Did Benson Offer Unt Again ? Also Ull ?

[MeanGreen61]

Dwayne from Minden sez YES in this thread.

http://www.latechbbb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=81395

[All About UNT]

Dwayne from Minden sez YES in this thread.

http://www.latechbbb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=81395

Amazing that we are getting positive comments from Tech for our turndown of the offer...and they are admitting that the new formation of the WAC is potentially the worst FBS conference at this point.

[NT80]

Quote:

Originally Posted by CorinthEagle

Dwayne,

Were NT and U-la-la offered this time around or were you speaking of a previous invite?

Yes, they were both offered yesterday...

AC reception desk: "RV, Commish Benson of the WAC is on the phone". RV: "Tell him NO!".

I'm sure Benson has called any FBS schools he can think might take the bait before he has to invite the FCS moveups.

[PlummMeanGreen]

Quote:

Originally Posted by CorinthEagle

Dwayne,

Were NT and U-la-la offered this time around or were you speaking of a previous invite?

Yes, they were both offered yesterday...

AC reception desk: "RV, Commish Benson of the WAC is on the phone". RV: "Tell him NO!".

I'm sure Benson has called any FBS schools he can think might take the bait before he has to invite the FCS moveups.

This Benson feller seems to me like a real glutton for self-induced punishment. Wonder if we should send UNT alum Dr. Phil for a visit with the commish'?

GMG!

PS: Hey Dwayne of Minden! I'm MrGreenJeans over at BB&B, but I can't get a post in edge-wise. I'm a kinder/gentler poster as I near age 60 this November. What up?

Edited September 30, 2010 by PlummMeanGreen

[shaft]

The Belt should offer a spot to LA Tech & UTSA as soon as possible.

Kick out Monroe if that's what Tech wants.

[eulessismore]

The Belt should offer a spot to LA Tech & UTSA as soon as possible.

Kick out Monroe if that's what Tech wants.

Don't get it. Because they've never played, so therefore never lost?

[MeanGreen61]

Dwayne made a later post regarding the UNT/ULL invite.

"I stand by my other statement - both the Cajuns and UNT were offered membership monday and BOTH declined...."

[VideoEagle]

The Belt should offer a spot to LA Tech & UTSA as soon as possible.

Kick out Monroe if that's what Tech wants.

Would not want to kick out Monroe even if La Tech is clearly an upgrade. ULM joined in football when we needed a team after La Tech bailed while the conference was forming. Then they moved the rest of their teams over when we needed them for all sports even though they have more of a Southland budged and were faced with higher costs in the Belt. They did the Belt a favor twice when it was not really to their advantage to do so.

Conferences don't kick out schools easily. How many years has Denver been given and if they can't find another home I'm sure the conference President's will grant them an extension. School that do get kicked out actively do something to deserve it.

[MeanGreen61]

Though he didn't say so directly, he indicated that North Texas, which has repeatedly been mentioned as a potential candidate, will not leave the Sun Belt.

“North Texas was not in (Tuesday's) meeting,” he said. “Right now, we're focusing on the five schools we met with.”

Benson sez North Texas not an option.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/utsa_notebook_104130484.html

Edited October 1, 2010 by MeanGreen61

[NT80]

Though he didn't say so directly, he indicated that North Texas, which has repeatedly been mentioned as a potential candidate, will not leave the Sun Belt.

I'd rather see that rephrased as "...will not leave the Sun Belt for the WAC (in it's current form)...but is open to other offers."

Edited October 1, 2010 by NT80

[Dwayne From Minden]

I bet Benson does the SBC a favor by taking Denver off ya'lls hands -

He is TRULY a goob -

[FirefightnRick]

Would not want to kick out Monroe even if La Tech is clearly an upgrade. ULM joined in football when we needed a team after La Tech bailed while the conference was forming. Then they moved the rest of their teams over when we needed them for all sports even though they have more of a Southland budged and were faced with higher costs in the Belt. They did the Belt a favor twice when it was not really to their advantage to do so.

Conferences don't kick out schools easily. How many years has Denver been given and if they can't find another home I'm sure the conference President's will grant them an extension. School that do get kicked out actively do something to deserve it.

Excellent post.

Rick

[Texas Stranger]

“North Texas was not in (Tuesday's) meeting,” he said. “Right now, we're focusing on the five schools we met with.”

UT-San Antonio

Texas State-San Marcos

Montana

Denver

Euless Trinity

[greenminer]

UT-San Antonio

Texas State-San Marcos

Montana

Denver

Euless Trinity

+1 if I could. But I am on the mobile web for now.

[eulessismore]

UT-San Antonio

Texas State-San Marcos

Montana

Denver

Euless Trinity

Euless Trinity questions how this realignment was done, but is looking for appropriate ooc from the Big 11 or 12 and the PAC 10 or 11.

[NT80]

UT-San Antonio

Texas State-San Marcos

Montana

Denver

Euless Trinity

A nice and tight geographic alignment.

Then throw in Hawaii, San Jose, NMSU, La tech, Idaho, Utah St = the World Conference.

[TxStBobcat]

I'm curious as to why UNT is turning down the offer for the WAC? Please no smack talk.

Is it just because they've stuck with the Sunbelt for a decade now that they've got some loyalty?

Have they actually developed real rivalries with Sunbelt teams?

Do they feel the Sunbelt will be easier to win in the future than the new WAC?

Is it an ego thing and not wanting to be associated with Texas State and UTSA?

Is it because of bad memories of being in Western-centric conferences?

Is it because of potential budget issues for the olympic sports?

Is it because they feel a C-USA invite is close?

I would imagine, it's a mixture of all of them, right guys?

Anyways, I hope TXST and UNT start an on-going or every other year type of OOC rivalry over the next few years.

Cheers,

TXSTBOBCAT

I will attach some Sagarin ratings to show how the Sunbelt and new WAC/soon-to-be-WAC teams compare as of right now.

I know these ratings are just that, only ratings. But I think it shows that the new WAC will be FAR from "clearly the worst FBS conference" that is getting thrown around a lot. I'm not attaching these ratings in an attempt to flame anything, but as pre-emptive strike against any uninformed responses that will probably be along the lines of "Because the new WAC will be sooo weak, duh."

Sagarin Ratings

Hawai'i - #80 > Troy - #81

Idaho - #86 > MTSU - #104

San Jose St. - #106 > Arkansas State - #116

La Tech - #109 > Florida Int'l - #120

Montana - #117 > Florida Atl - #125

Texas St. - #130 > Louisiana - #137

Utah St. - #133 > WKU - #144

New Mexico St. - #163 < ULM - #149

UT - San Antonio - No football team at this time < UNT - #151

Sagarin ELO-Chess comparison

Hawai'i 80

Troy 82

San Jose State 88

Idaho 105

MTSU 113

Texas State 116

Tech 117

Montana 126

FAU 127

ULL 129

Ark St 130

FIU 137

Utah St 141

UNT 142

WKU 143

ULM 147

NMSU 162

[LoveMG]

travel expenses. hawaii will go independt. latech wants out. utah state wants in mwc. sjsu thinkng of dropping football. travel expenses. pacific coast time gamres. travel expenses. loss of teams below six fbs loses certification. travel expenses.

[Green Mean]

I'm curious as to why UNT is turning down the offer for the WAC? Please no smack talk.

Is it just because they've stuck with the Sunbelt for a decade now that they've got some loyalty?

Have they actually developed real rivalries with Sunbelt teams?

Do they feel the Sunbelt will be easier to win in the future than the new WAC?

Is it an ego thing and not wanting to be associated with Texas State and UTSA?

Is it because of bad memories of being in Western-centric conferences?

Is it because of potential budget issues for the olympic sports?

Is it because they feel a C-USA invite is close?

I would imagine, it's a mixture of all of them, right guys?

Anyways, I hope TXST and UNT start an on-going or every other year type of OOC rivalry over the next few years.

Cheers,

TXSTBOBCAT

I will attach some Sagarin ratings to show how the Sunbelt and new WAC/soon-to-be-WAC teams compare as of right now.

I know these ratings are just that, only ratings. But I think it shows that the new WAC will be FAR from "clearly the worst FBS conference" that is getting thrown around a lot. I'm not attaching these ratings in an attempt to flame anything, but as pre-emptive strike against any uninformed responses that will probably be along the lines of "Because the new WAC will be sooo weak, duh."

Sagarin Ratings

Hawai'i - #80 > Troy - #81

Idaho - #86 > MTSU - #104

San Jose St. - #106 > Arkansas State - #116

La Tech - #109 > Florida Int'l - #120

Montana - #117 > Florida Atl - #125

Texas St. - #130 > Louisiana - #137

Utah St. - #133 > WKU - #144

New Mexico St. - #163 < ULM - #149

UT - San Antonio - No football team at this time < UNT - #151

Sagarin ELO-Chess comparison

Hawai'i 80

Troy 82

San Jose State 88

Idaho 105

MTSU 113

Texas State 116

Tech 117

Montana 126

FAU 127

ULL 129

Ark St 130

FIU 137

Utah St 141

UNT 142

WKU 143

ULM 147

NMSU 162

My thing is what will those ratings look like once BSU, FSU, and Nevada are permanently gone? Other than Utah State and Hawaii if they turn things around....no team will really be worth a dang. Ok I don't mind being in a conference with LT and NMSU but they aren't world beaters by any stretch of the imagination. I don't think anybody has issue with being the same conference as TSU/UTSA...but we all acknowledge that you guys are touting the WAC because that's the only conference that will talk to you. I for one have always been a huge proponent of the WAC but that was because BSU, FSU and Nevada were in there and top that with Hawaii, I thought it was a very decent conference and way better than the SBC. But with the new WAC coming, I don't forsee those ratings increasing or even staying afloat. What's funny is the WAC can only turn to FCS schools and let us be real here...that will not improve the conference profile or even be the same as it is now.

Edited October 2, 2010 by Green Mean

[TxStBobcat]

My thing is what will those ratings look like once BSU, FSU, and Nevada are permanently gone? Other than Utah State and Hawaii if they turn things around....no team will really be worth a dang. Ok I don't mind being in a conference with LT and NMSU but they aren't world beaters by any stretch of the imagination. I don't think anybody has issue with being the same conference as TSU/UTSA...but we all acknowledge that you guys are touting the WAC because that's the only conference that will talk to you. I for one have always been a huge proponent of the WAC but that was because BSU, FSU and Nevada were in there and top that with Hawaii, I thought it was a very decent conference and way better than the SBC. But with the new WAC coming, I don't forsee those ratings increasing or even staying afloat. What's funny is the WAC can only turn to FCS schools and let us be real here...that will not improve the conference profile or even be the same as it is now.

Yeah that's a good point about the best WAC schools leaving.

So, if the WAC schools get moved down a notch, instead of being mostly above the Belt, it would probably be a more even mixing of Belt/WAC teams.

So they'd be about even and ratings would depend on which conference does best in OOC. So again, the argument that the WAC will become "clearly the worst conference in FBS" goes out the window again.

I guess I just don't understand why UNT wouldn't want a pair of in-state conference rivals. I am not super familiar with UNT rivalries, but are Ark State and Troy big games for you guys? Plus, (and this is only my personal opinion), the WAC has a better "brand name" than the Sunbelt. Could maybe get an increasingly interested fanbase in Denton, what with the new stadium and all.

I agree with you, there's no doubt that the WAC is the only team interested in taking FCS upstarts right now. The Belt's past history has shown it's interest in FCS upstarts as well, it just finds it's membership to be at a good number of teams right now.

Edited October 2, 2010 by TxStBobcat

[TheColonyEagle]

The Belt's past history has shown it's interest in FCS upstarts as well...

Which is precisely why the Sunbelt can't escape the "image" issue.

The new WAC will have the exact same problem.

Why would UNT want to take 2 steps back?

[Mean Green 93-98]

Utah State, Hawaii, and La Tech have very itchy feet to get out of the WAC. If they didn't have to eat so much crow to do it, La Tech would probably accept an invite to come back to the Belt at this point. While the Belt is not great, it doesn't show all the signs of a sinking ship that the WAC does. I would love to have a rivalry with Texas State-SM once they establish themselves at the 1-A level, but I'm not willing to join the present WAC to do it. UTSA doesn't interest me at all.

[Daddy Dumpsalot]

Would not want to kick out Monroe even if La Tech is clearly an upgrade. ULM joined in football when we needed a team after La Tech bailed while the conference was forming. Then they moved the rest of their teams over when we needed them for all sports even though they have more of a Southland budged and were faced with higher costs in the Belt.

Yeah this makes a lot of sense; "We'll show you La Tech, even though you're better all around and better for the Sunbelt....we remember".

[Daddy Dumpsalot]

My thing is what will those ratings look like once BSU, FSU, and Nevada are permanently gone? Other than Utah State and Hawaii if they turn things around....no team will really be worth a dang. Ok I don't mind being in a conference with LT and NMSU but they aren't world beaters by any stretch of the imagination. I don't think anybody has issue with being the same conference as TSU/UTSA...but we all acknowledge that you guys are touting the WAC because that's the only conference that will talk to you. I for one have always been a huge proponent of the WAC but that was because BSU, FSU and Nevada were in there and top that with Hawaii, I thought it was a very decent conference and way better than the SBC. But with the new WAC coming, I don't forsee those ratings increasing or even staying afloat. What's funny is the WAC can only turn to FCS schools and let us be real here...that will not improve the conference profile or even be the same as it is now.

Great post. Couldn't agree more.

It's funny that the WAC is doing the same thing that the belt has done for the past few years.