Coogfan Thread on UNT

[Mean Green 93-98]

Let me make a couple of suggestions:

NTXCoog, click here.

jml2010, click here.

Now have at it.

[UNT90]

No Shi+. Weirdest thread ever. Take your argument back to whatever other non-UNT board y'all came from. NTCoog, happy to have you, but this argument isn't meant for this board.

[jml2010]

Let me make a couple of suggestions:

NTXCoog, click here.

jml2010, click here.

Now have at it.

Fair enough. I know that I have possibly angered some fellow UNT students/alumni and that was not my desire.

One of things I appreciate about UNT are the professors. The School of Business didn't accept 4 of my freshman/junior level classes, so I was forced to take/will have to take those classes again. 1 was Poli Sci 1040. I absolutely loved Kimi King. She is a bit out there but a professor who for the most part cares how her students do. My 2nd favorite professor is Don Powell. He's tough but fair in MGMT 3720. Even though, I hated the class and how she expects non-music majors to know everything about music, I like Dr. Alonso-Minutti for Music 1600. UNT has a lot to of offer and while they will never be my 1st love, I am greatly appreciative for the chance to get a 2nd degree.

[UNT90]

and while they will never be my 1st love

Apparently you haven't heard.

We don't need quitters

[jml2010]

Apparently you haven't heard.

We don't need quitters

Not sure what you mean by that.

[MeanMag]

Not sure what you mean by that.

You have to be a GMG.com P1 to get that line of humor.

[tylermeangreen]

Fair enough. I know that I have possibly angered some fellow UNT students/alumni and that was not my desire.

One of things I appreciate about UNT are the professors. The School of Business didn't accept 4 of my freshman/junior level classes, so I was forced to take/will have to take those classes again. 1 was Poli Sci 1040. I absolutely loved Kimi King. She is a bit out there but a professor who for the most part cares how her students do. My 2nd favorite professor is Don Powell. He's tough but fair in MGMT 3720. Even though, I hated the class and how she expects non-music majors to know everything about music, I like Dr. Alonso-Minutti for Music 1600. UNT has a lot to of offer and while they will never be my 1st love, I am greatly appreciative for the chance to get a 2nd degree.

Tired of this crap - it is time for both of you to take this UH BS elsewhere!

[NTXCoog]

No Shi+. Weirdest thread ever. Take your argument back to whatever other non-UNT board y'all came from. NTCoog, happy to have you, but this argument isn't meant for this board.

Fair enough. I'll ignore the troll and I hope you guys do too because as the game gets closer and more UH fans show up here to talk about the game, I guarantee he will post more and more negative UH posts as he does on every board he's ever posted on.

I've been on this board for a while now and you guys have seen that I support UH, but that I'm starting to follow UNT more as a second school to enjoy since I lived in Denton for 3 years and have lived in Providence Village for 8. I love college football and it's great to have a team so close to enjoy.

This guy riles me like few others. That's what trolls do and obviously I'm falling for his bait. It's just hard when you see someone with no stake in the game to bash your school over and over.

I hope I continue to have great football chats with all of you real UNT fans.

[Eagle1855]

A&M and UT didn't keep UH out, the state legislature did. UH, TCU, Rice and SMU simply had no one in power that demanded those schools be included.

Also no doubt that Tech-UH game was epic. It was especially nice seeing their fans rush the field after beating an unranked team by 1 point. Even though most Tech fans could care less about UH, they got the last laugh in a 35-20 victory last year.

Well aren't you a ray of sunshine.

[UNTLifer]

Honestly, between working, raising a family, going back to school and the 4 or 5 trips to see my original alma mater play football leaves very little time for other activities in the fall. I also fully admit that I had gone as far professionally as I could have. I decided to add another degree to my resume and pursue a new industry that is stable even in this ridiculous economy. UNT, much like UH ,is close to home for people that do not have the option of going back to their original alma mater. Unfortunately, students like myself and countless others doing the same thing at UNT and UH does not scream school loyalty or lead to active alumni following their respective schools after they graduate. There are a few exceptions but most large urban schools do not have a large following.

You should fit in nicely with many of the old nestors in Denton.

[The Fake Lonnie Finch]

Anyway, back to football talk...

...saw this weekend that Houston had only 1 O-lineman returning, plus another who will be moved to a new position. So, they'll have, essentially, three brand new linemen playing in their first road game, and one starting his second career game at a new position. All of that makes me feel better about our young D-line.

Also, their secondary has only one returning starter. Both CBs are new including former UNT commit Chevy Bennett. He and his other JUCO teammate are expected to nail down the corner spots - that's how thin UH is at CB. Let's give Chevy and his mate a nice welcome to the stadium he should have been playing in, eh?

Many people may see this game as an automatic loss. But, Houston is young in many areas as well. We could win this game ugly if things fall into place. It's still a stretch based on their continuity under Kevin Sumlin. But, inexperience is inexperience...especially early in the season.

No ill will towards the Cougar fans, hoping for the best for us.

[FloMoGrad]

Anyway, back to football talk...

...saw this weekend that Houston had only 1 O-lineman returning, plus another who will be moved to a new position. So, they'll have, essentially, three brand new linemen playing in their first road game, and one starting his second career game at a new position. All of that makes me feel better about our young D-line.

Also, their secondary has only one returning starter. Both CBs are new including former UNT commit Chevy Bennett. He and his other JUCO teammate are expected to nail down the corner spots - that's how thin UH is at CB. Let's give Chevy and his mate a nice welcome to the stadium he should have been playing in, eh?

Many people may see this game as an automatic loss. But, Houston is young in many areas as well. We could win this game ugly if things fall into place. It's still a stretch based on their continuity under Kevin Sumlin. But, inexperience is inexperience...especially early in the season.

No ill will towards the Cougar fans, hoping for the best for us.

Only auto loss all yr is Bama, everyone else is beatable. Might take our 'A' game to their 'C', but beatable nonetheless.

[Mean Green Matt]

We need a larger stadium at a higher cost. If we wanted to build a $78mm stadium, we have enough funding in place to start construction. But we're building a $120mm stadium.

I have seen this BS argument from a lot of people, but I do not think you made it with any malintent. UNT got extremely lucky with the timing of the building of the football stadium. At the time UNT "got in" to building the stadium, construction costs were extraordinarily low. What we built would cost significantly more than $78 million dollars if we were just starting to build today.

I'm sure the Houston stadium will be nice, but don't act like it is going to be in a different league or something, especially when the material costs are going to be much more expensive when you guys begin construction.

[ColoradoEagle]

I'm sure the Houston stadium will be nice, but don't act like it is going to be in a different league or something, especially when the material costs are going to be much more expensive when you guys begin construction.

If I understood correctly, another huge advantage was the terrain we had to build it on. The hills of Eagle Point allowed us to do minimal site work and lessened the cost of going all concrete (except the wing). Can anyone else confirm?

Edited July 5, 2011 by ColoradoEagle

[Mean Green 93-98]

I have seen this BS argument from a lot of people, but I do not think you made it with any malintent. UNT got extremely lucky with the timing of the building of the football stadium. At the time UNT "got in" to building the stadium, construction costs were extraordinarily low. What we built would cost significantly more than $78 million dollars if we were just starting to build today.

I'm sure the Houston stadium will be nice, but don't act like it is going to be in a different league or something, especially when the material costs are going to be much more expensive when you guys begin construction.

Not to mention where we are building. We are building in an easily accessible area that required no demolition. Also, the university already owned the property it is being built upon. I'm not sure if UH has that kind of real estate at its disposal, and I doubt highly whether it can build on or adjacent to campus without demolition.

[NTXCoog]

I have seen this BS argument from a lot of people, but I do not think you made it with any malintent. UNT got extremely lucky with the timing of the building of the football stadium. At the time UNT "got in" to building the stadium, construction costs were extraordinarily low. What we built would cost significantly more than $78 million dollars if we were just starting to build today.

I'm sure the Houston stadium will be nice, but don't act like it is going to be in a different league or something, especially when the material costs are going to be much more expensive when you guys begin construction.

Definitely no bad intent and I think UNT is definitely getting a quality stadium. I was talking solely the $78mm price tag.

UH could build a cheaper 40K seat stadium. Look at UCF's Bright House Networks Stadium. Built in 2006, it cost $55mm and holds 45k. $78mm would be a 42% increase in just 5 years over that cost. So I think a 40k seat stadium could be built for much less than $120mm if going the cheap route. UNT definitely went for quality over quantity. UCF went for quantity. Hell, when their stadium was opened, it didn't even have water fountains and the entire stadium bounces if the fans jump up and down.

UH is trying to do a little of both, a little of the quality of UNT with a little of the quantity of UCF.

[NTXCoog]

Not to mention where we are building. We are building in an easily accessible area that required no demolition. Also, the university already owned the property it is being built upon. I'm not sure if UH has that kind of real estate at its disposal, and I doubt highly whether it can build on or adjacent to campus without demolition.

The current proposal puts the new stadium basically in the same location as the current stadium. So we do have demolition costs, but we do not have land acquisition costs.

[Mean Green Matt]

Definitely no bad intent and I think UNT is definitely getting a quality stadium. I was talking solely the $78mm price tag.

UH could build a cheaper 40K seat stadium. Look at UCF's Bright House Networks Stadium. Built in 2006, it cost $55mm and holds 45k. $78mm would be a 42% increase in just 5 years over that cost. So I think a 40k seat stadium could be built for much less than $120mm if going the cheap route. UNT definitely went for quality over quantity. UCF went for quantity. Hell, when their stadium was opened, it didn't even have water fountains and the entire stadium bounces if the fans jump up and down.

UH is trying to do a little of both, a little of the quality of UNT with a little of the quantity of UCF.

I get what you are saying, but my point is that with the volatility of input costs (mostly upswing in the last year or so of commodities and building supplies) comparing our $78 million price tag to the UH estimated $120 million pricetag really just doesn't work. When the UH stadium goes up, they will (unless China disappears off the planet earth) be getting a lot less for the $$$ than UNT. They will be spending more, so I'm not saying it won't be nice, or as nice as UNT, or whatever...we really can't make that sort of comparative judgement anyway until the UH stadium is actually built.

People knock the UNT pricetag on the stadium, but we really just got lucky with the time we "got in". It is much like how Southwest Airlines made a good bet on oil a few years back and was able to keep their prices low. Due to the lower costs at the time NT acquired the materials contracts for the stadium, NT was basically hedged against inflation and higher costs. Others have also mentioned the topographic advantages and open land we have as well.

Here is an article about Southwest Airlines and their oil bet that paid off: LA Times

[UNTLifer]

The current proposal puts the new stadium basically in the same location as the current stadium. So we do have demolition costs, but we do not have land acquisition costs.

Obviously, Houston would have to play at another site when construction begins. Do you anticipate this being at Reliant, and if so, how will that effect attendance?

[jml2010]

People knock the UNT pricetag on the stadium, but we really just got lucky with the time we "got in".

I think UNT got a great deal on the new stadium and this can be something that the students/alumni can be proud of and rally around for years. I personally enjoy driving by the stadium seeing what all has been accomplished

I will also add that is amazing how much stadium construction/renovation has taken place across the state of Texas in the last 5-10 years. UT just finished a NorthEnd zone expansion to go over 100K seats. A&M is talking about closing in the south side of Kyle Field that will put capacity around 90-95K. Texas Tech just finished a major renovation to their stadium and put capacity over 60K. TCU, while decreasing their size, is pumping 100 mil IIRC into their stadium renovation which will have the ability to expand to 50K. SMU built a nice football facility. UNT is almost complete with their new stadium and TX State is set to start expanding their stadium to 30K.

[NTXCoog]

Obviously, Houston would have to play at another site when construction begins. Do you anticipate this being at Reliant, and if so, how will that effect attendance?

Reliant would be the temporary home. Not really sure how it would affect attendance. Playing on campus with the great UH tailgate scene definitely has its benefits, but playing temporarily in a world class facility might have a positive effect too.

The atmosphere will definitely suffer. The revenue will likely suffer too due to paying rent and lack of concessions/parking. But you take a temporary loss for the benefits later.