Key Play Of The Game.........gosh I Hate That Rule

[calvin]

We score right at the end of the half and i thought for sure we would be going in at 14-7 and getting the ball back to start the third. But we cross arms and get a stupid 15 yard penalty for it. He crossed his arms, big effin deal. Man college football wears me out sometimes with this rule. Now we give them the ball inside our 50 and the momentum swings back their way after it takes them no time to score to make it 21-7. That call, to me, was the biggest play of the game. The game is totally different if it is 14-7 at half, with us going in with the momentum.

[GrayEagle]

I couldn't agree with you more. I bitched the rest of the game about that game changer. The thing that really chaps me is that the act could barely be seen. On one or two of Clemson's touchdowns most of the team went into the end zone to celebrate and nothing is called in the way of excessive celebration.

[CMJ]

I think it was considered more of a taunting of the fans because he sort of made the motion towards them - which to be fair I have seen called elsewhere before.

[Mean Green 93-98]

I think it was considered more of a taunting of the fans because he sort of made the motion towards them - which to be fair I have seen called elsewhere before.

That might be true if he made it toward the Clemson fans, but everyone agreed that he made it toward the UNT contingent.

[Green Mean]

I don't know if the outcome would have been any different but it was a big penalty. It was a terrible call and even though Danny Kannell was a douche commentator he said they should have acted nonchalantly and acted as if it was no big deal.

[Green P1]

They could throw that flag on every down if they felt like it. Pure stupidity.

[UNTflyer]

NCAA Football Rule 9-2, Article 1(a)(1)(d) prohibits "Any delayed, excessive, prolonged or choreographed act by which a player (or players) attempts to focus attention upon himself (or themselves)"

I didn't see this.

[NT80]

We've been burned by this rule before. Just give the ball back to the ref, go to the bench, then do all that junk.

[Mean Green 93-98]

I think it was considered more of a taunting of the fans because he sort of made the motion towards them - which to be fair I have seen called elsewhere before.

Plus, isn't taunting a different penalty from excessive celebration?

[untcampbell]

So what is the difference when a defensive lineman does same, actually much more, after a sack?

Why isn't celebration called then?

GMG

[Texas Stranger]

Plus, isn't taunting a different penalty from excessive celebration?

Yes and no, just 2 variations of Unsportsmanlike Conduct. The crossed-arms "representing" bit has been against the rules for a long time at all levels of play. It also went out of style about 10 years ago.

[UNT90]

Know where you are at. Know who you are playing. Know that you are not going to get any calls.

Also, act like you have been there before.

[Huff]

I did not have a problem with the call. I had a problem with the behavior of the player. Apparently Coach Dodge felt the same way because he was quoted in the Denton newspaper as having said "It is something we worked on all through the off season. When you score, act like you have been there before and hand the ball to the official. Don't be selfish and try to bring glory to yourself". Go down to the bench and celebrate with your teammates.

[KingDL1]

I did not have a problem with the call. I had a problem with the behavior of the player. Apparently Coach Dodge felt the same way because he was quoted in the Denton newspaper as having said "It is something we worked on all through the off season. When you score, act like you have been there before and hand the ball to the official. Don't be selfish and try to bring glory to yourself". Go down to the bench and celebrate with your teammates.

I don't like the rule but we know it exists, and we need to play like we have been there before. I think it was a good time to have this penalty and the result it had. I bet the coaches will use this example to really hammer it home.

[THOR]

remember...north texas has NEVER been in the end zone in south carolina before, so he had to celebrate! it really was the first time...

[ParksAndRecRick]

That was one terrible and huge call!

[greeneagle69]

That was one terrible and huge call!

I agree this was a crappy "lets help the home team when we get the chance" kind of call. Although it may have been by the book "Legal", it was a reeeeeal reach. Had it NOT been called, I dont think there was one Clemson fan out of 75000 that would have noticed or cared. I would like to call this ref out and see if he has any integrity concerning this matter. NOW that he has established HIS standard for this infraction....will he continue to call it every chance he can 'Legally" use it !!! I dont think so !!!!

[Eagle1855]

Changed the entire game. Could have been 14-7 going into half, with us getting ball to start the second... instead, momentum shifted, blah blah blah.

Oh well. I didn't expect to win the game, but I saw a lot of things that give me hope for the season. Seeing our guys sustain long drives and control the clock made my NT pants go crazy.

[chrisfisher]

I think it was considered more of a taunting of the fans because he sort of made the motion towards them - which to be fair I have seen called elsewhere before.

I saw him give a a salute (military style) to the fans. Is that excessive celebration by NCAA rules?!?

[TheTastyGreek]

It was payback because our defense bitchjacked his zebra buddy at the start of the game.

[Harry]

That referee really took a major blow to his head! I felt bad for him.

[gruu]

That referee really took a major blow to his head! I felt bad for him.

What about the players that kneel and pretend to pray after a score? I haven't seen that one called.

[wardly]

I agree this was a crappy "lets help the home team when we get the chance" kind of call. Although it may have been by the book "Legal", it was a reeeeeal reach. Had it NOT been called, I dont think there was one Clemson fan out of 75000 that would have noticed or cared. I would like to call this ref out and see if he has any integrity concerning this matter. NOW that he has established HIS standard for this infraction....will he continue to call it every chance he can 'Legally" use it !!! I dont think so !!!!

the ref doesn't make the rules, he enforces them. our player was wrong, and deserved the call. it was a bush league grandstand from a player who showed no class and acted as if he had never see the end zone before. his action was a selfish play, which cost us a td. sit him down for a game and maybe he will grow up.

[Ibleedgreen]

"the ref doesn't make the rules, he enforces them. our player was wrong, and deserved the call. it was a bush league grandstand from a player who showed no class and acted as if he had never see the end zone before. his action was a selfish play, which cost us a td. sit him down for a game and maybe he will grow up."

I strongly disagree. Our player did nothing wrong.

[Mean Green 93-98]

the ref doesn't make the rules, he enforces them. our player was wrong, and deserved the call. it was a bush league grandstand from a player who showed no class and acted as if he had never see the end zone before. his action was a selfish play, which cost us a td. sit him down for a game and maybe he will grow up.

Give me a break. The Clemson players celebrated after TDs, as did every red-blooded American who scored a TD in college football. It was UNT's first TD of the season, against a tough opponent, on a big stage, and a 19-year-old kid scores a TD--to say his celebration afterward showed "no class" is way out of line on your part. Looking back, do I wish he hadn't? Sure. But your reflections on his character are way out of line.