Miller Proving My Point

eppy4life · April 5, 2011

All I've got to say is the support for your point comes from Junior Miller.

Everyone here hates Miller because he's an alum who bags on the school. I get it. But he isn't the sports moron you guys make him out to be. I actually enjoy listening to his Mavs perspective knowing he isn't a fan and is looking at it from a different vantage point. The same could be said about our program. Don't slot him as an ignorant weak member of the Musers but instead view him as the typical UNT alum who's opinion we need to understand better.

Or not.

FloMoGrad · April 5, 2011

Look, I'm not saying I hate the Cinderella. I just hate 4 Cinderellas meeting in the final 4.

This is not opinion, this is crazy talk.

UConn won the Big East Tourney and held their own in conference play. How's that a Cindarella?

And you're talking about Kentucky as a Cinderella? That might just be impossible. They went pretty deep as well last yr with this guy named John Wall and have 7 national championship banners in the rafters, 2 in the last 15 yrs?

Butler is playing in their 2nd straight National Championship game, Only team in the history of the tournament to make consecutive trips tot he National Championship and not be rated a #1 or #2 seed. How does the #2 best team in the country from the prior yr get classified as a Cinderella?

So that's 1-4 on Cinderella's.

As far as Draft Picks, Butler and VCU both had Top 15 Draft Picks in last years NBA draft. Only two teams had multiple selections in the first round: Kentucky with 5 and Kansas with 2.

If I wanted to watch future NBA players I'd go watch AAU National Championships.

Bottomline, VCU, Butler, UConn & Kentucky deserved to be there, more than anyone else in the country, because they did what they had to do to be there. If Kansas or Ohio St was the best team in the country, they'd have won they games they needed to. They didn't, so they are not.

I loved last night's game.

eppy4life · April 5, 2011

I loved last night's game.

I'm glad.

TIgreen01 · April 5, 2011

I know, why don't we just make it double elimination for the power conference programs, so that we would almost assuredly have something like a Kansas/Duke matchup every year? Who needs these fluke VCU over Kansas games screwing up the entire pecking order? I'm tired of all that Cinderella this, Cinderella that crap anyway, because it really takes all the fun out of the tournament experience. Go power conferences!

This same discussion was had by Mike and Mike over on ESPN radio after the tickets to the final 4 were punched. Greenberg was upset at the results and commented that this NCAA bball tournament was not the best way to crown a champion. They circled this back to all the talk on setting up a playoff for D1-A college football....only they wanted to limit it to only 8 teams b/c, and I quote, "NOT EVERY TEAM SHOULD HAVE THE SAME CHANCE TO WIN."

I shit you not.

It's really pretty simple. The media is interested in BIG ratings. The single biggest reason most of these talking heads are turning tail is b/c the television ratings have proven to drop when the non-power conference teams make the final games. Bigger tv ratings beget higher ad revenue. It's a business, and is being run as such. Sports talk is the big content providers avenue to create hype around programming, and test/change public opinion. Most people would agree that the NCAA bball tournaments (both mens and womens) are the fairest way to decide a champion. Just don't be surprised if the format keeps getting tweaked every few years to help insure the investment that many have made. Butler playing historically poorly does not help the cause. TV ratings had to take a dive as that mess continued to get worse and worse with every missed shot.

I imagine that you'll see the argument change to trying to find a way to keep the elite players in school longer. That inherently gives the top programs an advantage over the programs that cannot recruit the top level players. Maybe college basketball finally gets the college baseball treatment...once you accept a scholarship, you're in school for 3 years, otherwise you can go pro straight out of high school.

UNT90 · April 5, 2011

Marconi Award winning sports expert?

Bass or Trout?

Daddy Dumpsalot · April 5, 2011

Tap the brakes on the "fan" talk. You've got a long way to go before I start giving you anymore of my -1.

+1

Daddy Dumpsalot · April 5, 2011

One thing we could consistently do this year was to put the ball in the hole with regularity, so I suspect that you're right.

I guess...but can we please get back to basketball talk?

UNTFan23 · April 5, 2011

I believe in the comments that the media is interested in getting the highest ratings for the games but believing that schools from the Big 6 always deliver blockbuster ratings is in my opinion overrated.

I was much more interested in the Butler/VCU game than I was the Kentucky/Connecticut game. In fact, I flipped over to the Rangers/BoSox game while UK/UConn were still early in the 1st half cause I wasn't emotionally invested in that match-up. I recorded the National Championship game but when I found out Butler lost I deleted the game from my DVR. It would have been nice to see someone that has never win that kind of game actually pull it out.

There are people out there that would rather watch a smaller program win a big match-up and not the same teams every single year.

Edited April 5, 2011 by UNTFan23

UNTLifer · April 5, 2011

Everyone here hates Miller because he's an alum who bags on the school. I get it. But he isn't the sports moron you guys make him out to be. I actually enjoy listening to his Mavs perspective knowing he isn't a fan and is looking at it from a different vantage point. The same could be said about our program. Don't slot him as an ignorant weak member of the Musers but instead view him as the typical UNT alum who's opinion we need to understand better.

Or not.

My point with Jr. Miller is that he states that he barely followed college basketball this year, then spouts off his opinion. If he followed college basketball, then I might be able to accept his point of view, but since he admittedly doesn't, I don't.

UNTFan23 · April 5, 2011

My point with Jr. Miller is that he states that he barely followed college basketball this year, then spouts off his opinion. If he followed college basketball, then I might be able to accept his point of view, but since he admittedly doesn't, I don't.

Add in Jr would rather watch an NBA game totally lost me in his weak sauce argument. :no:

UNT90 · April 5, 2011

Everyone here hates Miller because he's an alum who bags on the school. I get it. But he isn't the sports moron you guys make him out to be. I actually enjoy listening to his Mavs perspective knowing he isn't a fan and is looking at it from a different vantage point. The same could be said about our program. Don't slot him as an ignorant weak member of the Musers but instead view him as the typical UNT alum who's opinion we need to understand better.

Or not.

My not liking Jr. has very little to do with whether he supports UNT or not. He usually talks out of his a$$ on subjects that he doesn't take the time to learn anything about. Kinda like a freaking blogger, except he gets paid to do it. It would be different if he admitted he was talking out his a$$ and was the least bit funny (see Gordon, who is very funny). He doesn't and isn't. By far the weakest personality on the show.

His opinions are much like your bits, but he gets paid well into 6 figures.

eppy4life · April 6, 2011

His opinions are much like your bits, but he gets paid well into 6 figures.

But you can't just discredit his opinions or say he's an idiot when his view falls in line with the majority. Maybe he is uninformed or speaking about which he has no clue but he also represents most sports fans. At least in this argument. Sure, you'll say he doesn't because you surround yourself with people who love the small school/mid major so YOUR sample loves these results. And maybe once in a blue moon it's fun, but when it's happening more and more frequently it's not.

Edited April 6, 2011 by eppy4life

foutsrouts · April 6, 2011

His opinions are much like your bits, but he gets paid well into 6 figures.

That lame dude gets well into the six-figures? Possibly so, but last I heard all but the top of the heap were making something more like mid-five figures. I know he has been there quite awhile now, but I didn't think that even with their recent ratings success, that nice six-figure salaries had filtered down to his level. He and "Whiner" are the primary reasons that I gradually moved away from listening to that station.

UNTLifer · April 6, 2011

But you can't just discredit his opinions or say he's an idiot when his view falls in line with the majority. Maybe he is uninformed or speaking about which he has no clue but he also represents most sports fans. At least in this argument. Sure, you'll say he doesn't because you surround yourself with people who love the small school/mid major so YOUR sample loves these results. And maybe once in a blue moon it's fun, but when it's happening more and more frequently it's not.

The comment in bold is where I object. I think you will find that there was more interest in the Butler/VCU game than the Kentucky/UConn matchup which was evident by an on-line poll CBS or ESPN did prior to the Final Four. I would be curious though if there was a survey taken to support your/Jr. Miller's comment.

UNT90 · April 6, 2011

But you can't just discredit his opinions or say he's an idiot when his view falls in line with the majority. Maybe he is uninformed or speaking about which he has no clue but he also represents most sports fans. At least in this argument. Sure, you'll say he doesn't because you surround yourself with people who love the small school/mid major so YOUR sample loves these results. And maybe once in a blue moon it's fun, but when it's happening more and more frequently it's not.

Actually, it's America's opinion. You need to check out the television ratings for last year's Butler v Duke matchup.

But then again, I'm sure your bitty self already knew that.

And since you have never met me, you don't know who I surround myself with. I will tell you that I work with many people who went to big 6 schools, and they were much more interested in the Butler/VCU game than UConn/Kentucky.

Keep on plugging for those -1s.

Edited April 6, 2011 by UNT90

eppy4life · April 6, 2011

Actually, it's America's opinion. You need to check out the television ratings for last year's Butler v Duke matchup.

But then again, I'm sure your bitty self already knew that.

And since you have never met me, you don't know who I surround myself with. I will tell you that I work with many people who went to big 6 schools, and they were much more interested in the Butler/VCU game than UConn/Kentucky.

Keep on plugging for those -1s.

A honest opinion isn't always a bit. But keep plugging for those women who don't like nametags. You may get one someday.

Daddy Dumpsalot · April 6, 2011

I agree with everyone.

UNT90 · April 6, 2011

A honest opinion isn't always a bit. But keep plugging for those women who don't like nametags. You may get one someday.

well, to the highlighted:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=333ac__d9Mw&feature=player_detailpage

Perhaps you should read this and re-learn the lesson.

MeanMag · April 7, 2011

Craig does good things for charities etc... So I can't hate the guy. Besides, I think it's just some bit akin to eppy's. They have to have an antagonist or sports points aren't fun to discuss. No one I talk to actually believes that Craig's point of views expressed on the station are his own.

eppy4life · April 7, 2011

Craig does good things for charities etc... So I can't hate the guy. Besides, I think it's just some bit akin to eppy's. They have to have an antagonist or sports points aren't fun to discuss. No one I talk to actually believes that Craig's point of views expressed on the station are his own.

Another fan. Thanks MeanMag.

MeanMag · April 7, 2011

Another fan. Thanks MeanMag.

Not a fan of yours as I don't think the opinions expressed by you on this board are your own either.

I'd have to experience a point of view that was your own for me to determine fandom.

Until then, it's fun to discuss sports points with someone who is wrong.

MeanMag · April 7, 2011

Not a fan of yours as I don't think the opinions expressed by you on this board are your own either.

I'd have to experience a point of view that was your own for me to determine fandom.

Until then, it's fun to discuss sports points with someone who is wrong.

This brings me to my next point...

eppy4life = craig miller?

forevereagle · April 7, 2011

This brings me to my next point...

eppy4life = craig miller?

Have you ever seen them in the same place at the same time?

untjim1995 · April 7, 2011

That lame dude gets well into the six-figures? Possibly so, but last I heard all but the top of the heap were making something more like mid-five figures. I know he has been there quite awhile now, but I didn't think that even with their recent ratings success, that nice six-figure salaries had filtered down to his level. He and "Whiner" are the primary reasons that I gradually moved away from listening to that station.

A few years back, when Greggo got fired form The TIcket, it was reported that his annual income was around $400k. Those guys make serious dough, which they should since they have the highest rated show for the best target demographic.

All About UNT · April 7, 2011

A few years back, when Greggo got fired form The TIcket, it was reported that his annual income was around $400k. Those guys make serious dough, which they should since they have the highest rated show for the best target demographic.

Even Jagger was clearing over 250k a year on the Fan (so I heard).