UNT commit Dylan McDorman named to DFW All Area 4A Team

Harry · January 4, 2012

1st Team Selection on Defensive Line

http://theoldcoach.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1311706

All About UNT · January 4, 2012

1st Team Selection on Defensive Line

http://theoldcoach.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1311706

Hell yeah... that kid was a total score.

Harry · January 4, 2012

Rumors on Vito's blog that Iowa State may be sniffing around. Can't believe Paul Rhoads would stab McCarney the guy that gave him an opportunity to coach at ISU like that...but it's a cut throat business. I hear it gets very cold up there.

It is a nice sign that all of these recruits are getting interest from these other programs...havent seen that much around here lately. Says something about our coaching staff, the facility improvements. Just hope these guys stay true to their word! GMG!

Mean Green 93-98 · January 4, 2012

Congrats, Dylan!

UNTLifer · January 4, 2012

I would like to think that McDorman, as well as Walling and LaFrance, are young men of good character and will all stand by their word.

Dr. Seuss · January 5, 2012

They change there minds all the time, its nothing new... Just like how weve gotten recruits that decommited, our commits will decommit.. this is nothing about character, its life decisions

Edited January 5, 2012 by Dr. Seuss

KRAM1 · January 5, 2012

They change there minds all the time, its nothing new... Just like how weve gotten recruits that decommited, our commits will decommit.. this is nothing about character, its life decisions

We disagree, Sir. While it happens all the time, it does say something about one's character whether you like it or not. I understand why it happens and accept it as a part of the recruiting "game" as coaches pull offers and kids de-commit on a regular basis. But, it does say something about one's character...both parties...if the coach pulls the offer it says something about the coach and the program, if a kid commits and then changes it says something about the kid. Just the way it is. While I respect that you can have the opinion you do, it tells me something that you believe it has nothing to do with character.

When i give someone my word, i stick by it...even if "better" opportunities seem to arrive after the fact. It's a part of life one must learn and it's a weakness in our society today when folks start thinking it's just "they way it is". Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose...life can be that way. If a kid "jumps" at the first offer given just as an insurance policy, then he receives a "better" offer and changes, well, yes, it says something.

In this case, good Dr. Suess, and I understand our vast age differences here, I have to respectfully disagree with you....life decisions can be tough sometimes. So what?

greenminer · January 5, 2012

We disagree, Sir. While it happens all the time, it does say something about one's character whether you like it or not. I understand why it happens and accept it as a part of the recruiting "game" as coaches pull offers and kids de-commit on a regular basis. But, it does say something about one's character...both parties...if the coach pulls the offer it says something about the coach and the program, if a kid commits and then changes it says something about the kid. Just the way it is. While I respect that you can have the opinion you do, it tells me something that you believe it has nothing to do with character.

When i give someone my word, i stick by it...even if "better" opportunities seem to arrive after the fact. It's a part of life one must learn and it's a weakness in our society today when folks start thinking it's just "they way it is". Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose...life can be that way. If a kid "jumps" at the first offer given just as an insurance policy, then he receives a "better" offer and changes, well, yes, it says something.

In this case, good Dr. Suess, and I understand our vast age differences here, I have to respectfully disagree with you....life decisions can be tough sometimes. So what?

So if a coach signs a five-year at ASU, then bolts after year one to Auburn for 5x the money, is he of low character or - with family in mind - a guy using common sense?

UNTLifer · January 5, 2012

So if a coach signs a five-year at ASU, then bolts after year one to Auburn for 5x the money, is he of low character or - with family in mind - a guy using common sense?

Apples and Oranges, but I think people should stand by their committments. Today's society is "all about me," so I think this is a generational issue. Change isn't always good.

Green Mean · January 5, 2012

Apples and Oranges, but I think people should stand by their committments. Today's society is "all about me," so I think this is a generational issue. Change isn't always good.

The "all about me" society is there but in this case you want the kids to make the best decision possible that they have their heart in. I really don't understand if kids back out of a verbal commitment that they lack any character. And no it isn't really apples and oranges. The same principles apply. The "Change isn't always good" stance can apply to coaches as well based on your theory. Like I said previously that once these kids commit to a school they're more than likely going to be at that school for the next 4-5 years of their life. They can always transfer sure but with having to wait a year to become eligible is just a beat down.

Circumstances change from time to time...when you are looking for a job and one company gives you an offer you accept but in the meantime the next day one company you absolutely covet calls you and makes you an offer that is better and you feel your heart would be in that job more and you take it...how is that a demonstration of bad character? Change is about making yourself better and advancing in your life. Sure you can win some and lose some but to question someones character is a far reaching stretch in my opinion.

Dr. Seuss · January 5, 2012

We disagree, Sir. While it happens all the time, it does say something about one's character whether you like it or not. I understand why it happens and accept it as a part of the recruiting "game" as coaches pull offers and kids de-commit on a regular basis. But, it does say something about one's character...both parties...if the coach pulls the offer it says something about the coach and the program, if a kid commits and then changes it says something about the kid. Just the way it is. While I respect that you can have the opinion you do, it tells me something that you believe it has nothing to do with character.

When i give someone my word, i stick by it...even if "better" opportunities seem to arrive after the fact. It's a part of life one must learn and it's a weakness in our society today when folks start thinking it's just "they way it is". Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose...life can be that way. If a kid "jumps" at the first offer given just as an insurance policy, then he receives a "better" offer and changes, well, yes, it says something.

In this case, good Dr. Suess, and I understand our vast age differences here, I have to respectfully disagree with you....life decisions can be tough sometimes. So what?

So if a coach pulls an offer from a kid because they filled all there scholarships... How is that showing bad character??? So youre saying that we should not take any transfers or players that decommitted from other schools because we only want people with the utmost character...

Youre saying if Mario Edwards decommitts from Florida State, he is lacking character.. Thats the most bs, ive ever heard. You dont know the persons story and who are you to judge what they have to do in their life. This is one of the toughest decisions in a athletes life, and youre saying that once you choose you cant change youre mind.... Please, give these kids a break, after all these are just kids, not adults... I think some of yall keep on forgetting that major fact

Edited January 5, 2012 by Dr. Seuss

KRAM1 · January 5, 2012

So if a coach signs a five-year at ASU, then bolts after year one to Auburn for 5x the money, is he of low character or - with family in mind - a guy using common sense?

I would definitely question his character. He signed a contract...honor the contract. I did not say he was of "low character"...I said that I would have issues with his character. Just like June Jones at SMU. I can promise you that if I were the AD at SMU, June Jones would no longer be the head coach at SMU. No threat...just plain facts in my world. No hard feelings...just don't let the door hit you in the rear as you leave. Clean out your office now and see ya!

Everyone is "free" to choose what he would do and how that would be handled in such situations, and I am not saying that it is not "common practice" in the world of sports these days. Just saying, if you cannot be true to your word, for whatever reason...and if that "change" is due to your personal decision...well, yes, there is a character issue. AND, I see it as a problem through out today's society. So much so that many people see nothing wrong at all with going back on one's word to grab a "better deal".

I was simply raised differently and raised my kids differently. You can choose how you want to handle your own situation.

Dr. Seuss · January 5, 2012

I would definitely question his character. He signed a contract...honor the contract. I did not say he was of "low character"...I said that I would have issues with his character. Just like June Jones at SMU. I can promise you that if I were the AD at SMU, June Jones would no longer be the head coach at SMU. No threat...just plain facts in my world. No hard feelings...just don't let the door hit you in the rear as you leave. Clean out your office now and see ya!

Everyone is "free" to choose what he would do and how that would be handled in such situations, and I am not saying that it is not "common practice" in the world of sports these days. Just saying, if you cannot be true to your word, for whatever reason...and if that "change" is due to your personal decision...well, yes, there is a character issue. AND, I see it as a problem through out today's society. So much so that many people see nothing wrong at all with going back on one's word to grab a "better deal".

I was simply raised differently and raised my kids differently. You can choose how you want to handle your own situation.

So what youre saying is that UNT shows lack of character... UNT fired Todd Dodge before his contract was over????

UNT90 · January 5, 2012

Apples and Oranges, but I think people should stand by their committments. Today's society is "all about me," so I think this is a generational issue. Change isn't always good.

The commitment is 2 ways. Kids commit, for the most part, to coaches. If a coach leaves a year after the kid signs, how is that not the exact same thing?

There are no "verbal commitments." A kid is committed when he sends in his signed LOI on 2/1/12. Up until that point, it's free game for both sides.

Edited January 5, 2012 by UNT90

greenminer · January 5, 2012

I would definitely question his character. He signed a contract...honor the contract. I did not say he was of "low character"...I said that I would have issues with his character. Just like June Jones at SMU. I can promise you that if I were the AD at SMU, June Jones would no longer be the head coach at SMU. No threat...just plain facts in my world. No hard feelings...just don't let the door hit you in the rear as you leave. Clean out your office now and see ya!

Everyone is "free" to choose what he would do and how that would be handled in such situations, and I am not saying that it is not "common practice" in the world of sports these days. Just saying, if you cannot be true to your word, for whatever reason...and if that "change" is due to your personal decision...well, yes, there is a character issue. AND, I see it as a problem through out today's society. So much so that many people see nothing wrong at all with going back on one's word to grab a "better deal".

I was simply raised differently and raised my kids differently. You can choose how you want to handle your own situation.

You'd fire people left and right. You're probably the first to admit it's a good thing you're not the AD?

Tread lightly, Kram! Because I don't see how publicly "questioning character" around here for common sense decisions is much different than a "transfer (who I'm sure has a very valid reason for leaving)" bit that is meant in jest.

UNTnewbie · January 5, 2012

A verbal Commmittment is non-binding in the world of college athletics, everyone knows it or at least the student athlete and coaches. On the other hand a LOI is a contract with penalties for breaking that contract. Until the school delivers the LOI and the student athlete signs said LOI, nothing is binding. I don't think it has anything to do with the kids character when verbal committments are being given out when kids are Sophomores and Juniors in High School. A kid backing out of a LOI is a completely different story in my book and at that point character comes into play in my opinion.

UNTLifer · January 6, 2012

The commitment is 2 ways. Kids commit, for the most part, to coaches. If a coach leaves a year after the kid signs, how is that not the exact same thing?

There are no "verbal commitments." A kid is committed when he sends in his signed LOI on 2/1/12. Up until that point, it's free game for both sides.

Then what are all of those young men's names doing under North Texas committments on the recruiting websites? So basically in today's world someone's word isn't any good? That's not the way I'm teaching my kids.

Green Mean · January 6, 2012

Then what are all of those young men's names doing under North Texas committments on the recruiting websites? So basically in today's world someone's word isn't any good? That's not the way I'm teaching my kids.

Those websites are only there because of money. This is the way this particular business goes. They haven't signed any contract...I still fail to see how they would lack moral character. If you don't try to go after every opportunity to advance and better yourself then I think you're only selling yourself short and doing a disservice to yourself. These kids are doing the right thing. You want to make sure you go somewhere that's in your heart. Nothing wrong with that in my opinion.

UNTLifer · January 6, 2012

You're absolutely correct, they should go where their heart or head leads, but they shouldn't verbally commit to any team until they are absolutely confident with their decision. Just my way of looking at it.

Green Mean · January 6, 2012

You're absolutely correct, they should go where their heart or head leads, but they shouldn't verbally commit to any team until they are absolutely confident with their decision. Just my way of looking at it.

This I will agree with. No point in making saying anything until they actually sign the letter of intent.

UNT90 · January 6, 2012

Then what are all of those young men's names doing under North Texas committments on the recruiting websites? So basically in today's world someone's word isn't any good? That's not the way I'm teaching my kids.

So, are you also teaching your kids that if they are a football coach who is offered a huge raise that would enable him to provide financially for his family the rest of his life to just pass that by because he has made a commitment to the kids in his program? If so, then glory be to you. Somehow, as a father, I would bet you would tell that son to take that job because his family comes first.

It's a 2 way street. The minute coaches stop leaving small schools for the big time before their contract expires is the minute I will get on an 18 year old child for changing his mind about where he wants to attend school.

UNTLifer · January 6, 2012

So, are you also teaching your kids that if they are a football coach who is offered a huge raise that would enable him to provide financially for his family the rest of his life to just pass that by because he has made a commitment to the kids in his program? If so, then glory be to you. Somehow, as a father, I would bet you would tell that son to take that job because his family comes first.

It's a 2 way street. The minute coaches stop leaving small schools for the big time before their contract expires is the minute I will get on an 18 year old child for changing his mind about where he wants to attend school.

True story, I accepted a promotion with a company back in the 90's. Two weeks later I was presented with a potential opening back in the department I preferred to work in. I declined because I didn't think it was the right thing to do. In the long run, it was the best decision for me although at the time I really wanted to take the second offer.

I understand what you are saying, but for a prime example, look at how Todd Graham is perceived after running out on Rice a day after telling his players he was committed to them, did the same at Tulsa and just did it again at Pitt. In the long run, it will come around to bite him in the behind. I have much more respect for a person that keeps their word. You might not be rewarded today, but you will in the long run. Too many people run around today looking for the next great thing and just never find it.