Clean Air Act

eulesseagle · June 12, 2011

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43269525/ns/business-going_green/

The EPA states, "....would cost (coal) industry nearly $11 BILLION "A YEAR" in estimated compliance expenditures."

You know if these are government figures the actual figues will be much higher.

This is JUST part of the new forced costs that the EPA is getting ready to place on coal companies.......there will be regulations for lead, arsenic and acid gases that have not yet been released that will cost the coal companies additional monies.

Who will pay for this moderization?

*****Some coal fired plants will be forces to shut down....loss of jobs.

*****Others will be forced to pass the HIGHER utility costs to the consumer in "much higher utility costs."

This administration has brought us:

*****to the point of our government defaulting on "interest payments."

*****over $14 Trillion debt ceiling.

*****high gas prices.

*****escalating food prices.

*****escalating consumer goods.

*****depression like unemployment.

*****and now the begining of higher utility costs.

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can some of you liberals intelligently defend these policies of this administration?

MDH · June 12, 2011

If a zero or low value is placed on life, then by all means this is a horrible deal.

Pretty funny that republicans (I'm independent for the record) cry wolf when clean-air initiatives such as wind turbines kill birds, but when clean air acts are proposed that would save human life that they are rejected to save corporate profits and jobs.

"Cutting ozone pollution using the Clean Air Act will have saved $2 trillion by 2020 and prevented at least 230,000 deaths annually, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency said in a report.

Tougher emission restrictions adopted in 1990 helped avoid more than 160,000 premature deaths, 130,000 heart attacks, 13 million lost work days and 1.7 million asthma attacks last year, according to today'sreport, which measured only the impact of amendments from 1990. By 2020, complying with the amendments would prevent 200,000 heart attacks, 17 million lost work days and 2.4 million asthma attacks, according to the report."

Edited June 12, 2011 by mdh0192

UNT90 · June 12, 2011

If a zero or low value is placed on life, then by all means this is a horrible deal.

Pretty funny that republicans (I'm independent for the record) cry wolf when clean-air initiatives such as wind turbines kill birds, but when clean air acts are proposed that would save human life that they are rejected to save corporate profits and jobs.

"Cutting ozone pollution using the Clean Air Act will have saved $2 trillion by 2020 and prevented at least 230,000 deaths annually, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency said in a report.

Tougher emission restrictions adopted in 1990 helped avoid more than 160,000 premature deaths, 130,000 heart attacks, 13 million lost work days and 1.7 million asthma attacks last year, according to today'sreport, which measured only the impact of amendments from 1990. By 2020, complying with the amendments would prevent 200,000 heart attacks, 17 million lost work days and 2.4 million asthma attacks, according to the report."

In fairness, I don't care that wind turbines kill birds. I only care when the turbines are killing birds around the new stadium. Other than that, put 1,000,000,000,000,000 wind turbines in West Texas, for all I care.

Giving the EPA unlimited power is a recipe for disaster (as is giving any governement agency that power). This is what this administration has done and another reason I will be voting for anyone else for President next year (huge surprise, I know).,

Quoner · June 12, 2011

Giving the EPA unlimited power is a recipe for disaster (as is giving any governement agency that power).

If we don't learn anything from the tragic story of Russ Cargill, we're just doomed to repeat it.

HoustonEagle · June 13, 2011

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43269525/ns/business-going_green/

The EPA states, "....would cost (coal) industry nearly $11 BILLION "A YEAR" in estimated compliance expenditures."

You know if these are government figures the actual figues will be much higher.

This is JUST part of the new forced costs that the EPA is getting ready to place on coal companies.......there will be regulations for lead, arsenic and acid gases that have not yet been released that will cost the coal companies additional monies.

Who will pay for this moderization?
*****Some coal fired plants will be forces to shut down....loss of jobs.
*****Others will be forced to pass the HIGHER utility costs to the consumer in "much higher utility costs."

This administration has brought us:
*****to the point of our government defaulting on "interest payments."
*****over $14 Trillion debt ceiling.
*****high gas prices.
*****escalating food prices.
*****escalating consumer goods.
*****depression like unemployment.
*****and now the begining of higher utility costs.
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can some of you liberals intelligently defend these policies of this administration?

I hate to interrupt your Obama bashing party but thought I would inject a few rational counterpoints.

1. We will only default if we do not raise the debt ceiling just like we would have defaulted if we did not raise the debt ceiling each of the last ten years.

2. Yes we still have to much debt but again I say we have raised the debt ceiling each of the last ten years. Where was your anger then?

3. Yes gas prices are too high but for the sake of accurate reporting they were higher under Bush only to be brought down by the great recession.

Whats more is that if you factor in all energy prices and not just gasoline, prices are still much lower than their peak under Bush.

4. Growing third world economies are driving this bus.

5. See #4 growing third world economies drive up the prices of commodities thus driving up the price of consumer goods.

6. It sucks but without putting too much lipstick on this pig let me point out a stat of interest. Unemployment among college grads is 4.5% and even lower for those with more than a bachelors. Good quality blue collar jobs in this country have been lost to cheaper labor in places like china and India. That is not a recent phenomenon and those jobs are not coming back nor should they. The new American economy is evolving to what is titled a Knowledge Economy. What I find troublesome is that far too many Americans seem to have not got the memo as we have too few Americans with college degrees and even fewer still with specialized degrees.

7. Utility prices were higher under Bush

Edited June 13, 2011 by HoustonEagle

UNT90 · June 13, 2011

I hate to interrupt your Obama bashing party but thought I would inject a few rational counterpoints.
1. We will only default if we do not raise the debt ceiling just like we would have defaulted if we did not raise the debt ceiling each of the last ten years.
2. Yes we still have to much debt but again I say we have raised the debt ceiling each of the last ten years. Where was your anger then?
3. Yes gas prices are too high but for the sake of accurate reporting they were higher under Bush only to be brought down by the great recession.
Whats more is that if you factor in all energy prices and not just gasoline, prices are still much lower than their peak under Bush.
4. Growing third world economies are driving this bus.
5. See #4 growing third world economies drive up the prices of commodities thus driving up the price of consumer goods.
6. It sucks but without putting too much lipstick on this pig let me point out a stat of interest. Unemployment among college grads is 4.5% and even lower for those with more than a bachelors. Good quality blue collar jobs in this country have been lost to cheaper labor in places like china and India. That is not a recent phenomenon and those jobs are not coming back nor should they. The new American economy is evolving to what is titled a Knowledge Economy. What I find troublesome is that far too many Americans seem to have not got the memo as we have too few Americans with college degrees and even fewer still with specialized degrees.
7. Utility prices were higher under Bush

Wow.

So much misinformation here, I don't know where to begin. I'll just wait for your excuses as both inflation and interest rates continue their inevitable climb due in large part to Pres. Obama's policies.

As to 7, 6, 5, 4 above: PROVE IT.

And I thought the oil prices were high under Bush because he just wanted his oil buddies to get rich. Looks like Pres. Obama has the same friends, no?

eulesseagle · June 13, 2011

HoustonEagle: This administration has raised the debt more than all other president's combined:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/jun/01/sarah-palin/sarah-palin-says-obama-has-accumulated-more-debt-p/

FDR did the same....raised the debt more than all other previous president's combined.....prior to WWII.

The standard liberal retort is to blame Bush or someone else but themselves.

All your seven points are just "talking points" with no real proof. I have given facts. Just show us where you get your information.

Food prices increase the most in 36 years:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/03/16/business/main20043737.shtml

Edited June 13, 2011 by eulesseagle

EagleGreen · June 13, 2011

I hate to interrupt your Obama bashing party but thought I would inject a few rational counterpoints.
1. We will only default if we do not raise the debt ceiling just like we would have defaulted if we did not raise the debt ceiling each of the last ten years.
2. Yes we still have to much debt but again I say we have raised the debt ceiling each of the last ten years. Where was your anger then?
3. Yes gas prices are too high but for the sake of accurate reporting they were higher under Bush only to be brought down by the great recession.
Whats more is that if you factor in all energy prices and not just gasoline, prices are still much lower than their peak under Bush.
4. Growing third world economies are driving this bus.
5. See #4 growing third world economies drive up the prices of commodities thus driving up the price of consumer goods.
6. It sucks but without putting too much lipstick on this pig let me point out a stat of interest. Unemployment among college grads is 4.5% and even lower for those with more than a bachelors. Good quality blue collar jobs in this country have been lost to cheaper labor in places like china and India. That is not a recent phenomenon and those jobs are not coming back nor should they. The new American economy is evolving to what is titled a Knowledge Economy. What I find troublesome is that far too many Americans seem to have not got the memo as we have too few Americans with college degrees and even fewer still with specialized degrees.
7. Utility prices were higher under Bush

They are just not going to get it, buddy. See #6 above. Regardless of rational thought, some folks will simply just not get it.

Censored by Laurie · June 13, 2011

You guys know the Mavs just won the NBA title, right?

UNT90 · June 13, 2011

They are just not going to get it, buddy. See #6 above. Regardless of rational thought, some folks will simply just not get it.

Justifying 9% unemployment? A number that doesn't even include those that have stopped trying to find employment?

You are right. I simply don't get it.

Funny thing is, all of these arguments could have been use to support the Bush administration (even though every single one of them would have been invalid).

Political cheerleading at it's finest.

Edited June 13, 2011 by UNT90

UNT90 · June 13, 2011

You guys know the Mavs just won the NBA title, right?

Meh...

UNTFan23 · June 13, 2011

HoustonEagle: This administration has raised the debt more than all other president's combined:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/jun/01/sarah-palin/sarah-palin-says-obama-has-accumulated-more-debt-p/

Did you read the article? PolitiFact rated Sarah Palins comment as false:

"Sarah Palin says Obama has accumulated more debt than previous 43 presidents combined"

Yes, Obama has increased the federal debt by more than 3 trillion, which is increasing the debt at a faster rate than any previous president ever has.

DeepGreen · June 14, 2011

HoustonEagle posted-

"The new American economy is evolving to what is titled a Knowledge Economy."

Guess I'm just dumb and can't keep up with all the new terminology that's being used today, but what actually is a "Knowledge Economy"? What physical product does it produce/manufacture in this country? Does it creat new jobs for blue collar Americans who are out of work? Does it build factories and produce goods and services?

What is this "Knowledge Economy"? Call me stupid because I really don't know.

HoustonEagle · June 14, 2011

HoustonEagle posted-

"The new American economy is evolving to what is titled a Knowledge Economy."

Guess I'm just dumb and can't keep up with all the new terminology that's being used today, but what actually is a "Knowledge Economy"? What physical product does it produce/manufacture in this country? Does it creat new jobs for blue collar Americans who are out of work? Does it build factories and produce goods and services?

What is this "Knowledge Economy"? Call me stupid because I really don't know.

Knowledge Economy

DeepGreen · June 14, 2011

That's inspiring. <_<

GrayEagle · June 15, 2011

That's inspiring.

It may be inspiring but who pays for this technology and consulting? Apparently it's not enough to keep enough people employed to buy each other's services. If we had a nation of nothing but college graduates would the unemployment rate be 4.5%?