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When I come to the game, I have fun, period. It's exciting when we win, but that is not the main thing in terms of my support and attitude about the program. I don't think about firing the coach based upon a win-loss percentage. It truly never enters my mind. I think about how the young men (STUDENT ATHLETES) on the field are competing. I think about how the coach is representing the university. DODGE is a class-act all the way around...a coach who truly wants the players to be students and to succeed in life. Dodge represents us well in the community and around the state. Everywhere he goes, he is liked and respected. Parents know their kids are in good hands with Dodge. Does it mean that winning is not important? No, it just means that it is not MOST important. I was never more proud than I was at the last home game. I saw more school spirit and pride than I have ever seen at UNT, and I left knowing that the program and school are on the right path. We could do a lot worse than Dodge and RV.

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When I come to the game, I have fun, period. It's exciting when we win, but that is not the main thing in terms of my support and attitude about the program. I don't think about firing the coach based upon a win-loss percentage. It truly never enters my mind. I think about how the young men (STUDENT ATHLETES) on the field are competing. I think about how the coach is representing the university. DODGE is a class-act all the way around...a coach who truly wants the players to be students and to succeed in life. Dodge represents us well in the community and around the state. Everywhere he goes, he is liked and respected. Parents know their kids are in good hands with Dodge. Does it mean that winning is not important? No, it just means that it is not MOST important. I was never more proud than I was at the last home game. I saw more school spirit pride than I have ever seen at UNT, and I left knowing that the program and school are on the right path. We could do a lot worse than Dodge and RV.

Winning is the main thing, but not the only thing.

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rcade Veteran

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I don't think about firing the coach based upon a win-loss percentage.

Which explains why you are one of the last people on the Dodge bandwagon.

This is Dodge's fourth year. Winning is the only thing that matters. If he can't do that, he needs to go.

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yyz28 Enthusiast

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Winning isn't the only thing - but in the end, what other measure do you measure a football head coach by? I'm not prepared to fire the coach midseason, despite the growing lynch mob. But somewhere between FIRE HIM NOW and KEEP HIM NO MATTER HIS RECORD a rational course of action lies.

I don't take very seriously angry calls for blood the night of a tough loss.

McKinneyMiner Newbie

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I actually agree with this in the big picture...

My enjoyment of going to the games will not be diminished in the least, but I also understand that changes are on the way and next year will look and feel totally different than this year...

But, if you don't win in college football your employment status tends to change...

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CaribbeanGreen Mentor

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When I come to the game, I have fun, period. It's exciting when we win, but that is not the main thing in terms of my support and attitude about the program. I don't think about firing the coach based upon a win-loss percentage. It truly never enters my mind. I think about how the young men (STUDENT ATHLETES) on the field are competing. I think about how the coach is representing the university. DODGE is a class-act all the way around...a coach who truly wants the players to be students and to succeed in life. Dodge represents us well in the community and around the state. Everywhere he goes, he is liked and respected. Parents know their kids are in good hands with Dodge. Does it mean that winning is not important? No, it just means that it is not MOST important. I was never more proud than I was at the last home game. I saw more school spirit and pride than I have ever seen at UNT, and I left knowing that the program and school are on the right path. We could do a lot worse than Dodge and RV.

I'll be gentle, because i have a feeling you're going to get it pretty badly on this one, but..... we've had more than our share of off the field issues, scandal, and embarrassment with this staff. Coaches on the verge of fighting fans, curious transfers and players leaving the program, drug scandals with national coverage, allegations of racism (no matter how ridiculous), issues with player theft, questions of nepotism as the redshirt coaches' son got the majority of snaps in practice, revoking offered scholarships promised by the previous staff (an ethical embarrassment), and a staff less accessible to its fan base (GMG Bowl, anyone?). That's the tip of the proverbial iceberg, even.... I won't even go into the questionable timing and handling of redshirt burning.

Is this appreciably worse than most programs? Eh, probably not... debatable, for sure... but the point is, this crap about Dodge being a paragon of virtue and such an untouchable "class act" is weak at best."Everywhere he goes, he is liked and respected"... really?!? I wonder if that flies on the campus of Abilene Cooper High School. Hell, we could get Pastor Pete to coach this thing, ya know... he'd be virtuous. Probably couldn't even do any worse.

As for the school spirit and pride, how are you quantifying this?!? And even if that's the case, I'd say it's pretty clearly in SPITE of the joke of a football program, wouldn't you?? We actually have TAILGATING now. We have exciting new facilities, a fun gameday atmosphere. I'd say that has a hell of a lot more to do with any surge in football related spirit than the worst coach in FBS football does.

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McKinneyMiner Newbie

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I'd say that has a hell of a lot more to do with any surge in football related spirit than the worst coach in FBS football does.

Mike Locksley is the worst coach in FBS football... Would you trade TD for him...?? I wouldn't...

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We have exciting new facilities, a fun gameday atmosphere. I'd say that has a hell of a lot more to do with any surge in football related spirit than the worst coach in FBS football does.

Agree with the whole post but especially with this part. Where else would Dodge have lasted this long with this record? And again, he has only truly succeeded at ONE school: SLC.

McKinneyMiner Newbie

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I'm trying to remember....have they added a "Had A Good Time" place on standings now?

While your at it, ask SMU if rebuilding a program from the ashes, hiring a high profile coach, winning a bowl game and being a favorite to possibly win their conference is translating into "Game Day Experience"...

When I go to a game I want to have fun... I want my team to win, but I don't want to feel like one of 316 fans that witnessed it...

If all I cared about was standings I would just watch the big BCS schools play on t.v. and check to see to see if UNT won on the Internet Saturday night or Sunday morning...

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CaribbeanGreen Mentor

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While your at it, ask SMU if rebuilding a program from the ashes, hiring a high profile coach, winning a bowl game and being a favorite to possibly win their conference is translating into "Game Day Experience"...

When I go to a game I want to have fun... I want my team to win, but I don't want to feel like one of 316 fans that witnessed it...

If all I cared about was standings I would just watch the big BCS schools play on t.v. and check to see to see if UNT won on the Internet Saturday night or Sunday morning...

So F it then... let's just all go to Six Flags on Saturday!

SUMG Grand Master

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Mike Locksley is the worst coach in FBS football... Would you trade TD for him...?? I wouldn't...

Good point. No way would I trade the 119th best coach in FBS for the 120th best coach in FBS.

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and that's why Dodge is great high school coach.

If winning isn't a priority, he's in the wrong line of work.

"The Dodge era is the worst in school history, but that's ok because I get a warm fuzzy feeling about student athletes."

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McKinneyMiner Newbie

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His record in the last 3+ year is worse than 5-34?

Locksley is a mere 1-14 in parts of two seasons... The lone win being against Colorado St. (this year's version of the Bad News Bears) He is also under investigation for assault on one of his own coaches and a public altercation with a member of the student media which is supposedly being covered up by the university and local print media...

I think the 72-0 loss to Oregon earlier this season was the highlight... Down 59-0 at half and all...

And to think he took over a program that was believed to be IMPROVING and on the rise...

Todd Dodge may be the 119th worst coach in FBS, but there is a BIG step down to 120...

Green Mean Enthusiast

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When I come to the game, I have fun, period. It's exciting when we win, but that is not the main thing in terms of my support and attitude about the program. I don't think about firing the coach based upon a win-loss percentage. It truly never enters my mind. I think about how the young men (STUDENT ATHLETES) on the field are competing. I think about how the coach is representing the university. DODGE is a class-act all the way around...a coach who truly wants the players to be students and to succeed in life. Dodge represents us well in the community and around the state. Everywhere he goes, he is liked and respected. Parents know their kids are in good hands with Dodge. Does it mean that winning is not important? No, it just means that it is not MOST important. I was never more proud than I was at the last home game. I saw more school spirit and pride than I have ever seen at UNT, and I left knowing that the program and school are on the right path. We could do a lot worse than Dodge and RV.

Your points aren't really strong. I don't think anybody is saying they don't enjoy a good time when they are out tailgating etc. And yes it is all about winning. If it wasn't then this would be a girls 5 year old YMCA soccer league where they don't keep score because it doesn't matter. This country has a heavy image on a university based on athletics success. We know the affects good athletics has on a program, donations etc. So yes winning is everything.

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I won't say that winning is everything. I do want, and do, have a good time pregame. The problem is, I leave so depressed after the game that I have a tendency to forget that I had a good time. After the beat down of the last few years, I am actually not looking forward to attending games. If something can interfere with my ability to have a good time, then it must be important.

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I won't say that winning is everything. I do want, and do, have a good time pregame. The problem is, I leave so depressed after the game that I have a tendency to forget that I had a good time. After the beat down of the last few years, I am actually not looking forward to attending games. If something can interfere with my ability to have a good time, then it must be important.

He's not talking about pregame and tailgating. The atmosphere INSIDE the stadium has improved incredibly, despite the fact we're not winning. The games are fun.

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RV deserves tons of credit for making Game Day a lot of fun. Thanks Rick.

That being said....winning matters. As of right now...I have very little desire to go to our next home game. I will go. But I'm not fired up about it....and I really don't see anything that will get me fired up. I'll be there....but I'll be on auto-pilot...pretty much just going through the motions.

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He's not talking about pregame and tailgating. The atmosphere INSIDE the stadium has improved incredibly, despite the fact we're not winning. The games are fun.

Yeah, during the first game of the season before things start to go down hill are great. When we start to have no one at the the games because it is not fun to lose all the time, it won't be so fun. UT and Florida expect to win and are disappointed when they don't. We expect to lose and get what we expect. Does that mean that I should walk away happy?

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The pee wee team I help coach needs more fans like you. The Mean Green do not.

Seriously..... you are a pee wee coach's dream parent.

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