b12 votes to invite tcu

PlummMeanGreen · October 6, 2011

TCU has been (for the most part) civil with UNT. They scheduled us at Fouts when many would not. Then they showed up by the thousands as if they were going to a game at UT's DKR Memorial Stadium or something.

A Mean Green link and thread to congratulate the Horned Frogs. After all, they are our neighbors, right?

http://www.killerfro...howtopic=143643

Edited October 6, 2011 by PlummMeanGreen

GrandGreen · October 6, 2011

TCU certainly competed well with UT when they both were in the SWC. Not sure why anyone would think they can't in the Big 12, at least as well as anyone other than OU does.

Recruiting is by and large a function of the conference you are in. The top schools in a lower rated conference can get some recruits from higher level conferences but it is relatively rare. TCU will get better recruits just on the basis of being in the B12, I think they will out recruit Baylor and Tech as soon as they join.

All this is not good news for NT, unless they move up a slot in conference affiliation.

UNTflyer · October 6, 2011

TCU just went back to where they were 20 years ago, the red-headed step child of a good conference. Do you think all of the sudden they are going to out recruit UT and OU? Not happening. They may compete for a while, but they won't ever be the B12 champion, and when they begin to lose they will fall and fall hard. Baylor was one of the better SWC teams when they moved to the B12, how many conference championchips in football have they won?

No, I think they will recruit better as a Big 12 school than they have as a MWC school.

And to declare they will "never" be Big 12 champion is a nonsensical statement. Baylor's past performance is certainly no indication of TCU's future peformance.

UNTflyer · October 6, 2011

With the exception of maybe USC and Miami, small private schools with small fan bases do not compete at the highest level, this has and will continue. Players still want to play and attend UT, OSU, OU and probably TT before TCU. TCU is Baylor, they can be good, but they won't be the best team in the Big12 every year. They probably go 8-4 this year and 8-4 or 7-5 next year in the Big12 and then that Rose Bowl win is forgotten and they will be good, but not upper echelon.

USC?

untjim1995 · October 6, 2011

TCU just went back to where they were 20 years ago, the red-headed step child of a good conference. Do you think all of the sudden they are going to out recruit UT and OU? Not happening. They may compete for a while, but they won't ever be the B12 champion, and when they begin to lose they will fall and fall hard. Baylor was one of the better SWC teams when they moved to the B12, how many conference championchips in football have they won?

Yeah, and how much money has Baylor made in the last 15 years versus TCU? On the field TCU >>>>>>Baylor. At the Bank, BU>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>TCU. In 2008, TCU finished in the Top Ten, after beating an undefeated Boise State in a bowl game. Baylor stayed at home for the 14th year in a row during bowl season in 2008 after having another losing season. Baylor got more than double the bowl money that TCU got. It is really simple to understand what TCU wants and why Baylor has sued everyone to keep their spot on the teat.

glick1980 · October 6, 2011

No, I think they will recruit better as a Big 12 school than they have as a MWC school.

And to declare they will "never" be Big 12 champion is a nonsensical statement. Baylor's past performance is certainly no indication of TCU's future peformance.

Only half of the Big12 teams have ever won the conference in football, and nobody besides UT or OU has won the conference for the past 7 years....

glick1980 · October 6, 2011

USC?

Private - yes, small - no

rcade · October 6, 2011

Wrong. They may have had the highest-caliber football the past decade or so, but the title of richest and most powerful still belongs to the Big 10.

The SEC's $2.25 billion TV contract with ESPN and $825 million TV contract with CBS make it the richest conference by a sizable margin.

NM Green · October 6, 2011

I think this is great for TCU and it is nice to feel the old SWC again. However, don't you think Tech is licking their chops at playing TCU every year. I think Baylor will be able to stay ahead of the Frogs as well. I think it is great for the frogs that they get back into the footprint, they have worked hard for that. However, I don't think they ever play close to a championship again.

With that said now that TCU will take a back seat in wins in the coming years, we only need to worry about a surging SMU. I don't see this as a bad thing for North Texas. It is time to go grow our own brand outside of the Sun Belt and hopefully in the MWC or Big East.

We don't need to tear down TCU to make the Mean Green stronger. My only point here is that TCU is not Boise that can consistently beat the big dogs. We don't know if Boise could do it in the big leagues either. But remember who TCU just climbed into bed with. Do you really think Texas ever plans on letting them become the strongest football team in the state? I believe it will be:

Texas

Texas A&M

Texas Tech

SMU

TCU

Baylor

Houston

North Texas

UTEP

Rice

NM Green · October 6, 2011

I think this is great for TCU and it is nice to feel the old SWC again. However, don't you think Tech is licking their chops at playing TCU every year. I think Baylor will be able to stay ahead of the Frogs as well. I think it is great for the frogs that they get back into the footprint, they have worked hard for that. However, I don't think they ever play close to a championship again.

With that said now that TCU will take a back seat in wins in the coming years, we only need to worry about a surging SMU. I don't see this as a bad thing for North Texas. It is time to go grow our own brand outside of the Sun Belt and hopefully in the MWC or Big East.

We don't need to tear down TCU to make the Mean Green stronger. My only point here is that TCU is not Boise that can consistently beat the big dogs. We don't know if Boise could do it in the big leagues either. But remember who TCU just climbed into bed with. Do you really think Texas ever plans on letting them become the strongest football team in the state? I believe it will be:

Texas

Texas A&M

Texas Tech

SMU

TCU

Baylor

Houston

North Texas

UTEP

Rice

Green Mean · October 6, 2011

With the exception of maybe USC and Miami, small private schools with small fan bases do not compete at the highest level, this has and will continue. Players still want to play and attend UT, OSU, OU and probably TT before TCU. TCU is Baylor, they can be good, but they won't be the best team in the Big12 every year. They probably go 8-4 this year and 8-4 or 7-5 next year in the Big12 and then that Rose Bowl win is forgotten and they will be good, but not upper echelon.

USC has 36K students.

BYU is a huge private school too.

While Miami isn't a huge university they still have about 15K students. Just win and have kickass administration support and it will take care of itself regardless of what conference you are in.

LongJim · October 6, 2011

1. TCU just hit the lottery as a program.

2. Their baseball is top tier. Football is top 20.

3. Their facilities (basketball excepted) are as good as any in the Big 12.

4. Their performance in the last 10 years is better than aTm's in the same period in football.

They will give Tech, OU, and aTm (and possibly UT) some problems in recruiting.

Some interesting info regarding TCU in the past 10 years:

TCU vs Opponents: 2001 - 2010

vs BCS Opponents 16 - 5

vs Ranked Opponents 9 - 7

vs Top 10 Opponents 5 - 5

in Bowl Games 6 - 2

at Home vs BCS or Rk'd 12 - 2

Away vs BCS or Rk'd 14 - 11

vs Big XII 6 - 5 UT, OU, Neb, A&M, Tech, Bay, ISU

vs Pac-10 4 - 0 Stan, OSU, Ariz

vs Big Ten 3 - 0 Wisc, NW

vs ACC 2 - 0 Clem, UVA

vs SEC 1 - 0 Vandy

TCU vs Opponents: 2006 - 2010 (Last 5 Yrs)

vs BCS Opponents 10 - 2

vs Ranked Opponents 7 - 4

vs Top 10 Opponents 4 - 4

in Bowl Games 4 - 1

at Home vs BCS or Rk'd 8 - 2

Away vs BCS or Rk'd 10 - 6

Notable Wins:* #4 Wisconsin @ Rose Bowl* #6 Utah (away)* #7 Oklahoma (away)* #9 BYU (home)* #9 Boise State @ Poinsettia Bowl* #24 Texas Tech (home)* #24 Clemson (away)

untjim1995 · October 6, 2011

TCU certainly competed well with UT when they both were in the SWC. Not sure why anyone would think they can't in the Big 12, at least as well as anyone other than OU does.

All this is not good news for NT, unless they move up a slot in conference affiliation.

TCU beat Texas once in 25 years during their last 3 decades in the SWC, IIRC. TCU did beat OU twice, though, since the Big XII formed. I think TCU will do ok, as long as Patterson is there, but I think the Big XII is just desperate now. TCU doesn't add anything they didn't already have. TCU is the big winner here, but I feel like the rest of that league is built on sand now, especially when Mizzou leaves.

To me, in all of this realignment so far, the big winners are: Utah, TCU, Nebraska, Colorado, A&M, Pitt, and Syracuse. Missouri will soon follow on this list. Even if the Bevo remainders somehow fall apart down the road, TCU will still be better off $$$$ and prestige-wise than they were. Other winners in this will eventually be UConn and Rutgers, too.

LongJim · October 6, 2011

For comparison, here's the team TCU is replacing, with comparable stats from 2001-2010:

A&M vs Opponents: 2001 - 2010

vs BCS Opponents 40 - 56

vs Ranked Opponents 8 - 31

vs Top 10 Opponents 2 - 16

in Bowl Games 1 - 5

at Home vs BCS or Rk'd 24 - 23

Away vs BCS or Rk'd 18 - 34

vs Big XII 37 - 43

vs Pac-10 0 - 1

vs Big Ten 0 - 1

vs ACC 1 - 3

vs SEC 0 - 5

vs Big East 1 - 3

Cowtown · October 6, 2011

Anyone that thinks that TCU wont out recruit Tech is bananas.

Seriously? Fort Worth w Frog honeys vs Dust Bowl sandy bottoms

TCU will be just fine.

Happy for the Frogs.

DeepGreen · October 6, 2011

For comparison, here's the team TCU is replacing, with comparable stats from 2001-2010:

A&M vs Opponents: 2001 - 2010
vs BCS Opponents 40 - 56
vs Ranked Opponents 8 - 31
vs Top 10 Opponents 2 - 16
in Bowl Games 1 - 5
at Home vs BCS or Rk'd 24 - 23
Away vs BCS or Rk'd 18 - 34
vs Big XII 37 - 43
vs Pac-10 0 - 1
vs Big Ten 0 - 1
vs ACC 1 - 3
vs SEC 0 - 5
vs Big East 1 - 3

Surely aTm will improve once they become members of the SEC. Surely. :blink:

greenminer · October 6, 2011

None of us have any idea what TCU will do with AQ money.

Assumptions must be fun.

LongJim · October 6, 2011

One other interesting thing is that if the Big East falls, Notre Dame may need another home for their other sports. Right now, the Big East looks very shaky.

PlummMeanGreen · October 6, 2011

TCU has been (for the most part) civil with UNT. They scheduled us at Fouts when many would not. Then they showed up by the thousands as if they were going to a game at UT's DKR Memorial Stadium or something.

A Mean Green link and thread to congratulate the Horned Frogs. After all, they are our neighbors, right?

http://www.killerfro...howtopic=143643

Bump...

TCU'ers show some North Texas and Apogee Stadium love. :blushing:

untjim1995 · October 6, 2011

For comparison, here's the team TCU is replacing, with comparable stats from 2001-2010:

A&M vs Opponents: 2001 - 2010
vs BCS Opponents 40 - 56
vs Ranked Opponents 8 - 31
vs Top 10 Opponents 2 - 16
in Bowl Games 1 - 5
at Home vs BCS or Rk'd 24 - 23
Away vs BCS or Rk'd 18 - 34
vs Big XII 37 - 43
vs Pac-10 0 - 1
vs Big Ten 0 - 1
vs ACC 1 - 3
vs SEC 0 - 5
vs Big East 1 - 3

I think the Aggies never really did that well during that decade because they were directly recruiting Texas HS players while OU, Texas, and LSU all were winning MNCs, and Tech and TCU were having success bigger than anything they had ever experienced in modern college football. As this was happening, their old coach (Slocum) saw the game pass him by, their replacement for Slocum (Franchione) was supposed to be can't-miss, but turned out to be an unmitigated disaster there, and then Sherman was having to rebuild from those ashes. Its true that they will continue to recruit against them all, but I think Sherman really does have something building down there.

I also think that it will be really interesting to see if their recruiting to the SEC with Texas HS kids will pick up big time. If it does, then I think they can compete very well in that league. If it stays where it is, which isn't bad, but not as good as Texas, OU, or LSU, then they will get clobbered over there. I think what will actually have the biggest effect on A&M's future recruiting is what Texas does when Mack Brown leaves. If Texas falls backward, like they did from 1985 through 1997, then A&M has a chance again to get ahead of them in recruiting.

bleedgreen4ever · October 6, 2011

I think this is great for TCU and it is nice to feel the old SWC again. However, don't you think Tech is licking their chops at playing TCU every year. I think Baylor will be able to stay ahead of the Frogs as well. I think it is great for the frogs that they get back into the footprint, they have worked hard for that. However, I don't think they ever play close to a championship again.

With that said now that TCU will take a back seat in wins in the coming years, we only need to worry about a surging SMU. I don't see this as a bad thing for North Texas. It is time to go grow our own brand outside of the Sun Belt and hopefully in the MWC or Big East.

We don't need to tear down TCU to make the Mean Green stronger. My only point here is that TCU is not Boise that can consistently beat the big dogs. We don't know if Boise could do it in the big leagues either. But remember who TCU just climbed into bed with. Do you really think Texas ever plans on letting them become the strongest football team in the state? I believe it will be:

Texas
Texas A&M
Texas Tech
SMU
TCU
Baylor
Houston
North Texas
UTEP
Rice

I think UNT has the potential to eventually be right next to TCU and eventually surpass them and be on the ranks of Texas Tech and A&M. We have the size, potential fan base, and facilities. We just need to start winning, and winning, and then winning some more.

El Paso Eagle · October 6, 2011

I still stick to my prediction ......

Perhaps by inviting TCU and getting them to come to the BIG 12 (?) you speed up the demise of the Big East and then you have the other schools you are looking at readily available to invite/merge with

buff64 · October 6, 2011

Especially as a Rose Bowl champion TCU deserves to be invited to the Big 12. I can see BYU as a possible invitee also but if the Big 12 is smart then I believe that they should invite Houston. They lose presence big-time in the Houston market when A&M leaves.

The Big East should now stick to teams in or near their footprint which basically means the six that they have now plus East Carolina, UCF, Army, Navy, Temple and the like.

If SMU keeps us out of CUSA (which I don't think that they will do) then so be it. The MWC still needs a couple more teams and they covet the DFW market. Either way, I like our chances IF we can average more than 20,000 this year. So guys, make every effort to attend each home game.

Last spring didn't the Big East invite Temple and Villanova to join ? Both turned them down.

buff64 · October 6, 2011

1. TCU just hit the lottery as a program.
2. Their baseball is top tier. Football is top 20.
3. Their facilities (basketball excepted) are as good as any in the Big 12.
4. Their performance in the last 10 years is better than aTm's in the same period in football.

They will give Tech, OU, and aTm (and possibly UT) some problems in recruiting.

Some interesting info regarding TCU in the past 10 years:

TCU vs Opponents: 2001 - 2010

vs BCS Opponents 16 - 5
vs Ranked Opponents 9 - 7
vs Top 10 Opponents 5 - 5
in Bowl Games 6 - 2
at Home vs BCS or Rk'd 12 - 2
Away vs BCS or Rk'd 14 - 11
vs Big XII 6 - 5 UT, OU, Neb, A&M, Tech, Bay, ISU
vs Pac-10 4 - 0 Stan, OSU, Ariz
vs Big Ten 3 - 0 Wisc, NW
vs ACC 2 - 0 Clem, UVA
vs SEC 1 - 0 Vandy

TCU vs Opponents: 2006 - 2010 (Last 5 Yrs)
vs BCS Opponents 10 - 2
vs Ranked Opponents 7 - 4
vs Top 10 Opponents 4 - 4
in Bowl Games 4 - 1
at Home vs BCS or Rk'd 8 - 2
Away vs BCS or Rk'd 10 - 6

Notable Wins:* #4 Wisconsin @ Rose Bowl* #6 Utah (away)* #7 Oklahoma (away)* #9 BYU (home)* #9 Boise State @ Poinsettia Bowl* #24 Texas Tech (home)* #24 Clemson (away)

Womem's BB has also been strong.

adman · October 6, 2011

tcu makes the most sense...so i'm kinda surprised it's happening. good for them. now it's north texas' turn to move up!

Why does this make the most sense? I commented a week or so ago that Houston or UNT make sense in the long run due to sheer alumni numbers in their respective markets. (TV share) The ridicule that ensued was founded mainly on "the Big 12 doesn't need UNT because they already own the DFW market." Now they look to be bringing in TCU and it makes sense? Why?