Git Sum Presidentin' (Republican primaries)

[UNT90]

---hmmmm re-elect... Sounds as if you think the GOP person will stand no chance. Actually I have voted for more GOP Presidential candidates than Demos. When the 90's hit and they started claiming to be more Christian... morally superior ... and not saying an bad about a fellow Republican even when they were awful... they got to the point they were way too partisan and never voting for anything the other party sponsored even if it was a good idea... So many now seem to be all about their party and not representing what is good for America (my opinion). I then leaned the other way.

The last administration claiming to be conservative then doubling the debt, screwing up the economy, and invading a country that had nothing to do with 9-11 was the final straw.

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Wow. I guess you forgot about the bitter, bitter, bitter opposition Reagan got from the Dem controlled congress, to the point of Reagan being forced to take budgets he didn't want. I also guess you forgot about the Republican congress working with President Clinton to reduce spending (the last time spending was even close to under control). I guess you also forgot the Democrat Congress and Pres. Obama forcing their socialist health care plan down the throat of Americans that, by a wide margin, didn't want that plan (which will inevitably increase the cost of health care for the average American).

I really don't believe you were ever a conservative, and dount that you have ever voted for a republican. You pretty much spout the typical democrat party line. You want to blame Pres. Bush for "screwing up the economy", but don't hold Pres. Obama accountable for further screwing the economy up (It's been 4 years, and things are as bad or worse than when Pres. Obama took office).

As far as claiming to be more christian, I guess you forget how much flack Reagan took for his deep religious convictions. If anything, both parties have distanced themselves from Christian values. I consider that a very bad thing. I guess you don't?

[meangreendork]

If anything, both parties have distanced themselves from Christian values.

The Democrats, maybe. Not the GOP. Not even close.

[UNT90]

The Democrats, maybe. Not the GOP. Not even close.

So you consider Christian values a bad thing?

[Coffee and TV]

As far as claiming to be more christian, I guess you forget how much flack Reagan took for his deep religious convictions. If anything, both parties have distanced themselves from Christian values. I consider that a very bad thing. I guess you don't?

[Coffee and TV]

[Coffee and TV]

[UNT90]

Comes as absolutely no surprise to me that you have no idea what separation of church and state actually means as applied to our constitution.

None at all.

[Coffee and TV]

Comes as absolutely no surprise to me that you have no idea what separation of church and state actually means as applied to our constitution.

None at all.

Oh please enlighten me.

[mattmartin817]

Comes as absolutely no surprise to me that you have no idea what separation of church and state actually means as applied to our constitution.

None at all.

Please educate us. What did fox news tell you they meant by separation of church and state?

Edited January 30, 2012 by mattmartin817

[UNTLifer]

Please educate us. What did fox news tell you they meant by separation of church and state?

I love how Fox News gets the blame for everything because they are right leaning, while every other POS news outlet leans way left and is rarely criticized.

[Green Mean]

I think folks lean way too heavily on news stations and media outlets. Listen to all parties/sides/outlets and try to make the best guess and form what you think is right and wrong.

[KRAM1]

I think folks lean way too heavily on news stations and media outlets. Listen to all parties/sides/outlets and try to make the best guess and form what you think is right and wrong.

Well, I agree to an extent. You need to not only listen BUT research on your own and discover as best you can of what the candidates are saying is, in any way, factual. The facts are out there...not always easy to find, but MUCH more accurate than just listening to the parties/sides/outlets. One, in order to actually be an informed voter, needs to do much more than listen to the talking heads...of either side.

Edited January 31, 2012 by KRAM1

[mattmartin817]

I love how Fox News gets the blame for everything because they are right leaning, while every other POS news outlet leans way left and is rarely criticized.

They are all terrible. I don't like any of them all that much, I watch them because I'm a glutton for punishment. I listen to Rush, and I listen to Ed Schultz, they are both ridiculous and wrong on a lot of things. There, criticism of both sides. But lets just be honest, when it comes to a news outlet discussing or "reporting" on separation of church and state, fox news pundits usually come out on the side that it should be ignored and we should be teaching intelligent design in public schools and other ridiculous things like that.

[UNT90]

I love how Fox News gets the blame for everything because they are right leaning, while every other POS news outlet leans way left and is rarely criticized.

It's criticized, just not by the way left leaning, which means it is never reported and simply blown off by the "enlightened" elite.

[SCREAMING EAGLE-66]

Re news:

In school if one kid in class tells you what happened (when the teacher was gone) and all of the rest of the kids tell you a "story" that are similiar to each other but totally different than the first kid ...... who do you believe?? ...... The same applies to news sources.

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Edited January 30, 2012 by SCREAMING EAGLE-66

[meangreendork]

So you consider Christian values a bad thing?

That question was probably worse than your "politicians are distancing themselves from Christianity" line.

Oh, and being from a Christian background, I don't think they are. It's just that when they're abused in a way that divides people, generates ill-will, to steal money from others, engage in corruption, commit hypocrisy, and intrudes on the lives of people who practice something else or nothing at all, or when they're used to rack up votes...that's when I have a problem with them.

It's like a firearm. It's not bad in and of itself, it's when it's abused and mishandled - that's when its a problem.

[meangreendork]

Obama gave the NDA the go-ahead and would've let SOPA and PIPA on through if the public hadn't made a storm about it. So far, he hasn't spoken up about ACTA or any rewrites about SOPA and PIPA. So those are definitely things Jesus would probably have not signed off on.

[HoustonEagle]

I love how Fox News gets the blame for everything because they are right leaning, while every other POS news outlet leans way left and is rarely criticized.

One group reports news and by that very process could be contrived as left leaning. The other is unapologetically far right. Has mostly pundit driven programs while still maintaining it’s Fox News badge on the lower right of your screen. Has multiple pages of internal documents that have been released to the public demonstrating exactly how far they will go to frame the narrative. And, recently has been involved in criminal activities that appear to be systemic through the multi-national corporation.

So what do I mean by reporting news could be contrived as left leaning? Let’s say company X is producing paper towels and before they release their wastewater into the Trinity River they properly process it removing all harmful chemicals and bleaches. While Company Y is producing similar paper towels but in order to increase profits have neglected to treat their wastewater causing massive fish kills and furthering the problem of oceanic algae blooms. Company X is doing the things they need to do to both make a profit and be good members of society. There is no story to report back to the masses. Certainly not one that both keeps the public informed and brings in ad revenue. (these are for-profit news organizations after all) Company Y on the other hand has a story that needs to be reported. Their actions are detrimental to society and the public should know and understand exactly what they are up to. Unfortunately, in todays news environment, when Brian Williams goes on air to discuss what Company Y is doing he is just labeled left leaning, anti-jobs, anti-corporation and a tree-hugging nazi. Heaven forbid he have to report on some scandal involving a Republican congressman. It will be discredited immediately as part of his leftist news machine.

I will say that I think that 24 hour news programs are a complete joke no matter the network. CNN while laughable at times is salvageable. MSNBC and Fox News are abominations to the institution of professional journalism. They demonstrate to me that society really is losing it’s ability to think for itself and in a objective manner.

[Coffee and TV]

Obama gave the NDA the go-ahead and would've let SOPA and PIPA on through if the public hadn't made a storm about it. So far, he hasn't spoken up about ACTA or any rewrites about SOPA and PIPA. So those are definitely things Jesus would probably have not signed off on.

I think you missed it.

Its not comparing Obama to Jesus but making the point that all these "christians" who hate Obama and Obamacare probably need to rethink their criticisms. And I have many criticisms of Obama like SOPA and such as well, I won't deny that for a second.

[meangreendork]

I think you missed it.

Its not comparing Obama to Jesus but making the point that all these "christians" who hate Obama and Obamacare probably need to rethink their criticisms. And I have many criticisms of Obama like SOPA and such as well, I won't deny that for a second.

No, I do get it and I mostly agree with the sign. I don't really think Jesus would approve of where some of Christianity has gone.

[Coffee and TV]

One group reports news and by that very process could be contrived as left leaning.

This story has been all over the liberal media, except is hasn't

[UNT90]

That question was probably worse than your "politicians are distancing themselves from Christianity" line.

Oh, and being from a Christian background, I don't think they are. It's just that when they're abused in a way that divides people, generates ill-will, to steal money from others, engage in corruption, commit hypocrisy, and intrudes on the lives of people who practice something else or nothing at all, or when they're used to rack up votes...that's when I have a problem with them.

It's like a firearm. It's not bad in and of itself, it's when it's abused and mishandled - that's when its a problem.

Well, everything you just listed are not Christian values. I'm sure you have a huge problem with many telvangelists (as do I), but that has very little to do with people who apply their individual vote for President based on their very own Christian values. If they choose to vote for a candidate that they think has the same Christian values, what is wrong with that? I assume you were against Gov. Huckabee in 2008 because of his Christian values?

Apparently you don't trust any politician that says Christian values are at the core of his decisions, correct? Or is it just Republican politicians?

Would you have trusted Jimmy Carter? What if the democrat and republican nominee both shared the same Christian values and those values were at the core of boths' decision making? Who would you vote for? If the Democrat candidate was Christian and the Republican Candidate athiest, who then?

Something tells me that the whole "he is too Christian" thing is just an excuse Dems use to make themselves feel better their candidate.

[Green P1]

Comes as absolutely no surprise to me that you have no idea what separation of church and state actually means as applied to our constitution.

None at all.

Oh please enlighten me.

I don't have much use for this thread in general, but I two would enjoy enlightenment.

[UNT90]

I don't have much use for this thread in general, but I two would enjoy enlightenment.

It's been covered before. No use banging your head against a wall, which is why I didn't respond.

Short version: Coffee believes every decision by the 9th curcuit court of appeals, I do not.

Make up you own mind.

[UNT90]

What did fox news tell you they meant by separation of church and state?

Looks like your bain of all evil is doing something right.

I know, I know, the counter culture elitists are the only ones that know the true harm that this lying network perpetrates.

One of the major changes that Fox has forced ABC, NBC, and CBS into is not having people like George Will sit alone all the time as the lone conservative on the "Sunday roundtable" on ABC's Sunday morning program. !0 years ago, it was George Will and 3 Dems who talked about how stupid George Will's ideas were. Now, it appears the panels on all shows are more balanced.

A direct result of Fox News having 2 from each side on just about every discussion panel that they used. Something about fair and balanced??

Edited January 31, 2012 by UNT90