Mike Leach Re-visited

SHOSS · July 13, 2011

Ok, I just heard the musers talking about this subject on the ticket... cause that is where I get all my news(of course this probably discredits me forever but I'm ok with that)

Anyways, I want to preface this thread by saying that I LOVE McCarney and his newly assembled staff. So, this is NOT to say that I am not very enthusiastic about the potential this group has for U of NT...

BUT, with what is coming out(of course this is Leach's take on things) about info from the mouth of Adam James, do any of you that didn't want anything to do with the Angry Pirate when we were going through the hiring process want a redo?

I would have loved to have Leach(remember my preface about how much I do like McCarney)... I was just curious.

Go Mean Green...The hot months are upon us and the sun is starting to win... With Football comes cooler weather...eventually...

MDH · July 13, 2011

Leach wouldn't have taken Mac money ( I have no way to verify that other than my good judgment). I would've been fine with Leach, I wasn't against him for his character.

golfingomez · July 13, 2011

Leach would have been better than a potential Franchione hire... but still not one of my top candidates at all

Green Mean · July 13, 2011

I'm excited about our future and Big Mac but personally, I would still take Leach over any other candidate.

UNT90 · July 13, 2011

I'm excited about our future and Big Mac but personally, I would still take Leach over any other candidate.

Agree.

Huge publicity and an instant boost in recruiting and ticket sales.

Plus, he can coach.

Ibleedgreen · July 13, 2011

NO... I like Dan better.

I heard from a reliable source that Gerald Myers at Tech tried to talk to Leach before he was terminated and Leach wouldn't even speak to him other than to say, "*#!& you."

EagleD · July 13, 2011

Uhhhmmmm. No. Leach is a douche. I can only speculate based on heresay of friends in Lubbock, but Leach would have eventually self destructed. You can argue that he did self destruct.

About Leach in Lubbock:

"Tech's drinking coach has a football problem."

eppy4life · July 13, 2011

Those who say they don't want Leach are out of their mind. I love the Coach Mac hire but would take on Leach any day. I want to win and honestly, I feel more confident Leach would bring that than Coach Mac.

That said, I agree, Leach wouldn't come here for what we're paying. Period. It was never an option.

Lets all buy an extra set of season tickets and maybe things will change.

UNTLifer · July 13, 2011

Guess I'm out of my mind.

MeanGreenGlory · July 13, 2011

I want to win and honestly, I feel more confident Leach would bring that than Coach Mac.

Why's that?

eppy4life · July 13, 2011

Why's that?

Not sure. Again, I'm not hating on coach Mac. I know we're headed in the right direction under him. But given the option between the two I think Leach ramps up recruiting quicker, gives us a bigger name in college football, and some much needed swagger in the Sunbelt.

I hesitate even responding because there's really no point in even having this discussion and Coach Mac is the freakin man.

Mo Green · July 13, 2011

I'm for change too so I guess I'll vote for obama................no, no wait maybe I'll just punt & give up the ball because Bush broke the game anyway ;-)!

LongJim · July 13, 2011

I still feel the same way about the guy that I felt several months ago.

"He's a clown. And he's not that great a recruiter, either. He doesn't care about defense or special teams. His teams are undisciplined, and he has a tendency to lose his locker room frequently, which means his teams usually drop 1 or 2 games they should win easily.

Frankly, I think he was only marginally more successful than Dykes, which his record shows. But, he slings the thing all over the field, and the 59-48 scores look impressive."

All About UNT · July 13, 2011

There are easy ways to get recruits and eventual victories (signing big name baffons) and then there are elbow sleeves rolled up ways to get those same outcomes (the DMac way) and I look forward to the day when we see what DMac has accomplished from the ground up!

Not that Leach was a possibility but.........No.

Green Mean · July 13, 2011

Why's that?

Resume

Dr. Seuss · July 14, 2011

I was a huge fan of bringing the pirate to UNT bc we built a new ship and needed a captain, but couldnt be more thrilled with Mac leading this team.

I think bringing Leach here would of instantly been better, just because of his national reputation and recent success. He brought a team from the middle of west Texas with nothing, to a program that is national recognized.

But long term, I think Mac will be better. Mac did the same thing in Ames but that happened back in 2005 and people just dont remember that far back (nationally). Mac brought the spark that the team needed, once the team found out that some guy with a 52-84(?) record is the coach, they assumed this guy wasn't qualified. After he was hired and spoke to the team, those reactions were quickly turned around. He spoke from the heart and showed his passion and drive about bringing success to North Texas. He instantly made this team believe that he will turn this program around.

I cant wait to see what Mac and Co bring, because I know it will be 10x better than what UNT has had in the past 20 years

KingDL1 · July 14, 2011

I was a huge fan of bringing the pirate to UNT bc we built a new ship and needed a captain, but couldnt be more thrilled with Mac leading this team.

I think bringing Leach here would of instantly been better, just because of his national reputation and recent success. He brought a team from the middle of west Texas with nothing, to a program that is national recognized.

But long term, I think Mac will be better. Mac did the same thing in Ames but that happened back in 2005 and people just dont remember that far back (nationally). Mac brought the spark that the team needed, once the team found out that some guy with a 52-84(?) record is the coach, they assumed this guy wasn't qualified. After he was hired and spoke to the team, those reactions were quickly turned around. He spoke from the heart and showed his passion and drive about bringing success to North Texas. He instantly made this team believe that he will turn this program around.

I cant wait to see what Mac and Co bring, because I know it will be 10x better than what UNT has had in the past 20 years

I agree and I am a Leach fan, and long term you are correct. But Leach would have been a hell of a media ride and he would have sold out the stadium for a year or two. Yes as soon as Leach had success he would have been gone. Mac, I think he is here for the long run and probably is a better all around coach.

golfingomez · July 14, 2011

I agree and I am a Leach fan, and long term you are correct. But Leach would have been a hell of a media ride and he would have sold out the stadium for a year or two. Yes as soon as Leach had success he would have been gone. Mac, I think he is here for the long run and probably is a better all around coach.

this is the smartest post so far... if someone like leach had come here it would have just been a springboard for him to get a better job... regardless of success he would use the job to show that he is on good behavior and would have been looking elsewhere the whole time...

McCarney seems like he is genuinely determined to rebuild this program and see the job done

I am more than satisfied with McCarney

greenminer · July 14, 2011

In retrospect, a Leach hire likely means Chico's departure.

I am excited about the coaches we have in place.

jimbob · July 14, 2011

Resume

Dan has more national titles under his belt than Leach does...

tylermeangreen · July 14, 2011

Leach is a rogue. Hiring a rogue head coach was the last thing that North Texas needed at that point in time - well, actually, at any point in time!

All of the perceived benefits of hiring him would not have been worth the angst that would have undoubtably arisen.

Winning is important - winning the right way, and with class, is far more important.

KRAM1 · July 14, 2011

Leach is a rogue. Hiring a rogue head coach was the last thing that North Texas needed at that point in time - well, actually, at any point in time!

All of the perceived benefits of hiring him would not have been worth the angst that would have undoubtably arisen.

Winning is important - winning the right way, and with class, is far more important.

Amen. Plus 1 for you, Sir.

And, contrary to some other posters, I do not see a Leach hire as a sure thing in selling out the stadium. I think Coach McCarney is a much MUCH better overall selection for UNT than a Leach hire ever would have been. If Leach is so great, why is he still in the broadcast booth? Lots of teams have looked for and hired new head coaches since Tech did the right thing and fired the guy....Maryland, Ohio State, etc., etc., etc.

UNTLifer · July 14, 2011

Where's Leach coaching now?

eppy4life · July 14, 2011

Winning is important - winning the right way, and with class, is far more important.

i agree with this statement. But I have a feeling if Leach had come here and won without class few would be complaining.

AstroMike · July 14, 2011

I like who we hired. Leach would have sold some tickets and brought quick attention to the school, but in my opinion in the long run the bi-polar nature of the guy wouldn't have had a positive lasting affect for the school.