Benford a finalist...

MeanGreenTexan · April 18, 2012

My memory may be off , but didn't Capel have a mass exit of players & pos record after the ncaa found out kids were getting paid ?

I know he was never implicated of anything , but I have a hard time believing the head coach didn't know this was going on

Someone refresh my memory here

Yep. OU boosters paying players... what else is new up there? :rolleyes:

Whether or not Capel knew is almost irrelevant to our situation as we don't really have that kind of booster @ UNT (The stupid-rich, brazen kind)... but, it still has to be in the back of RV's mind when considering him.

I think a guy with program-building HC experience (VCU), Power-6 HC experience (OU), and a stint as an assistant under coach K. has got to be a person you take a close look at, if not favor.

NT03 · April 18, 2012

I know he landed and lost TJ Taylor in the space of a semester.

I remember that because he was one of the suspects we were tracking down the night the "Big Transfer News" rumors (that wound up being Tony Mitchell) were swirling.

I know TJ didn't care for him too much. That doesn't really mean anything. I have no idea who was right or wrong in that

whole ordeal . Capel could be a good guy for all I know

Edited April 18, 2012 by NT03

Rudy · April 18, 2012

Men's and women's basketball are 2 very different animals.

Women's basketball coaches make significantly less money, because there are very few women's programs that turn a profit. Therefore the playing field is more level in terms of salary across the board.

Gagree, but my point is I find it less likely that our Men's team is not a more attractive coaching job.

Green Mean · April 18, 2012

Capel is definitely more intriguing to me because I didn't realize that he is only 37 years old and has 9 years of head coaching experience at VCU and OU. Wow I think that would be a heck of a hire because you're getting a really young and credible dude under the Coach K coaching tree but still heavily experienced with going to the tourneys and coaching superstars like Blake Griffin. Hire Capel or Forrest or perhaps Capel as HC and Forrest as a highly paid assistant/coach in waiting and I'll be more than satisfied.

MeanGreenTexan · April 18, 2012

Capel is definitely more intriguing to me because I didn't realize that he is only 37 years old and has 9 years of head coaching experience at VCU and OU. Wow I think that would be a heck of a hire because you're getting a really young and credible dude under the Coach K coaching tree but still heavily experienced with going to the tourneys and coaching superstars like Blake Griffin. Hire Capel or Forrest or perhaps Capel as HC and Forrest as a highly paid assistant/coach in waiting and I'll be more than satisfied.

I would be on cloud 9. But I doubt Forrest stays without a "Head Coach" title next to his name.

greenminer · April 18, 2012

Wow I think that would be a heck of a hire because you're getting a really young and credible dude under the Coach K coaching tree but still heavily experienced with going to the tourneys and coaching superstars like Blake Griffin.

It might be of interest to see how K's former coaches tend to do on their own.

BigDanTeague · April 23, 2012

Anybody ever come up with an actual explanation for calling Buzz Williams a despicable human being?

eulessismore · April 23, 2012

Anybody ever come up with an actual explanation for calling Buzz Williams a despicable human being?

I have no answer to your question, but congrats on the first post, BigDan. BTW, love that avatar!

CMJ · April 23, 2012

Anybody ever come up with an actual explanation for calling Buzz Williams a despicable human being?

TheTastyGreek · April 23, 2012

It's not just the fact that he abandoned UNO at the worst possible time, costing them their recruiting class and arguably becoming the most devastating non-meteorological domino in the process that ultimately knocked their entire athletics program out of Division 1...

It's also the complete lack of ethics (and basic human decency) that the man has shown since a cruel and unjust universe rewarded his scumbaggery with a Big East coaching job.

Just last week, Williams "released" Aaron Durley from the LOI he signed back in November. Durley had a bad Senior year, and Williams was kind enough to "release" him to pursue other opportunities. Just in time for Marquette to bring in a transfer from Arizona State. And they just so happened to announce the "release" at the end of the day on Friday- standard procedure for any story you want to bury in the news cycle.

Durley is playing this pretty graciously, all things considered. The worst he's said publicly was a Twitter post saying: "I'm not gonna lie, this hurts." I don't know if I'd be so polite about making a commitment to a man and a program and then being told, 2 weeks into signing period and 5 months after I'd signed a piece of paper saying I was going to Marquette, that instead I was now "released" to pursue opportunities at Chattanooga or any other school that wanted me before but may or may not have a scholarship available anymore.

Contrast Durley's "release" with the clear screwjob Williams pulled on D.J. Newbill. Newbill signs an LOI in April of 2010. 2 months later, at the end of June... Williams refuses to honor the scholarship. You can't even blame that one on a weak performance, because the high school season was long over by that point. Williams made promises and took a commitment from a kid, then yanked the rug out from under him 8 weeks later. After signing period was over, and the kid literally COULD NOT get a binding agreement (whatever that's worth, looking at how coaches like Williams treat them) from any school under NCAA rules.

Every year, it seems like some kid gets lied to, screwed over, or jerked around like that by Buzz Williams. It's so understood as his general process that his critics (within the Marquette program!) have a term form it: getting Buzzsawed.

And that's to say nothing of the guy whoring himself out every offseason to anyone and everyone looking to make a splash hire. He goes on an interview tour, gets himself another raise, and settles back in at Marquette.

So, to summarize, in reverse order of morally horrifying behavior: He's a jobslut; basically the Todd Graham of college basketball. His surprise abandonment was the railroad spike (too big to be a simple nail) in UNO's athletic coffin. And he habitually screws over teenage kids who've pledged themselves to play for him, signed binding paperwork committing to attend his school, and then ultimately found themselves without the scholarship they'd signed paperwork accepting.

Sports are full of scummy people. College sports are often some of the worst. Buzz Williams is a selfish, dishonest, exploitative, conniving piece of crap who, in a just universe, would have absolutely no power to influence or control the lives and educations of young men.

angel1972 · April 23, 2012

Buzz Williams tried to recruit my son and the first thing he tells us is how he use to have a relationship with my sons high school coaches wife I thought that was highly inappropriate and made me uncomfortable. He's not a very nice Guy....imo

TheTastyGreek · April 23, 2012

Buzz Williams tried to recruit my son and the first thing he tells us is how he use to have a relationship with my sons high school coaches wife I thought that was highly inappropriate and made me uncomfortable. He's not a very nice Guy....imo

Unreal... Thank you for sharing that.

So now I guess we can add "I used to bang the woman your coach married" as recruiting pitch to the list of reasons to dislike Buzz.

Rudy · April 23, 2012

Unreal... Thank you for sharing that.

So now I guess we can add "I used to bang the woman your coach married" as recruiting pitch to the list of reasons to dislike Buzz.

I don't recall ever seeing that pitch option on NCAA.