This Is What I'm Talking About

CMJ · September 22, 2010

I'm lazy to research but I am sure even Slinker had a higher winning percentage that makes Dodges winning percentage look like a joke.

Definitely...she had around a .450 in 19 years of service I believe.

Marty · September 22, 2010

I prefer just Brad. I think he's earned the right to run things on his own. He is someone who has been successful with VERY LIMITED RESOURCES.

If he could win at Bacone College, he can win anywhere.

PlummMeanGreen · September 22, 2010

Euless Eagle, you make some valid points. I have been a Dodge supporter, and I am not going to hide. BUT it has become very hard to do that since the Army game. I have bounced back and forth, and CMJ could well ask me what is my threshold as well.

But, to answer the topic of this thread, we need a Div. 1 coach with Div 1 experience with a Div 1 staff. Sorry Silver, great coach and a great suggestion, but we have got to go for experience.

ee, you and I have agreed most always, but I'm with Green Dozer on this one.

Darn It! Life Is Just Not Fair! I don't like the fact that TDodge (who I was one of many, many, many on this board who thought him with potential to do it at UNT), and the timing of his hiring has really given the guy (best I can count) only 2 Spring/Winter recruiting years (of which this includes the early signing period); but the "W's have yet to arrive. How many other 1'st year coaches make big splashes expecially in leagues like the SBC? AND.......TDodge could still pull this sucker out but time is drawing nigh where it likely might not happen BUT IF IT DOES...many of us will have that Sylvestor the Cat look on our faces but will still congratulate the coach and his staff for a miracle of very big proportion and job well done.

We have a new era on our Mean Green horizon that will for the first time in my lifetime give us a chance to really compete with a (hopeful) Big Time Coach coupled with a Big Time Stadium--a first for all of us in fact. If we were to have another year at Fouts Field then maybe allow Coach Dodge even a 5 win season but that will not be the case.

Since we of GMG.com don't have a very good record of HFC selecting at UNT, I will defer to our non-stop AD Rick V. IMHO, Rick V will be smart enough to consult with our interim UNT prez' who is very pro athletics and Chuck Neinas for what will turn into a short list of candidates. Meanwhile, we will all speculate on GMG.com and that is probably why so damn many of us are hooked on this forum because we want to know what others are saying or thinking--and from all eras, too--not just the Hayden Fry era. :rolleyes:

Like GrayEagle has posted "this time we go for the name coach" and I wholeheartedly concur with that since when I was a student at UNT that is what we actually did in December of 1972. And dammit--for the life of me, I can't get that era and what I witnessed firsthand out of my mind no matter how hard I try and no matter how some on this board have tried to downplay the success, revise its history and barometer-setting of that era; an era of which whose obvious success was recognized more outside Denton than inside Denton because look what we got when Fry left for the Big 10? In that era's place were the setting of lower goals and most times lower goals are much easier to reach; hence our stay in the Bottom 25 and Bottom 10 polls too many times the last 10 or so years.

GMG!

Edited September 22, 2010 by PlummMeanGreen

eulesseagle · September 23, 2010

PMG, good points....but....I was one of the last hold outs on Coach Dickey too. You know I just believe that Coach Dodge is a good coach that came into a very bad situation and endured a plethora of tribulations since arriving. IHMO, I just believe that give the man two years (his fifth year +1) because even I can not believe he could win six or seven games with what is left. This same talk was going around when Coach Dickey won the "Miricle in Las Cruces" game which was the imputus to all the SBC titles. We will see what happens for the rest of this year. RV has the final say.

I believe CMJ may want to reconsider keeping the coaching staff if his wish comes true. I think Canales is excellent along with DeLoach and the new NFL lineman volunteer. That, to me would make a great core of NFL and major college experience and keep some sort of continuity with familiarity to the program / players.

greenminer · September 23, 2010

Remember when we were winning Belt titles and people were still bitching about the mess behind the scenes, and the draws on third-and-long? Excuses will never go away, for either side of the argument. There comes a time when you have to move on; wipe the slate clean.

I am ready to read about more excuses and nit-picks, but on the heels of win streaks and bowl games...and student-athletes passing their tests.

PlummMeanGreen · September 23, 2010

Remember when we were winning Belt titles and people were still bitching about the mess behind the scenes, and the draws on third-and-long? Excuses will never go away, for either side of the argument. There comes a time when you have to move on; wipe the slate clean.

I am ready to read about more excuses and nit-picks, but on the heels of win streaks and bowl games...and student-athletes passing their tests.

:thumbsup:

And how about paraphrasing from the Speilberg movie Jaws with a bit of word variation.....

We're Going To Need A Bigger Stadium. :shocking: :scared:

...but I know we will all be glad with what we are getting now at our new stadium's Grand Opening, too.

ADLER · September 23, 2010

Hey, Brad... I think we might just be able to make your dream come true.

I'd like to see it happen.

CMJ · September 23, 2010

I believe CMJ may want to reconsider keeping the coaching staff if his wish comes true. I think Canales is excellent along with DeLoach and the new NFL lineman volunteer. That, to me would make a great core of NFL and major college experience and keep some sort of continuity with familiarity to the program / players.

That has to be up to the new coach. I'd let whoever is hired bring in his own guys - you have to let him do that (at least in Year 1), don't ya?

DeepGreen · September 23, 2010

That has to be up to the new coach. I'd let whoever is hired bring in his own guys - you have to let him do that (at least in Year 1), don't ya?

The new coach can do that. However, Dodge turned loose(I got it right!) of several, seasoned D1A coaches when he came on board. And replaced them with........well, you know the rest of the story.

TheColonyEagle · September 23, 2010

So what if you get a new coach next year....and what if all of Coach Dodge's players are healthy including the QB's and the new coach wins seven or eight games. Do you contribute the success to Coach Dodge for having the talent here or the new coach for wining?

I give credit to the new coach for winning.

Dodge is not a recruiting coordinator. He's a head coach. He is judged on wins. I was one that was really pulling for Dodge at the start of the season. I like him. I think he's represents the school well. But in my opinion, two big things hurt him.

He held on to his HS assistants too long and he still can't get his team prepared to play.

Second play vs Clemson, 60 yd TD run. First play vs Rice, 70 yd TD pass. First series vs Army, 3 and out, shank a punt, short field and Army goes down and has a 7-0 lead 4 minutes in.

Same story over and over.

Injuries or no injuries, we get ourselves out of the game before injuries have a chance to happen.

The team looks unprepared at the opening kickoff every game.

You have to put that on the coach.

Green Nightmare · September 23, 2010

We do know that Coach Dodge can recruit. We do know that Coach Dodge has had all sorts of intangible problems on and off the field.......Like I said before, if I were RV I would bring back Coach Dodge for another season and let him play with a FULL DECK for at least two years instead of a half a deck which he has been playing with since his arrival.

Agree or not that is the way I feel about ... and ... evidently I am in the minority opinion.

These 2 fallacies have to stop.

I bought into the recruiting hype but I look around and what does the "cupboard" hold? Not very much outside of Dunbar. I mean this as no knock on the kids on this team, busting their @ss for my alma mater. They are representing this University the best they can an I support them every chance i get. I just don't see the majority of this team as Mid Major D1 talent, on the field. maybe its all coaching.

How many WR's have we recruited and the best one we had was a walk-on for DD.

Also as Deep alluded too. He burned a whole year with his arrogance in bringing in his HS staff with him. I really do like TD as a man, but his mistakes have caught up with him,recruiting and coaching both.

Edited September 23, 2010 by Green Nightmare

UNT90 · September 23, 2010

These 2 fallacies have to stop.

I bought into the recruiting hype but I look around and what does the "cupboard" hold? Not very much outside of Dunbar. I mean this as no knock on the kids on this team, busting their @ss for my alma mater. They are representing this University the best they can an I support them every chance i get. I just don't see the majority of this team as Mid Major D1 talent, on the field. maybe its all coaching.

How many WR's have we recruited and the best one we had was a walk-on for DD.

Also as Deep alluded too. He burned a whole year with his arrogance in bringing in his HS staff with him. I really do like TD as a man, but his mistakes have caught up with him,recruiting and coaching both.

Would have been nice to land one, that's right, one, 4 star recruit in the Dodge era. Sadly, that hasn't happened.

The recruiting myth is one of the biggest fallacies being propogated by some on this board.

EEagle, which is it? FIrst, you say Dodge has upped recruiting, then you say that he has only had 2 years and no one is healthy? BS. BS. BS.