$7Million To Leave CUSA

MeanGreen61 · May 19, 2012

Leaving Conference USA for the Big East could cost UCF and three other schools as much as $7 million dollars apiece in exit fees.

UCF, Houston, Memphis and SMU will move to the Big East before the 2013-14 season. They are each contractually obligated to pay their annual share of television revenue under Conference USA's dual contracts with Fox Sports Network and CBS Sports for five years and an additional one-time $500,000 fee. That totals about $7 million.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-05-16/sports/os-main-c-usa-meetings-0517-20120516_1_usa-commissioner-britton-banowsky-conference-usa-exit-fees

LakeTravis · May 19, 2012

Wow, lol enjoy the BE suckers

Mark Gommesen · May 19, 2012

Leaving Conference USA for the Big East could cost UCF and three other schools as much as $7 million dollars apiece in exit fees.

UCF, Houston, Memphis and SMU will move to the Big East before the 2013-14 season. They are each contractually obligated to pay their annual share of television revenue under Conference USA's dual contracts with Fox Sports Network and CBS Sports for five years and an additional one-time $500,000 fee. That totals about $7 million.

http://articles.orla...e-usa-exit-fees

I think the each had pay an entrance fee of $2,000,000 to join the Big East.

GL2Greatness · May 19, 2012

Wow, lol enjoy the BE suckers

so 7 million - 500K = 6,500,000 / 5 years = 1,300,000 per year that teams in the CUSA get

football playing teams in the big East were getting 9 million per year or more

so 7 million to leave + 2 million to join = 9 million given up to get 7.7 million more per year for years to come.....yea that is a real "sucker move" there

this article says that WVU is looking to make 18 to 19 million in the Big 12 about double what it make in the BE

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/7574104/west-virginia-mountaineers-join-big-12-july-big-east-lawsuit-settlement

so on the low side that would be 9 million per year in the BE

this article says that UH was looking to make 3 million in CUSA (conflicts with the link in the OPs post) and 10 million with the new BE TV deal for a 7 million dollar difference per year

http://www.chron.com/sports/cougars/article/Amid-Big-East-celebration-UH-officials-talk-new-2393437.php

so even at those numbers that is still a 7 million dollar per year increase or 5.7 million more per year for the 5 years with reduced income which means that in year two teams moving from the CUSA to the BE will be 2.4 million ahead and from then on 7 million ahead per year......again that is a real "suckers bet" there

and if you use the low payout numbers for the BE from the OPs link and the high payout CUSA numbers from the UH link you are still at 7 million per year paid in the BE and 3 million per in the CUSA for a 4 million dollar advantage which means that in year 3 the new BE schools would be 3 million ahead and from then on 4 million per year ahead......again that is a real "suckers bet" there.......earning 133% more per year after a 2.5 year break even

glick1980 · May 19, 2012

so 7 million - 500K = 6,500,000 / 5 years = 1,300,000 per year that teams in the CUSA get

football playing teams in the big East were getting 9 million per year or more

so 7 million to leave + 2 million to join = 9 million given up to get 7.7 million more per year for years to come.....yea that is a real "sucker move" there

this article says that WVU is looking to make 18 to 19 million in the Big 12 about double what it make in the BE

http://espn.go.com/c...suit-settlement

so on the low side that would be 9 million per year in the BE

this article says that UH was looking to make 3 million in CUSA (conflicts with the link in the OPs post) and 10 million with the new BE TV deal for a 7 million dollar difference per year

http://www.chron.com...new-2393437.php

so even at those numbers that is still a 7 million dollar per year increase or 5.7 million more per year for the 5 years with reduced income which means that in year two teams moving from the CUSA to the BE will be 2.4 million ahead and from then on 7 million ahead per year......again that is a real "suckers bet" there

and if you use the low payout numbers for the BE from the OPs link and the high payout CUSA numbers from the UH link you are still at 7 million per year paid in the BE and 3 million per in the CUSA for a 4 million dollar advantage which means that in year 3 the new BE schools would be 3 million ahead and from then on 4 million per year ahead......again that is a real "suckers bet" there.......earning 133% more per year after a 2.5 year break even

The BE's current contranct only pays $5.3M per all-sports school. The $7M is just the exit fees. Memphis and UH's basketball credits total almost $10M along with $12M in new member fees, you are talking about $6.5M going to each remaining school. It will take about 3-4 years for the schools leaving CUSA to catch up to what the 8 remaining schools will be getting. Now the BE may have made $9M per school last year but not on its TV deal alone. CUSA schools in total made between $3-4M last year. WVU probably made a higher share than other BE schools seeing as they won the BE last year.

Edited May 19, 2012 by glick1980

GL2Greatness · May 19, 2012

The BE's current contranct only pays $5.3M per all-sports school. The $7M is just the exit fees. Memphis and UH's basketball credits total almost $10M along with $12M in new member fees, you are talking about $6.5M going to each remaining school. It will take about 3-4 years for the schools leaving CUSA to catch up to what the 8 remaining schools will be getting. Now the BE may have made $9M per school last year but not on its TV deal alone. CUSA schools in total made between $3-4M last year. WVU probably made a higher share than other BE schools seeing as they won the BE last year.

how exactly do you count new member fees when there would be no new member fees if teams were not leaving?

and since programs like Boise, UH, UCF and even SMU and SDSU that have more on the field success are all getting out of CUSA and since ECU that has clearly had more success would kill to get out of CUSA and even Navy is leaving I would think that the ADs of those programs are much more in tune with what the benefits of the new conference will be VS their old one

and since there have been zero programs to turn down an BE invite I would think all those ADs know a bit more than the fans on this forum with their clearly biased and easily refuted view on the changes and movement in conferences

drex · May 19, 2012

No matter what numbers you throw around, Ford stadium will still be half full for games no matter who SMU plays. Basketball will be dismal for them, as they will not be able to compete with established programs. SMU will probably take the place of Baylor over the last few years in not competing, but still collecting big money from the Big East's successful programs.

risinggreen · May 19, 2012

No matter what numbers you throw around, Ford stadium will still be half full for games no matter who SMU plays. Basketball will be dismal for them, as they will not be able to compete with established programs. SMU will probably take the place of Baylor over the last few years in not competing, but still collecting big money from the Big East's successful programs.

Half full? I think that's going WAY to the side of optimism.

Mark Gommesen · May 19, 2012

so 7 million - 500K = 6,500,000 / 5 years = 1,300,000 per year that teams in the CUSA get

football playing teams in the big East were getting 9 million per year or more

so 7 million to leave + 2 million to join = 9 million given up to get 7.7 million more per year for years to come.....yea that is a real "sucker move" there

this article says that WVU is looking to make 18 to 19 million in the Big 12 about double what it make in the BE

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/7574104/west-virginia-mountaineers-join-big-12-july-big-east-lawsuit-settlement

so on the low side that would be 9 million per year in the BE

this article says that UH was looking to make 3 million in CUSA (conflicts with the link in the OPs post) and 10 million with the new BE TV deal for a 7 million dollar difference per year

http://www.chron.com/sports/cougars/article/Amid-Big-East-celebration-UH-officials-talk-new-2393437.php

so even at those numbers that is still a 7 million dollar per year increase or 5.7 million more per year for the 5 years with reduced income which means that in year two teams moving from the CUSA to the BE will be 2.4 million ahead and from then on 7 million ahead per year......again that is a real "suckers bet" there

and if you use the low payout numbers for the BE from the OPs link and the high payout CUSA numbers from the UH link you are still at 7 million per year paid in the BE and 3 million per in the CUSA for a 4 million dollar advantage which means that in year 3 the new BE schools would be 3 million ahead and from then on 4 million per year ahead......again that is a real "suckers bet" there.......earning 133% more per year after a 2.5 year break even

They are each contractually obligated to pay their annual share of television revenue under Conference USA's dual contracts with Fox Sports Network and CBS Sports for five years and an additional one-time $500,000 fee.

C-USA alone will realize $6.63 million apiece from Memphis, UCF, SMU and Houston when they leave to join the Big East after the 2013 basketball season, according to C-USA assistant commissioner for public affairs Courtney Morrison-Archer.

http://www.herald-dispatch.com/sports/marshall/x68581392/Exit-fees-precede-merger-for-C-USA

2 million entrance fee.

Total cost $9.183 million over a five year period

Last year the Big East turned down a nine-year, $1.4 billion deal ($155 million per year), which would have been worth about $14.3 million a year to the full members and about $3.2 million to the non-football members.

If the Big East's new deal is worth the same amount per year ($155 million) each school would receive a smaller amount than the deal the league turned down last year because there are now more members. Full members would receive about $11.4 million per year, football-only members Boise State and San Diego State would receive about $8.4 million annually and non-football members about $3 million a year.

Total revenues over five years $42 million! Net gain of $32.817 or $6.5634 per year

The current C-USA media contact CUSA

5 years, $35 million, CBS College Sports (through 2016)

5 years, $35 million, Fox (through 2016)

Annual: $14 million

Average Annual per School: $1.17 million

$6.5634 million less $1.17 million = $5.3934 gain year in 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016 at total of $21.5736 million earned by joining the big east in the first four years!**

9.183/5.3934 = 1.7 years to pay back total expenses to join the BE.

** I did not include basketball tournament revenue and other sources for the BE or the C-USA. It is difficult to accurately forecast these amounts because they are determined by unknown factors as number tournament invitations and team projections. However, it is save to assume that these revenues were significantly higher for the BE than the C-USA.

*** Another unknown factor is an increase in travel expenses.

The total cost of joining the BE and lost revenues from the C-USA only totals $2 million a year.

Edited May 19, 2012 by Mark Gommesen

GL2Greatness · May 19, 2012

No matter what numbers you throw around, Ford stadium will still be half full for games no matter who SMU plays. Basketball will be dismal for them, as they will not be able to compete with established programs. SMU will probably take the place of Baylor over the last few years in not competing, but still collecting big money from the Big East's successful programs.

half full, winning more and going to bowl games, and collecting more money beats .55% full in a new stadium, having a losing season, and collecting next to no money...and even after a conference switch half full and collecting more money still beats half full and collecting less money and losing a lot more

risinggreen · May 19, 2012

half full, winning more and going to bowl games, and collecting more money beats .55% full in a new stadium, having a losing season, and collecting next to no money...and even after a conference switch half full and collecting more money still beats half full and collecting less money and losing a lot more

What? Don't you people have your own board, or was it shut down again for lack of interest?

Green Mean · May 19, 2012

half full, winning more and going to bowl games, and collecting more money beats .55% full in a new stadium, having a losing season, and collecting next to no money...and even after a conference switch half full and collecting more money still beats half full and collecting less money and losing a lot more

Isn't it a little presumptuous to assume we'll continue just getting more than half full stadiums and continue the path of losing seasons and think SMU will continue this some sort of apparent renaissance that you think they're on? Where has SMU's money gotten them in producing results on the field or court? The last couple of years have been pretty good with June Jones coming but he's dying to leave the first pretty good opportunity that comes to him and when a school actually wants him to sign an agreement. And with the couple of bowl games they have gotten there attendance has gotten them nowhere in the eye of their own alumni and students.

bstnsportsfan3 · May 19, 2012

half full, winning more and going to bowl games, and collecting more money beats .55% full in a new stadium, having a losing season, and collecting next to no money...and even after a conference switch half full and collecting more money still beats half full and collecting less money and losing a lot more

just curious troll....which bridge do u live under?

Mark Gommesen · May 19, 2012

No matter what numbers you throw around, Ford stadium will still be half full for games no matter who SMU plays. Basketball will be dismal for them, as they will not be able to compete with established programs. SMU will probably take the place of Baylor over the last few years in not competing, but still collecting big money from the Big East's successful programs.

Bingo! Attendance will be SMU greatest challenge! SMU average attendance was a dismal 20,889 and they against primarily regional opponents. In the Big East, SMU only has one competitor in central time zone, Houston. With the exception of Houston and Memphis, SMU next closet competitor in the Big East is nearly 1000 miles a way. With TCU joining the Big 12, the Hornfrogs will have three teams with the Big 12 within 200 miles. If schools like Oklahoma, TCU or Baylor are looking for an additional regional game, they probably prefer not to pickup an OOC game with a Big East school, for several reasons. First, the revenue sharing would be more favorable with a major-minor team. The Big East team is a competitor in the same media market and has a major media contract. The Big 12 does not want to give them any more media exposure or alleviate the prestige of any Big East team. Major conference teams book OOC games with teams where they can reasonably expect a victory. The Big 12 will not provide the Big East will an opportunity to defeat a Big 12 during the regular season.

It will be difficult for SMU in the future to book regional OOC with the Big 12. Most of SMU competitors in the Big East are not in the same region as SMU nor do they have a large fan or alumni base in DFW. The C-USA has created built in regional rivalries within the conference, these schools may be more interested in seeking "big money" high exposure games outside the region.

Ford Field may become a very very lonely place. I would expect that a game between SMU and UNT might actually become an annual event. Such a game would boost the attendance at both schools. TCU and SMU games will become a rarity. SMU's alumni only number 112,000, with 40,000 in the DFW region. No regional rivalries except Houston within the Big East, the regional Big 12 schools will not schedule an OOC game with SMU, Regional major-minors looking for "big payday" games elsewhere and and a small alumni base in DFW, all add up to an empty stadium.

Edited May 19, 2012 by Mark Gommesen

glick1980 · May 19, 2012

how exactly do you count new member fees when there would be no new member fees if teams were not leaving?

and since programs like Boise, UH, UCF and even SMU and SDSU that have more on the field success are all getting out of CUSA and since ECU that has clearly had more success would kill to get out of CUSA and even Navy is leaving I would think that the ADs of those programs are much more in tune with what the benefits of the new conference will be VS their old one

and since there have been zero programs to turn down an BE invite I would think all those ADs know a bit more than the fans on this forum with their clearly biased and easily refuted view on the changes and movement in conferences

The BE will make more money than CUSA, but it is an absolute dumpster fire. Look at all the dissention. Most of the CUSA and MWC teams joined becuase they were promissed a huge TV deal that was obviously greatly overestimated.

GL2Greatness · May 19, 2012

Isn't it a little presumptuous to assume we'll continue just getting more than half full stadiums and continue the path of losing seasons and think SMU will continue this some sort of apparent renaissance that you think they're on? Where has SMU's money gotten them in producing results on the field or court? The last couple of years have been pretty good with June Jones coming but he's dying to leave the first pretty good opportunity that comes to him and when a school actually wants him to sign an agreement. And with the couple of bowl games they have gotten there attendance has gotten them nowhere in the eye of their own alumni and students.

where did I say that SMU was having some type of renaissance...they are winning with their current head coach and even if they have the same record over the next few years and even if they have the same elvel of fan support they will still be making a great deal more money in CUSA

and what leads you to presume that North I hope none of you will judge me too harshly when I confess that I've always thought Jerry Sandusky was just misunderstood will have large increases in fans when the winning in the past did not bring huge new fans and the novelty of the new stadium did not bring huge new fans

Bingo! Attendance will be SMU greatest challenge! In the Big East, SMU only has one competitor in central time zone, Houston. With the exception of Houston and Memphis, SMU next closet competitor in the Big East is nearly 1000 miles a way. With TCU joining the Big 12, the Hornfrogs will have three teams with the Big 12 within 200 miles. If schools like Oklahoma, TCU or Baylor are looking for an additional regional game, they probably prefer not to pickup an OOC game with a Big East school, for several reasons. First, the revenue sharing would be more favorable with a major-minor team. The Big East team is a competitor in the same media market and has a major media contract. The Big 12 does not want to give them any more media exposure or alleviate the prestige of any Big East team. Major conference teams book OOC games with teams where they can reasonably expect a victory. The Big 12 will not provide the Big East will an opportunity to defeat a Big 12 during the regular season.

It will be difficult for SMU in the future to book regional OOC with the Big 12. Most of SMU competitors in the Big East are not in the same region as SMU nor do they have a large fan or alumni base in DFW. The C-USA has created built in regional rivalries within the conference, these schools may be more interested in seeking "big money" high exposure games outside the region.

Ford Field may become a very very lonely place. I would expect that a game between SMU and UNT might actually become an annual event. Such a game would boost the attendance at both schools. TCU and SMU games will become a rarity. The real question s does UNT need a game with SMU?

yes bingo of course.....if you ignore the fact that in 2012 SMU will have 10 out of 12 games in Texas with and 9 of those Texas games in the central time zone and

in 2013 they will have at least 8 games in Texas with 4 conference home games + Tech and Baylor @ Home and TCU and TAMU on the road and if Houston is an away game that year then SMU will have 9 of 12 games in Texas

in 2014 SMU will have at least 8 games in Texas with Baylor and and North I hope none of you will judge me too harshly when I confess that I've always thought Jerry Sandusky was just misunderstood on the road and TCU and TAMU at home

in 2015 they will have at least 7 games in Texas with 4 home conference games and North I hope none of you will judge me too harshly when I confess that I've always thought Jerry Sandusky was just misunderstood and Baylor at home and TCU on the road + one game not yet on the schedule

in 2016 and 2017 they will have at least 7 games in Texas and in 2018 at least 6

so they don't have some big issue with time zones or distance to games and the like

TCU and SMU are scheduled to play through 2018 so that is not a "rarity" and there are 12 D1-A schools in Texas alone with 5 different conferences represented and one team TAMU that has 4 of the teams that currently will not play them along with close by schools OU and OkState

just in the states touching Texas there are 23 teams in D1-A and SMU is in a conference with only one of them so there are plenty of schools for SMU to schedule games with and they currently have that mostly wrapped up through 2018

so your issues are non-existant and you might feel that North I hope none of you will judge me too harshly when I confess that I've always thought Jerry Sandusky was just misunderstood does not need SMU, but it is SMU so far that has wrapped up teams in Texas to fill their schedule and there are more D1-AA teams to schedule as well for a single game in Texas also

The BE will make more money than CUSA, but it is an absolute dumpster fire. Look at all the dissention. Most of the CUSA and MWC teams joined becuase they were promissed a huge TV deal that was obviously greatly overestimated.

yes VS a conference that has had a larger number of teams leave.....that UTEP and Tulsa have talked about wanting to leave and that is adding 3 teams that are moving up to D1-AA after just starting a football program and that has gone from 12 teams to at least 13 teams and probably 14 teams with no real discussion about adding more money

and the BE contract is not done yet and they were already offered 155 million per year and declined it so it is doubtful the contract would go below that and there is a good chance it will go higher

Mark Gommesen · May 19, 2012

where did I say that SMU was having some type of renaissance...they are winning with their current head coach and even if they have the same record over the next few years and even if they have the same elvel of fan support they will still be making a great deal more money in CUSA

and what leads you to presume that North Texas~Denton will have large increases in fans when the winning in the past did not bring huge new fans and the novelty of the new stadium did not bring huge new fans

yes bingo of course.....if you ignore the fact that in 2012 SMU will have 10 out of 12 games in Texas with and 9 of those Texas games in the central time zone and

in 2013 they will have at least 8 games in Texas with 4 conference home games + Tech and Baylor @ Home and TCU and TAMU on the road and if Houston is an away game that year then SMU will have 9 of 12 games in Texas

in 2014 SMU will have at least 8 games in Texas with Baylor and and North Texas~Denton on the road and TCU and TAMU at home

in 2015 they will have at least 7 games in Texas with 4 home conference games and North Texas~Denton and Baylor at home and TCU on the road + one game not yet on the schedule

in 2016 and 2017 they will have at least 7 games in Texas and in 2018 at least 6

so they don't have some big issue with time zones or distance to games and the like

TCU and SMU are scheduled to play through 2018 so that is not a "rarity" and there are 12 D1-A schools in Texas alone with 5 different conferences represented and one team TAMU that has 4 of the teams that currently will not play them along with close by schools OU and OkState

just in the states touching Texas there are 23 teams in D1-A and SMU is in a conference with only one of them so there are plenty of schools for SMU to schedule games with and they currently have that mostly wrapped up through 2018

so your issues are non-existant and you might feel that North Texas~Denton does not need SMU, but it is SMU so far that has wrapped up teams in Texas to fill their schedule and there are more D1-AA teams to schedule as well for a single game in Texas also

yes VS a conference that has had a larger number of teams leave.....that UTEP and Tulsa have talked about wanting to leave and that is adding 3 teams that are moving up to D1-AA after just starting a football program and that has gone from 12 teams to at least 13 teams and probably 14 teams with no real discussion about adding more money

and the BE contract is not done yet and they were already offered 155 million per year and declined it so it is doubtful the contract would go below that and there is a good chance it will go higher

The issue is not whether or not SMU has games in Texas, issue is how many home games does SMU have with regional opponents at home. In 2013 only two. In 2014 only three. In 2015 one. Once SMU joins the Big East, it wlll become very difficult or if not impossible to schedule OOC games with Big 12 teams.

In the Big East, SMU only has one competitor in central time zone, Houston. With the exception of Houston and Memphis, SMU 's next closet competitor in the Big East is nearly a 1000 miles a way. SMU will only play Houston every other year. Big fans are not going travel a 1000 miles to Dallas to attend a game.

Remember the schedules you are referring to are tentative. Many of Big 12 games will probably be eliminated. Bigs do not play other Bigs during the regular season for many reasons. It reduces the importance of the Bowl games. Big 12 does not not want to elevate the other conference if they lose to a Big East conference. They only reason these games were ever scheduled is because SMU was member of the a major-minor conference. Say good bye to these games.

Edited May 19, 2012 by Mark Gommesen

GL2Greatness · May 19, 2012

The issue is not whether or not SMU has games in Texas, issue is how many home games does SMU have with regional opponents at home. In 2013 only two. In 2014 only three. In 2015 one. Once SMU joins the Big East, it wlll become very difficult or if not impossible to schedule OOC games with Big 12 teams.

In the Big East, SMU only has one competitor in central time zone, Houston. With the exception of Houston and Memphis, SMU 's next closet competitor in the Big East is nearly a 1000 miles a way. SMU will only play Houston every other year. Big fans are not going travel a 1000 miles to Dallas to attend a game.

Remember the schedules you are referring to are tentative. Many of Big 12 games will probably be eliminated. Bigs do not play other Bigs during the regular season for many reasons. It reduces the importance of the Bowl games. Big 12 does not not want to elevate the other conference if they lose to a Big East conference. They only reason these games were ever scheduled is because SMU was member of the a major-minor conference. Say good bye to these games.

the Big 12 does not care about "elevating" or not elevating the BE.....the Big 12 cares about home and home games, games with teams that their fans can travel to, and games in areas that are in areas they recruit

and why does it matter if SMU is playing a Texas team that is in conference or out of conference that is just a ridiculous argument and it is easily proven as such

TCU did just fine when they were the only Texas team in their conference in the MWC.....Boise has moved conferences three times from the Big West to the WAC to the MWC and they are looking to move again to the BE....what about all those "close by rivals" they were leaving behind each time clearly it was a huge mistake for their program t leave all that behind

USF left behind teams in the CUSA that were close by rivals and they enjoyed being the only Florida team in the BE

you are thinking like a true low end program with the idea that you need other fans to show up to make your program something and the idea that teams sit around worrying about elevating other conferences those are just silly ideas that fans of programs that suck cling to instead of going out and doing for themselves

by your concept the Texas should have never played Rice all those years because what if Rice beat them...oh wait that can't happen unless Rice is suddenly in the BE then it would be a huge disaster that would elevate an entire conference.....again that is loser thinking that requires a "conference" to do the major leg work for a program VS a major program doing their own lifting and trying to do it in the best conference possible

schools that want success look at all 120+ D1-A programs as their competition not just those schools that are close by that can deliver fans that is just silly

Edited May 19, 2012 by GL2Greatness

Green Mean · May 19, 2012

where did I say that SMU was having some type of renaissance...they are winning with their current head coach and even if they have the same record over the next few years and even if they have the same elvel of fan support they will still be making a great deal more money in CUSA

and what leads you to presume that North Texas~Denton will have large increases in fans when the winning in the past did not bring huge new fans and the novelty of the new stadium did not bring huge new fans

I'm not really assuming anything...I know that UNT has come a long way the last decade and we're a very large public institution in a top 5 media market and if the cards are played right and things fall into place we could very well be a pretty important player in college athletics success...at least in the area of real non power conferences. We probably had the worst era led by a coach in the history of the CFB probably and yet we were able to get a new football stadium and despite all that...it is a huge surprise that our attendance wasn't as bad as what it should have been. Combined that we've had some pretty good success in basketball and have become the best basketball program in the metroplex. So in my eyes I see that there is at least some hope given our size and uptick. So no I am not assuming much of anything as nothing is a guarantee. SMU has won for a few years now and yet nobody seems to give a damn...you tout the money they'll be making in the big east and I don't question you there but money has never been the issue with them. Many of their idiot fans themselves always say "oh don't worry we'll just buy for such and such person to come here" or things of that nature. The only thing I'll give SMU the benefit of the doubt is they're about 1/4 of our size but then again they supposedly are the ones with some illustrious history.

And you're comment on your agenda being trying to correct the lies and misinterpreted ideas UNT fans have...then just let it go...let us live in this shadow and get the heck out of this board. Let us be totally wrong and live in a dream world. I'll ask you again...why the heck do you CARE so much?

Mark Gommesen · May 19, 2012

the Big 12 does not care about "elevating" or not elevating the BE.....the Big 12 cares about home and home games, games with teams that their fans can travel to, and games in areas that are in areas they recruit

and why does it matter if SMU is playing a Texas team that is in conference or out of conference that is just a ridiculous argument and it is easily proven as such

TCU did just fine when they were the only Texas team in their conference in the MWC.....Boise has moved conferences three times from the Big West to the WAC to the MWC and they are looking to move again to the BE....what about all those "close by rivals" they were leaving behind each time clearly it was a huge mistake for their program t leave all that behind

USF left behind teams in the CUSA that were close by rivals and they enjoyed being the only Florida team in the BE

you are thinking like a true low end program with the idea that you need other fans to show up to make your program something and the idea that teams sit around worrying about elevating other conferences those are just silly ideas that fans of programs that suck cling to instead of going out and doing for themselves

by your concept the Texas should have never played Rice all those years because what if Rice beat them...oh wait that can't happen unless Rice is suddenly in the BE then it would be a huge disaster that would elevate an entire conference.....again that is loser thinking that requires a "conference" to do the major leg work for a program VS a major program doing their own lifting and trying to do it in the best conference possible

schools that want success look at all 120+ D1-A programs as their competition not just those schools that are close by that can deliver fans that is just silly

Although SMU has tenative scheduling agreements with some Big 12 teams in the future, these games will be eliminated. The Big 12 has just completed an tv broadcasting agreement with ESPN and Fox. The Big East will begin negotiations on September 1 with ESPN and Fox. TV broadcast networks are not going to pay twice for the rights to broadcast the same game. Just another reason why bigs don't play other bigs during the regular season The only exception to this rule is major regional rivalry. But, this exception does not apply to SMU. Other D1 programs have large alumni and student base, SMU does not. 40,000 alumni in DFW, 6600 undergraduates where are the bodies coming from to fill seats? Texas playing Rice proves my point, Bigs prefer to play an OOC with a regional opponent that is a member of a major mnor. This also why we will not see Texas play TAMU in the near future after TAMU joins the SEC. Big conferences avoid playing other Big Conferences during the regular season especially if they are the same region., that's why there are Bowl games. Its just a fact. That's why fans mourn the lost of rivalries when one team leaves one Big 6 conference for another Big 6 conference. It is simple fact a big 6 conference team will not book a game against team in another big 6 conference team especially in the same region. Edited May 19, 2012 by Mark Gommesen

GreenMachine · May 19, 2012

I bet money that GL2Greatness got his D&D playing ass kicked by a bunch of NT football players AND the only girl that ever touched his tiny weiner had a train pulled on her by the entire basketball team. DB to the nth degree.

GL2Greatness · May 19, 2012

Although SMU has tenative scheduling agreements with some Big 12 teams in the future, these games will be eliminated. The Big 12 has just completed an tv broadcasting agreement with ESPN and Fox. The Big East will begin negotiations on September 1 with ESPN and Fox. TV broadcast networks are not going to pay twice for the rights to broadcast the same game. Just another reason why bigs don't play other bigs during the regular season The only exception to this rule is major regional rivalry. But, this exception does not apply to SMU. Other D1 programs have large alumni and student base, SMU does not. 40,000 alumni in DFW, 6600 undergraduates where are the bodies coming from to fill seats? Texas playing Rice proves my point, Bigs prefer to play an OOC with a regional opponent that is a member of a major mnor. This also why we will not see Texas play TAMU in the near future after TAMU joins the SEC. Big conferences avoid playing other Big Conferences during the regular season especially if they are the same region., that's why there are Bowl games. Its just a fact. That's why fans mourn the lost of rivalries when one team leaves one Big 6 conference for another Big 6 conference. It is simple fact a big 6 conference team will not book a game against team in another big 6 conference team especially in the same region.

the Big 12 just completed a deal with Fox for second tier rights last year starting this year.....the other agreement is just a rumor at this point

they would not be paying twice for the same content because the rights are for the home team only and SMU is just a single team from conferences with 10 teams and 10 or so teams

the BE has already declined a deal with ESPN one time and they will be negotiating with Comcast/NBC most likely next so again the idea (already proven false) of paying twice for the same content is not true

Big 12 teams don't care about other teams fans showing up they care about their own teams fans showing up that is why they are in the Big 12 not the belt

Rice has next to no fans...Texas prefers to play them because they will move the game to Reliant and let Texas sell all the tickets they can and Texas would work that deal with anyone.....Texas would play Houston, but UH had an issue with trying to limit Texas selling seats and then when UH placed Texas fans in temp bleachers those bleachers were declared unsafe and Texas blew them off

Texas will not play TAMU in the future because TAMU acted like such low class babies when they left the Big 12 and blamed it all on Texas even though TAMU was in favor and actually the largest beneficiary of unequal revenue in the last few years

there is not going to be a mass rescheduling of games with SMU and Big 12 schools that is just pure garbage you can believe what you wish, but that is just your reality and simply not actual reality

top teams usually avoid playing each other because they prefer to get home games so they have 7 games at home per season and they can sell more season tickets to their own fans for higher prices and it is easier to buy in teams that are willing to whore themselves out like North I hope none of you will judge me too harshly when I confess that I've always thought Jerry Sandusky was just misunderstood

glick1980 · May 20, 2012

Why do you keep saying North I frequently have to go to the doctor to have foreign objects removed from my rectum and why do you keep posting here? Obviously you are quite jealous....

ntmeangreen11 · May 20, 2012

Really how shitty is your life when you get enjoyment out of coming to forums to troll North Texas fans?

How does one wake up and think, "I'll show those guys at UNT by posting on gomeangreen and refuting everything their posters say while trolling them every month or so under new user names MUAHAHAHAHAHA?"

I genuinely don't see how or why anyone would spend time doing that.

glick1980 · May 20, 2012

Why do you keep saying North I frequently have to go to the doctor to have foreign objects removed from my rectum and why do you keep posting here? Obviously you are quite jealous....

Not another one of these!!!!!