or something? Sounds like it has a different name in every city anyway.

Edited November 30, 2013 by JesseMartin

[EagleGreen]

Jake and Dorothy's still exists? Wow...haven't been there in 30+ years.

Geez, I forgot about Jake and Dots. Wow! Good times

[FirefightnRick]

"Fort Worth robbery suspect shot by clerk"

Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/12/15/5420957/fort-worth-robbery-suspect-shot.html?rh=1#storylink=cpy

Officers later found the 46-year-old suspect, whose identity was not released, and took him into custody.......

The suspect walked into the business, brandished a handgun and demanded money, police said Sunday.

At some point, a 28-year-old employee pulled out a handgun and fired at the suspect, wounding him.

Rick