It's Freezing Because Of

[UNTflyer]

Meh. Even the "global warming" scientists are starting to backtrack. It seems to me it was just the new "it" thing among climatologists. In the past century, the consensus has shifted back and forth between global warming and global cooling several times... The fact is, we are pretty arrogant to think we completely understand how the earth's climate works and trying to predict long term trends when we can't seem to accurately predict if it's going to rain or snow or whatever in the next 3 days.

There's an agenda on both sides, but I tend to side with the skeptics rather than the hardcore believers. Any "scientist" who says "the debate is over" is not following basic scientific principles.

My fear is the politicians who want to push an economic policy based on questionable data. There has been talk of placing heavy taxes on energy consumption and forcing us to move toward highly inefficient energy sources (wind, solar, etc.)... inefficiency leads to waste and economic disparity. Why should we be willing to follow this insanity like a bunch of lemmings?

Finally, remember the words of Robert Heinlein: "Climate is what you expect, weather is what you get."

[Eagle1855]

The debate is whether or not humans, through their actions, can truly affect this change one way or the other, not whether or not the earth's climate changes, right?

[MeanGreenTexan]

The debate is whether or not humans, through their actions, can truly affect this change one way or the other, not whether or not the earth's climate changes, right?

I think the debate is actually if everyone on earth all farted at the same time, would it start an El Nino pattern, would the gasses affect the ozone layer, and would the introduction of all that warm air melt all the glaciers?

[UNTflyer]

The debate is whether or not humans, through their actions, can truly affect this change one way or the other, not whether or not the earth's climate changes, right?

Yes but to prove the former you have to observe the latter. Since scientists cannot even agree on whether the earth is warming or cooling, the theory of whether or not humans are causing it should be set aside for now.

[EagleGreen]

Yes but to prove the former you have to observe the latter. Since scientists cannot even agree on whether the earth is warming or cooling, the theory of whether or not humans are causing it should be set aside for now.

In a previous belch, you said that to say the debate is over or to not discuss other options other than global climate change is happening would not follow the scientific process. Now, you are saying, and I paraphrase, that if you agree that global climate change is NOT happening then we should not discuss it any further or set the debate aside. If we agree with you then we don't need to discuss further? Done deal? Nice.

Also, you said climate scienitists are backtracking. Some may be, as is the case in any job. Certainly, a majority of climate scientists (me included) agree that the global climate is changing with an overall warming trend. It's happening. To the best of anyone's knowledge, the global climate is exhibiting a warming trend. The naysayers get confused because they believe the terms "global warming" or "global climate change" are synonomous with "human-induced global warming". Since there is no silver bullet and noone can "prove" that humans are causing the warming trend, naysayers say "global warming" is not happening. Largely, because they don't want to have to pay for any policy changes that limits the emmissions of greenhouse gasses, or cause them extra business expense. So, in the interest of business, economy, taxes, jobs, etc., naysayers just find it easier to belch out that "climate scientists are confused" or "global warming is a hoax".

I can assure you that when the earth showed a cooling trend, climate scientist let the public know. As time progressed, the earth's climate was somewhat stable and their was no debate. Nowadays, the climate is showing a warming trend (yes, it's happening) and climate scientists once again illuminated the change. The deal with this warming trend is that it is happening at an exponentially increasing rate (faster than any warming or cooling trend on record) so it seems to be caused by factors other than the ole favorite "natural cycles". It also correlates to the increased human population and increase in greenhouse gasses, globally. Best guess is that the extra heat (causing the increased rate as compared to natural increases) is anthropogenic, largely caused by electricity generation (power plants are the major contributer to green house gas emmissions).

[UNT90]

In a previous belch, you said that to say the debate is over or to not discuss other options other than global climate change is happening would not follow the scientific process. Now, you are saying, and I paraphrase, that if you agree that global climate change is NOT happening then we should not discuss it any further or set the debate aside. If we agree with you then we don't need to discuss further? Done deal? Nice.

Also, you said climate scienitists are backtracking. Some may be, as is the case in any job. Certainly, a majority of climate scientists (me included) agree that the global climate is changing with an overall warming trend. It's happening. To the best of anyone's knowledge, the global climate is exhibiting a warming trend. The naysayers get confused because they believe the terms "global warming" or "global climate change" are synonomous with "human-induced global warming". Since there is no silver bullet and noone can "prove" that humans are causing the warming trend, naysayers say "global warming" is not happening. Largely, because they don't want to have to pay for any policy changes that limits the emmissions of greenhouse gasses, or cause them extra business expense. So, in the interest of business, economy, taxes, jobs, etc., naysayers just find it easier to belch out that "climate scientists are confused" or "global warming is a hoax".

I can assure you that when the earth showed a cooling trend, climate scientist let the public know. As time progressed, the earth's climate was somewhat stable and their was no debate. Nowadays, the climate is showing a warming trend (yes, it's happening) and climate scientists once again illuminated the change. The deal with this warming trend is that it is happening at an exponentially increasing rate (faster than any warming or cooling trend on record) so it seems to be caused by factors other than the ole favorite "natural cycles". It also correlates to the increased human population and increase in greenhouse gasses, globally. Best guess is that the extra heat (causing the increased rate as compared to natural increases) is anthropogenic, largely caused by electricity generation (power plants are the major contributer to green house gas emmissions).

But you also can't ignore the fact that global warming trends occurred hundreds of years ago, followed by global cooling. Cyclical or manmade? The climate has been cooling since the mid 90s in many studies, but these seemed to be ignored by the faithful in the global warming movement.

And, we were absolutely taught in the late 70s that the world was cooling at an exponentially increasing rate, leading to a new ice age.

Theories are great, but not anywhere close to exact. Toss a coin for the same result

[UNTflyer]

In a previous belch, you said that to say the debate is over or to not discuss other options other than global climate change is happening would not follow the scientific process. Now, you are saying, and I paraphrase, that if you agree that global climate change is NOT happening then we should not discuss it any further or set the debate aside. If we agree with you then we don't need to discuss further? Done deal? Nice.

My point was that if we cannot determine is global warming is happening or not (and there is still debate), then why even try to come up with solutions for a problem that may or may not exist? Especially if those solutions call for higher taxes on energy consumption and other regulations such as curly-q lightbulbs and low flow toilets.

[The Fake Lonnie Finch]

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/26/opinion/26cohen.html?_r=1&ref=opinion

The Global Warming crowd never gives up their agenda.

The scientists who push it are just whores. Politicians are now paying for that kind of research. If they started giving grants for global cooling, they'd all be whoring for global cooling.

I've always been skeptical of a global warming. But, I'm even more skeptical of people who claim to be above the fray in the pursuit of putting more money in their pockets. Scientists aren't anymore above greed and lust for fame those in any other profession.

The research dollar these days is driven by global warming theories, so that's where they get on the corner and show their gartered thighs - the hussies.

Edited December 30, 2010 by The Fake Lonnie Finch

[Primo]

I blame illegal immigrants.

Those dang canadians... or is it canadiennes... who gives a chit... as soon as we build that wall from Maine to Washington, we ain't gonna hafta worry about nafta... they're taking our jobs!!!

El Mystico Azul and Chapulin de La Selva de Quixmatalco can't get battle royal matches anymore cuz Danny the Moose-bugger is underbidding the contracts!!!

[Monkeypox]

I miss the good ol' days, when all our Mexicans were played by Jews. Now, they're all played by Luis Guzman, and I dunno WHAT he is, other than completely out of place in The Count of Monte Cristo.

Point being, I blame polar bears.

[Primo]

I miss the good ol' days, when all our Mexicans were played by Jews. Now, they're all played by Luis Guzman, and I dunno WHAT he is, other than completely out of place in The Count of Monte Cristo.

Point being, I blame polar bears.

The puerto ricans (like Guzman) and canadians are always taking the good Mexican jobs... even in Lucha Libre... Primo is doomed!

Jews used to play Mexicans and the Mexicans used to play indians... ahhh the good ole days!

[gruu]

"Mexicans used to play indians" - It was the Italians!

Keep America Beautiful

[Primo]

"Mexicans used to play indians" - It was the Italians!

Keep America Beautiful

Now that's no reason to give me a -1 just cuz I forgot the italians!

Who plays the canadians?

[gruu]

Now that's no reason to give me a -1 just cuz I forgot the italians!

Who plays the canadians?

I didn't give you any -1's... I just wanted to point out this one fact.

[eulesseagle]

From the UN Global Conference

______________________________________________________________________

United Nations Global Catastophe

and Human Diaspora

2010 Conference Summary

November 18, 2010

The President of the United Nations announced the findings of a 23 year study, sanctioned and funded by 21 developed countries, concerning the catostropic effects of world wide climatological anomolies and patterns since 1987.

Project Director Dr. Ernst Fienfeld analized climate trends based on northern and southern hemisphere, eastern and western Pacific, eastern and western Atlantic, Northern and southern with eastern and western Indian Ocean and finally all continents.

Dr. Fienfeld stated that to keep our planet from internally destroying itself through the drastic changes of global warming and cooling, which in steel, if exposed to the same drastic changes, turns brittle and litterly explodes, the United Nations must immediately begin to move masses of the earth's peoples to different parts of the planet.

Peoples living north and south of the Tropics of Cancer and Capricorn which are predominately caucasian in the northern hemispher and predominately of a darker pigmentation in the southern hemisphere have been experiencing the most extreme climatological changes and anomolies on the planet, during this study.

Indigenous peoples between the Tropics of Cancer and Capricorn have experienced only negligible climatological changes which fall into a +/- 3.7568% of insignificant change.

The United Nations Scientific Bureau has brought forth the recommendations for immediate action which has only been signed and approved by the 111th Congress and signed by President Obama to fund eight trillion dollars over the next two years to study feasability outcomes of moving the earth's population so that each continent will have a neutral blending of populations. What this means is that semi-proportionate numbers of people would be transported to and from different continents. Sixty percent of Anglo-Europeans living on the North American and European continents would be moved to southern hemispheric continents and forty percent of sub-equatorian indigenous populations would repopulate what is now known as North America and Europe.

These population changes with the reconfiguration of all buildings on earth's surface to conform to a maximum height, not to exceed seven stories, will save the planet for the survival of mankind. The American President's signing of the Cities Reclaimation and Improvement Act on December 20, 2010 is designed to assist with the redesigning of American cites to conform to United Nation's standards. Chi-Lui Pyang, of China, the incoming president and director of the newly formed United Nations International Monitary Fund stated during President Obama's signing that all nations will be held accountable for a Cities Reclaimation and Improvement Act, which will cost the Americans another nine trillion dollars and Euope only three and a quarter trillion Euros to bring all structures in North America and Europe into United Nation Compliance Codes of seven stories except for pre existing National Monuments.

The CRIA will place an addional 76.75% compliance tax on all property owners in North America and Europe to fund the transformation to save the planet.

Carbon fuel taxes will be raise an additional 81.53% from all producers of oils and natural gas to fund the project and the repopulation in an effort to eliminate the extreme climatological changes that are presently destroying our planet and to make a more egalitarian future for all peoples of earth.

link

Edited January 3, 2011 by eulesseagle

[greenminer]

Summer of '94 or '95 in El Paso was the hottest I have ever felt. Records for single-day high (114), most days > 90, most days > 100, most days > 110, consecutive days > 90, consecutive days > 100, etc.

That's the only research I need.

[meangreenacct]

From the UN Global Conference

______________________________________________________________________

United Nations Global Catastophe

and Human Diaspora

2010 Conference Summary

November 18, 2010

The President of the United Nations announced the findings of a 23 year study, sanctioned and funded by 21 developed countries, concerning the catostropic effects of world wide climatological anomolies and patterns since 1987.

Project Director Dr. Ernst Fienfeld analized climate trends based on northern and southern hemisphere, eastern and western Pacific, eastern and western Atlantic, Northern and southern with eastern and western Indian Ocean and finally all continents.

Dr. Fienfeld stated that to keep our planet from internally destroying itself through the drastic changes of global warming and cooling, which in steel, if exposed to the same drastic changes, turns brittle and litterly explodes, the United Nations must immediately begin to move masses of the earth's peoples to different parts of the planet.

Peoples living north and south of the Tropics of Cancer and Capricorn which are predominately caucasian in the northern hemispher and predominately of a darker pigmentation in the southern hemisphere have been experiencing the most extreme climatological changes and anomolies on the planet, during this study.

Indigenous peoples between the Tropics of Cancer and Capricorn have experienced only negligible climatological changes which fall into a +/- 3.7568% of insignificant change.

The United Nations Scientific Bureau has brought forth the recommendations for immediate action which has only been signed and approved by the 111th Congress and signed by President Obama to fund eight trillion dollars over the next two years to study feasability outcomes of moving the earth's population so that each continent will have a neutral blending of populations. What this means is that semi-proportionate numbers of people would be transported to and from different continents. Sixty percent of Anglo-Europeans living on the North American and European continents would be moved to southern hemispheric continents and forty percent of sub-equatorian indigenous populations would repopulate what is now known as North America and Europe.

These population changes with the reconfiguration of all buildings on earth's surface to conform to a maximum height, not to exceed seven stories, will save the planet for the survival of mankind. The American President's signing of the Cities Reclaimation and Improvement Act on December 20, 2010 is designed to assist with the redesigning of American cites to conform to United Nation's standards. Chi-Lui Pyang, of China, the incoming president and director of the newly formed United Nations International Monitary Fund stated during President Obama's signing that all nations will be held accountable for a Cities Reclaimation and Improvement Act, which will cost the Americans another nine trillion dollars and Euope only three and a quarter trillion Euros to bring all structures in North America and Europe into United Nation Compliance Codes of seven stories except for pre existing National Monuments.

The CRIA will place an addional 76.75% compliance tax on all property owners in North America and Europe to fund the transformation to save the planet.

Carbon fuel taxes will be raise an additional 81.53% from all producers of oils and natural gas to fund the project and the repopulation in an effort to eliminate the extreme climatological changes that are presently destroying our planet and to make a more egalitarian future for all peoples of earth.

link

Where do you get any of this information from? I googled the "CRIA" and I get nothing back. If such a major law was signed, surely it would be mentioned somewhere. Also I tend to not take too seriously articles posted with no author/source.

[TheTastyGreek]

Where do you get any of this information from? I googled the "CRIA" and I get nothing back. If such a major law was signed, surely it would be mentioned somewhere. Also I tend to not take too seriously articles posted with no author/source.

DON'T ASK.

[meangreenacct]

DON'T ASK.

DON'T TELL???

[UNT90]

DON'T TELL???

SEE!!!

IT WORKS!!!

[Censored by Laurie]

SEE!!!

IT WORKS!!!

You are so gay.

[UNT90]

You are so gay.

Are you asking or telling?

[Censored by Laurie]

Are you asking or telling?

Can't it be both?

[UNT90]

Can't it be both?

In my best Rick Carlisle voice: NO*

* - unless she's good looking.

[eulesseagle]

ok, i just made it all up....but....it did sound pretty funny when i was writing it. however, it is just as plausable as the stats and craps that try to legitimize the warming and cooling debate and just as ridicoulous.