Redshirt Talk

[eppy4life]

Everyone is talking about the efforts of Tune to get a medical redshirt. What about D Thompson? Is it possible for him to as well?

[All About UNT]

Everyone is talking about the efforts of Tune to get a medical redshirt. What about D Thompson? Is it possible for him to as well?

I thought that was already in the bag?? There is no reason not to.

[Mean Green 93-98]

Yes, Thompson's medical redshirt should be a given.

We talked a little bit about this the other day: http://www.gomeangreen.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=57705&st=0

Edited December 3, 2010 by Mean Green 93-98

[eppy4life]

Thanks

[Dr. Seuss]

Everyone is talking about the efforts of Tune to get a medical redshirt. What about D Thompson? Is it possible for him to as well?

He should be givin a redshirt but he did play in 3 games and thats the max; had 5 snaps vs clemson, 3 snaps vs rice and the first quarter against army. You never know bc the NCAA is harder on giving people redshirts, but yes he SHOULD. So should pretty much everyone else that had season ending surgery

[Marty]

He should be givin a redshirt but he did play in 3 games and thats the max; had 5 snaps vs clemson, 3 snaps vs rice and the first quarter against army. You never know bc the NCAA is harder on giving people redshirts, but yes he SHOULD. So should pretty much everyone else that had season ending surgery

He SHOULD but so should have Zach Muzzy. The NCAA has different rules for different schools.

[GreenBat]

If he was an alcoholic at OU, he'd have the redshirt wrapped up. But an injury that he couldn't avoid by staying out of the bars and playing at NT makes it sketchy at best!!

[Got5onIt]

Redshirts are only a given if you're in a BCS conference. It's a crapshoot for everyone else.

[Cerebus]

There is no such thing as a medical redshirt.

There is a medical hardship waiver you can apply for if you play in less they 30% of your teams games, it is not automatic.

Every player has 5 years to complete 4 years of eligibility. You use a year if eligibility if you take part in a single play.

Thompson played a series in 2009, thats one year,

Thompson played this year, thats another.

At this moment, he has 3 years to play 2 years.

He can apply for a hardship waiver, its not a guarantee,but his chances are good.

If the waiver is granted, he will have 3 years to play 3.

Tune is different, this year was his 5th year to play his fourth., but he could not complete it.

If he was to get another year, it would be his 6th year to play his fourth.

The NCAA has stated they will be very selective on 6th years, so his chances are much worse than Thompson's.

Don't even get me started on Grey Shirts...

[jdennis82]

Thanks

+1

[ADLER]

When will this confusion end?

The NCAA does not approve medical hardship waivers. If a player has a documented injury and has participated in less than thee or less games at the start of the year. North Texas simply completes the paperwork and submits the medical hardship waiver to the Sun Belt Conference office and a medical 'redshirt' is extended.

The NCAA does get involved and evaluates applications for a sixth year to play a fourth year of eligibility.

[Harry]

When will this confusion end?

The NCAA does not approve medical hardship waivers. If a player has a documented injury and has participated in less than thee or less games at the start of the year. North Texas simply completes the paperwork and submits the medical hardship waiver to the Sun Belt Conference office and a medical 'redshirt' is extended.

The NCAA does get involved and evaluates applications for a sixth year to play a fourth year of eligibility.

Thanks for clearing that up Adler. Let's just hope the NCAA will approve this for us.

[Mean Green 93-98]

The NCAA does not approve medical hardship waivers.

Thanks for clearing that up Adler. Let's just hope the NCAA will approve this for us.

[Cerebus]

When will this confusion end?

The NCAA does not approve medical hardship waivers. If a player has a documented injury and has participated in less than thee or less games at the start of the year. North Texas simply completes the paperwork and submits the medical hardship waiver to the Sun Belt Conference office and a medical 'redshirt' is extended.

The NCAA does get involved and evaluates applications for a sixth year to play a fourth year of eligibility.

I have to admit this was all explained to me a decade ago, so i just read the 2010 NCAA Bylaws. Fascinating stuff let me tell you, the NCAA Hardship Waiver section starts at 14.2.4 and it seems there have been many revisions in the last 6 years or so.

Specifically, the "who settles the waiver app" section was updated in '04 and '09:

14.2.4.2 Administration of Hardship Waiver. The hardship waiver shall be administered by the member

conferences of the Association or, in the case of an independent member institution, by the Committee on

Student-Athlete Reinstatement. (Revised: 10/28/04, 4/20/09)

14.2.4.2.1 Review of Denied Waiver. A conference that denies an institution's hardship waiver may

submit the waiver to the Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement. The committee shall have the

authority to review and determine whether to approve the waiver based on circumstances that may warrant

relief from the application of the legislated waiver criteria. (Adopted: 4/20/09)

Prior to this, waivers were sent directly to the Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement, which is an NCAA body.

Also, in a team sport such as football, a player can apply for the waiver as long as in the year they are applying for they played no more than 3 games, or 30% of the schedule, whichever is greater. According to this rule they round up:

14.2.4.3.6.2 Fraction in Percent Computation. Any computation of the percent limitation that

results in a fractional portion of a contest or date of competition shall be rounded to the next whole

number (e.g., 30 percent of a 29-game basketball schedule—8.7 games—shall be considered nine

games). (Revised: 1/14/97 effective 8/1/97, 4/26/07)

So, 30% of a 12 game season is 3.6 games, rounding up then 4 games. So players can play in no more than 4 games.

However, I am still confused by some of the wording, 14.2.4 states:

14.2.4 Hardship Waiver. A student-athlete may be granted an additional year of competition by the conference

or the Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement for reasons of "hardship." Hardship is defined as an

incapacity resulting from an injury or illness that has occurred under all of the following conditions: (Revised:

8/8/02, 11/1/07 effective 8/1/08)

I am guess that year is on the 4, not the 5. Otherwise Thompson would never get to apply for one, example:

2009: year 1 of competition

2010: year 2 of competition, injury

2011: year 3 of competition, year

2012: Year 4 of competition

See, he would never deplete the 5, so he could never apply for the 6th. So the rule must apply to the 4 years of competition, not the 5 year period.

[KT1310]

If anyone is still confused, Derek is receiving a medical redshirt which makes him a sophomore as far as athletics are concerned.