"Unprecedented" penalties against Penn State

[golfingomez]

I would think something like, PSU can have 25 scholarships for the next 5 years...

or what if it was, No home games for the next 2 years?

[golfingomez]

also... they should leave the statue up... it should be a reminder of the good and the bad that Paterno brought to the school... it should be something that is talked about from Father to son...

[Baby Arm!]

Since it seems the "Death Penalty" is off the table, and these are "unprecedented" penalties may include post season, television bans, scholarship reductions, and allowing current players to transfer without penalty. Perhaps as part of this they will also ban Penn State from haveing home games for a year or two? That wont punish other schools by losing a home game's revenue. People often forget that the death penalty given to SMU only shut the program down for one year. The second year they were allowed road games only. It was SMU's choice not to field a team at all the second year.

[NT03]

Do we have any open scholarships to offer any potential Penn St. transfers? Never been more eager to pick over a dead corpse.

I'd be more eager to pick up one of their home opponents and bring them to Apogee !

Edited July 22, 2012 by NT03

[UNTFan23]

Well then, let's never punish any football program, because there is ALWAYS going to be "collateral damage" to any number of innocent groups when you take away a football program, or, for that matter, impose heavy sanctions. Let's just give up and let everyone cheat. Round and round we go.

I am resigned to fact that the communities surrounding Penn State are going to suffer economically despite whatever punishment is given. I just hope that the NCAA has put some thought into whether whatever they're going to do will cause harm to other universities.

[UNT90]

I am resigned to fact that the communities surrounding Penn State are going to suffer economically despite whatever punishment is given. I just hope that the NCAA has put some thought into whether whatever they're going to do will cause harm to other universities.

And I just hope that the NCAA has put some thought into whether whatever they're going to do will send the proper message to every other NCAA football program about systematic and system wide cover ups in an attempt to avoid embarassment for a football program.

This is only the most egregious cover up until the next most egregious cover up comes along.

Edited July 22, 2012 by UNT90

[Texas Stranger]

The no home games thing makes more sense, 12 other teams don't have sudden chaos in their schedules and the effect on the Unhappy Valley area will be significant. Add staff/scholarship reductions with the postseason bans (including all sports for 1 year). Go from there.

[UNT90]

I'd be more eager to pick up one of their home opponents and bring them to Apogee !

Pay Texas Southern to just... go... away...?

[MeanGreen61]

I am resigned to fact that the communities surrounding Penn State are going to suffer economically despite whatever punishment is given. I just hope that the NCAA has put some thought into whether whatever they're going to do will cause harm to other universities.

Well the NCAA isn't to blame for your economic concerns about the surrounding community or harm to other universities. It rest solely on the Penn State. What ever happened to just simply making folks responsible for their actions without hand wringing about envisioned damage to others. Seems we have become a society of excuses, rationalization and/or what ifs.

Edited July 22, 2012 by MeanGreen61

[NT03]

Pay Texas Southern to just... go... away...?

I'm sure we , or ever else wanted to host extra games , could be granted a waiver to play 13 games this season due to the circumstances

[H-towngreen]

Is it just me, or does this seem to come really quickly after the Freeh report, not leaving a whole lot of time for an NCAA investigation.

It seems to me the only reason to make this decision this quickly would be if Penn St. is not going to be allowed to play football this year. The NCAA would have to make that decision very quickly with Summer camp coming up. Maybe just false hope.

The NCAA used the Freeh report since it was something that PSU commissioned which is why you're seeing the quick turnaround

[UNT90]

The NCAA used the Freeh report since it was something that PSU commissioned which is why you're seeing the quick turnaround

Problem is, the Freeh report didn't Investigate any money link between 2nd mile and Penn St.

Call me suspicious, but maybe the reason a known pedophile was allowed continued access to Penn St. athletic facilities was because his foundation to "help youth" was also being used to funnel money to Penn St. players. You don't know unless you look, and it appears the NCAA just doesn't want to know.

[UNTflyer]

If you ban Penn State from playing football this year, how do you make up the lost TV, gate revenue, etc to the teams that have TV and home games already scheduled with PSU? Nebraska has a home game scheduled with PSU and would lose millions of dollars from the cancellation of this game.

Yeah, that's a shame.

[VideoEagle]

The way I understand the NCAAs Death Penalty, it is designed to be used on extreme repeat offenders, not as a first offense penalty. SMU had been on NCAA probation more than offenders two through five COMBINED. This is technically the institutions first serious offense.

Of course, no one at SMU did anything like covering up for a child rapist. Unless you count killing prostitutes.

I think Harry is right, you can hit then with penalties severe enough to be as effective as a death penalty without calling it that.

I still tend to doubt the NCAA will do that or not.

[UNT90]

The way I understand the NCAAs Death Penalty, it is designed to be used on extreme repeat offenders, not as a first offense penalty. SMU had been on NCAA probation more than offenders two through five COMBINED. This is technically the institutions first serious offense.

Of course, no one at SMU did anything like covering up for a child rapist. Unless you count killing prostitutes.

I think Harry is right, you can hit then with penalties severe enough to be as effective as a death penalty without calling it that.

I still tend to doubt the NCAA will do that or not.

Some would say they were a repeat offender for 14 years. Should covering up to make sure you do not get caught be rewarded? I think this situation is so unique as to require a very special penalty.

But, I get your point, and agree that the NCAA will continue to not do the right thing.

Edited July 22, 2012 by UNT90

[SCREAMING EAGLE-66]

---Three years of no TV, no bowl games, and no TV revenue sharing from conference, and allowing players to transfer without any penalty to players would really hurt them... Their pool of top player recruits would totally disappear plus the hurt would continue for a while beyond three years with a weakened program.. Allowing teams to cancel game contracts after the 2012 season would be a good idea and hurtful as well.. The events that caused this was not just one guy but a "cover-up" or ignoring by a lot of coaches and administration members it appears.. This would not be a death penalty but the program would be hurting greatly and a message sent to others to clean up things and not just things closely related to the game. ..

[UNTflyer]

Is USC hurting right now? They had a Top 25 team last year if I recall.

[greenminer]

But Penn State will not receive the so-called "death penalty" that would have suspended the program for at least one year, the source said.

The penalties, however, are considered to be so harsh that the death penalty may have been preferable, the source said.

espn

[GoMeanGreen1999]

The way I understand the NCAAs Death Penalty, it is designed to be used on extreme repeat offenders, not as a first offense penalty. SMU had been on NCAA probation more than offenders two through five COMBINED. This is technically the institutions first serious offense.

Of course, no one at SMU did anything like covering up for a child rapist. Unless you count killing prostitutes.

I think Harry is right, you can hit then with penalties severe enough to be as effective as a death penalty without calling it that.

I still tend to doubt the NCAA will do that or not.

I think this is where its going. Since it's not a repeat offender, it won't be the death penalty, though it will be severe enough that they would have prefered the death penalty.

[ADLER]

People often forget that the death penalty given to SMU only shut the program down for one year. The second year they were allowed road games only. It was SMU's choice not to field a team at all the second year.

People also forget that SMU earned the death penalty for basketball and track as well as football. The overly extreme kindness of the NCAA resulted in the death penalty only being imposed for the football program. Multiple sports receiving the death penalty would possibly have led the perennial cheaters to expulsion from the Southwest Conference.

[UNT90]

espn

"Unbelievable," said a Penn State trustee informed of the NCAA statement, speaking to ESPN.com senior writer Don Van Natta Jr. "Unbelievable, unbelievable."

The Penn State trustees' hope that the statue's removal might send a positive message was trumped by the NCAA, which had already decided.

"Emmert has been given full reign by the pansy presidents (at other universities) to make his own decision," said the trustee, who spoke on condition of anonymity. "He has been given the authority to impose these unprecedented sanctions. It's horrible."

Disgusting. Disgusting, Disgusting.

I really, really, really, really hope that this University gets the death penalty. THey have proven they deserve it at every turn.

[golfingomez]

can they do TV bans nowadays? without screwing up conference contracts?

[golfingomez]

of course, I've never understood why programs were never punished financially...

i.e. you can go about business as usual, but you donate all your profits to charity

[Mean Green 93-98]

Do we have any open scholarships to offer any potential Penn St. transfers? Never been more eager to pick over a dead corpse.

Yeah, I'm sure the Penn State players will be lining up to transfer to North Texas.

[UNTflyer]

Breaking from CNN: $30 million in fines.