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Harry Grand Master

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Thanks for posting Deep. Quick hits:

- two tallest defensive ends on the roster are both true frosh: Dilohga 6-4 and Horton 6-6

- 16 defensive backs, 9 defensive ends, 7 DT's (not including McDorman), 15 linebackers, 14 offensive linemen, 4 QB's, 9 running backs, 7 tight ends, 10 Wide receivers

- 1 punter, 1 kicker

- 93 total players on roster

- 27 freshmen, 9 RS freshmen, 20 sophs, 23 juniors, 14 seniors

- 9 players over 300 pounds

- 20 players 6-4 or taller

- Austin Orr still listed at dend? Thought he moved to DT.

- I see about 20 players on this roster who are of the walk-on variety... this is not a hard number because I know some of them have probably been given scholarships due to performance.

Division I-A teams have no restriction on how many players can be on the roster. Most teams carry about 99-105 players on their rosters, though some teams carry fewer. Available scholarships and playing-time concerns have caused most teams to stick around this number. The NCAA allows football teams to add up to 25 new scholarship players to the roster per academic year, so long as the total number of scholarship players does not exceed 85.

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Harry Grand Master

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Did anyone see the transfer Joe Astorga (#69) play in the spring? I don't remember him.

I also noticed that there is no #87 on the roster.

Astorga is from my neck of the woods, he played for WT White high school and went to Southwest Assemblies of God in Waxahachie. Evidently he blew up that league and decided to take a shot at the big leagues. He's short but very solid. With the short numbers at DT he will try for a roster spot as a backup.

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Thanks for posting Deep. Quick hits:

- two tallest defensive ends on the roster are both true frosh: Dilohga 6-4 and Horton 6-6

- 16 defensive backs, 9 defensive ends, 7 DT's (not including McDorman), 15 linebackers, 14 offensive linemen, 4 QB's, 9 running backs, 7 tight ends, 10 Wide receivers

- 1 punter, 1 kicker

- 93 total players on roster

- 27 freshmen, 9 RS freshmen, 20 sophs, 23 juniors, 14 seniors

- 9 players over 300 pounds

- 20 players 6-4 or taller

- Austin Orr still listed at dend? Thought he moved to DT.

- I see about 20 players on this roster who are of the walk-on variety... this is not a hard number because I know some of them have probably been given scholarships due to performance.

So we are approx. 12 short in the scholly players department this year. We will lose 14 to graduation and we will add 25 new ones next year. That would be 84 if there are no losses to injury, academics, love of the game, etc. I can see us still being short 5 - 10 scholly players next year.

I like that Mac is preaching redshirting so we can at least have a full allottment of scholarship players some day.

Here is my question - is this a Todd Dodge hangover or do a good number of schools go through this from time to time?

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Harry Grand Master

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So we are approx. 12 short in the scholly players department this year. We will lose 14 to graduation and we will add 25 new ones next year. That would be 84 if there are no losses to injury, academics, love of the game, etc. I can see us still being short 5 - 10 scholly players next year.

I like that Mac is preaching redshirting so we can at least have a full allottment of scholarship players some day.

Here is my question - is this a Todd Dodge hangover or do a good number of schools go through this from time to time?

Todd Dodge hangover to a certain extent - when he was in the death spiral he went heavy juco and that hurt our numbers. He also had a pretty fair amount of high school recruits who did not stay for a myriad of academic or other reasons. Mid majors, especially mid majors who sign a lot of jucos or high academic risks will go through this more often than power programs. Troy is a fairly good example and even Muts to a certain extent in our conference.

When Dodge was heading into his 4th year, I pointed out here and in other places that we were really hurting the UNT program, as well as the new coach that took his place and the opening of our new stadium. The reason was, Dodge HAD to win to save his job and he was willing to mortgage the future of the program to do it via juco. Dodge knew that he could not get it done with the players he had and could not get it done in time through high school recruits. My understanding was that the board did not want to eat two years of Dodge's contract (5 yr total), and by giving him the 4th year it allowed us to prop up compensation for his replacement. Did anyone really believe that Dodge was about to turn a corner in that final 4th year? When his assistants were leaving like rats from a sinking ship? Not really but since we needed him to stay so we could lure a better coach to replace him we went with it.

I still say if we had been able to payoff Dodge after year 3 and hire Mac we would be in a much better place right now. The argument to this is we didn't have the money to do it at the time and I think the student fees and when they were available may have come into this equation as well. I will agree with this, when Mac came on board we DRAMATICALLY enhanced our compensation package not just for Mac but for all of the assistants. So the outcome of giving Dodge a 4th year turned out good, it was just a year too late.

Before someone hits me for beating the Dodge horse let me say I liked the guy, he was a class act and so was his son. He just made some bad decisions that came back to haunt him and in turn this program. We are still trying to recover. That's why I am so ever so grateful to have Mac at the helm. GMG!

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Good...I'm kinda hoping a few more speed guys go over to the defensive side of the ball. Even with the additions to the roster, that secondary is scary thin.

A big part of me agrees with you, but another part remembers . . .

EDIT: Dude! Are you watching me on my computer right now?!?

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A big part of me agrees with you, but another part remembers . . .

A bit of a catch-22, I agree...but between Brown this year, Byrd for 2, Jimmerson for 4...and I'll throw Mark Lewis in the mix...I think running back is far more secure than the secondary and if he can find his way on the field at either position, the team would be better served with it being at DB.

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I agree we need some more depth in the secondary but Whitfield sure was a damn good running back in high school...

I can ussually find something to be critical of when watching film of a guy. I can't find anything to be critical of that film. If he is as good a DB as he is a RB he will be great.

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Harry, I believe that you are thinking of Alex Lincoln, rather than Austin Orr, having been transferred to DE. I believe that Austin Orr has always been a defensive end when he has been well enough to practice.

No, I recall hearing that somewhere too. Here is a passing mention of it in Vito's blog:

UNT lost starting defensive tackle Ryan Boutwell to a knee injury last week and is also without backup tackle Austin Orr (dislocated elbow).

http://www.dentonrc.com/sports/colleges/north-texas-headlines/20120414-college-football-unts-lincoln-thrust-into-spotlight-in-spring.ece

I'm sure he has a writeup somewhere of the move itself.

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