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foutsrouts Newbie

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I'm an atheist and I could care less if that was displayed. Some people just like to be difficult.

I'm pretty much a special occasion church guy myself, but I hope you reconsider. This thing we've got going here on this planet just doesn't last very long. Sounds like you're a fellow NT business/accounting guy like myself, and I only wish you the best bro.

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Wishing Hell on those who disagree with you - a very Christian attitude.

This is no different than people getting up in arms about a Muslim community center going up blocks away from Ground Zero. Religion brings the dumbest/craziest out in people.

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oldguystudent Newbie

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I also could not care less about a cross on display. I'd just tell the kid we're going to visit that place with a T in front across from that place.

As for threatening hell, what's next? No presents from Santa Claus or no chocolate from the Easter Bunny?

Sometimes I want to walk around, pointing fingers at people, shouting incoherently about how they're doomed to become stardust.

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adman Apprentice

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This is no different than people getting up in arms about a Muslim community center going up blocks away from Ground Zero. Religion brings the dumbest/craziest out in people.

Two pretty smart fellas, one a Church of Christ raised Christian, journalist, (and former NT student) the other an English educated Indian, atheist, novelist discussing religion. Good stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L611bqOrHgU

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Isn't that what Skip Bayless and all cable talking heads are paid to do?

I also could not care less about a cross on display. I'd just tell the kid we're going to visit that place with a T in front across from that place.

As for threatening hell, what's next? No presents from Santa Claus or no chocolate from the Easter Bunny?

Sometimes I want to walk around, pointing fingers at people, shouting incoherently about how they're doomed to become stardust.

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The Fake Lonnie Finch Newbie

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Again, American Christians need to actually follow Christ. He wasn't into superstitions and symbols. He spent much of his time castigating the Pharisees and Saducees for it.

Jesus would not care whether there was a cross at the ground zero place or not. But, American Christians often ignore the words and actions of Jesus...and Paul...and Peter...and John...and....

Jesus cared nothing for worldly politics. You wonder if the Republicans and Democrats who claim Jesus is "on their side" have ever cracked open a Bible, much less read one.

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GrayEagle Veteran

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I'm still having trouble dealing with (the concept of) anyone who is atheistic. Agnostic, skeptic, and the like I understand. After all, none of us knows for sure...we simply have our beliefs. If I know anything about the laws of probability, there is no way that in billions of years that all of the various forms of life could begin as amoebas or protozoae and end with perfectly attuned specimens with random selection. Plant life...maybe; but even they are a part of a grand plan that sustains all life.

As to the cross, if it's what the majority of the survivors and the families of the deceased want, then that's the symbol that should be used.

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meanJewGreen Experienced

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Atheism is simple. You believe that events, natural phenomenoms, daily life happens without the advent of a deity/god/higher power. It's not praying to god, or daily action being motivated by a god- it's a concept that values humanity and morality.

While atheism in itself is a religion, the concept of an atheist has actually permeated through other religions. A Jewish atheist, for one, is one who merely rejects the belief of a god, and is more of a "cultural" Jew (see: Half of hollywood)- focusing on more of the ethnic Jewish ties than religious Jewish ties. Heck, as the birthrates among ultra-Orthodox Jews grow, many Jews are growing disillusioned with the relgious concepts of Judaism and trying to find ways to practice a more "symbolic and cultural" Judaism (I've been to these services.... you'll find less of the saracstic guilt and more of the idealistic hippie who thought he was going to make it as the next Robert Zimmerma.... er Bob Dylan)

These atheists are just a little crazier than the ones you speak with in normal life.

I'm still having trouble dealing with (the concept of) anyone who is atheistic. Agnostic, skeptic, and the like I understand. After all, none of us knows for sure...we simply have our beliefs. If I know anything about the laws of probability, there is no way that in billions of years that all of the various forms of life could begin as amoebas or protozoae and end with perfectly attuned specimens with random selection. Plant life...maybe; but even they are a part of a grand plan that sustains all life.

As to the cross, if it's what the majority of the survivors and the families of the deceased want, then that's the symbol that should be used.

oldguystudent Newbie

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I'm still having trouble dealing with (the concept of) anyone who is atheistic. Agnostic, skeptic, and the like I understand. After all, none of us knows for sure...we simply have our beliefs. If I know anything about the laws of probability, there is no way that in billions of years that all of the various forms of life could begin as amoebas or protozoae and end with perfectly attuned specimens with random selection. Plant life...maybe; but even they are a part of a grand plan that sustains all life.

As to the cross, if it's what the majority of the survivors and the families of the deceased want, then that's the symbol that should be used.

For purposes of giving you a more objective answer, I'll remove my horrific life associations with religion from this equation.

1) All things that are presently explained by science were once explained by religion. All things presently explained by religion will one day be explained by science.

2) OK. I'll grant you that it is improbable that earth should exist with its atmosphere, weather patterns, and complex ecosystems purely by chance. So improbable, in fact, as to be infinitely impossible. Until I saw this and started reading about it and what it represented.

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An area one tenth the width of the moon from earth's view, 10,000 galaxies, going back 18 billion light years. The universe is a BIG place, man. So big, that in spite of infinitely improbable odds, most astronomers will tell that that quite literally everything exists within it. Even a little blue planet with dolphins and crappy high school football coaches that in the grand scope of the universe is magnitudes of order less significant than a grain of sand on the floor of the ocean.

(Also, photographs of galaxies from 18 billion years ago totally blows that whole young earth thing out of the water for me)

As for "God?" Maybe I just contradicted myself when I said that quite literally everything exists in the universe. Eh, I know one thing. If the God of my childhood is real, I'll take the express ticket to hell, and I'll gladly supply the matches and lighter fluid because that guy is a total dick who I wouldn't want to spend five minutes with let alone eternity.

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Grant.UNT Newbie

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no atheists in fox holes. Think what you want.

as for me and my house we will serve the Lord

Joshua 24:15

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no atheists in fox holes. Think what you want.

as for me and my house we will serve the Lord

Joshua 24:15

I'm not really sure the old truism about no atheists in foxholes is true. My father spent a lot of time in fox holes at Anzio & he was a dyed-in-the-wool materialist.

An atheist is just someone who has no need for a god to explain existence. No need for heaven or hell to behave morally or ethically. If you find the idea of god useful then bless you my green friend. As for me and my house....

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GreenGuy123 Enthusiast

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Hell can't be too far away for some. Nuts.

http://religion.blog...rial/?hpt=hp_t3

Listen to yourself. Just because a group of people happen to have a similar characteristic in their beliefs, doesn't mean that every single atheist has the same set of beliefs. That is like saying that because one African American male commits a crime, that all African American males are criminals. It's ridiculous.

MDH Rising Star

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As an ex-atheist myself, I can tell you that the basic atheist position is: God does not exist and I hate him.

You can't hate something that you don't believe exists

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