Thomas Gone

GrandGreen · February 18, 2010

Thomas reported no longer with team. May hurt this year, but another ship for next year is great.

Edited February 18, 2010 by GrandGreen

Green P1 · February 18, 2010

Another JJ failure. Why don't we hold this guy's feet to the fire?

chrisfisher · February 18, 2010

I am very surprised about this. There must be more to the story. Thomas started the season playing very well, but he really struggled, especially with his shot, as the season wore on. I figured though that he'd eventually get it together and make an great contribution next season. I wish him the best. I saw an interview with him and he seemed like a nice guy.

UNTflyer · February 18, 2010

I hope the dog is OK....

calvin · February 18, 2010

Something must have went on that we dont know about. I wonder if he got in some trouble? He was a long way away from home, he is from NY so that might have played a role in it. Also i noticed that he didnt play against Denver and his body language was of a person that wasnt very happy. Best of luck to him.

Quoner · February 18, 2010

I hope the dog is OK....

Ditto. Hope he made it on time.

TheTastyGreek · February 18, 2010

This is unfortunate in that we're losing a talented guy and I wish that a role existed that he was satisfied with. It seemed from the beginning that either he or Shorter were going to find themselves an odd man out. At the start of the year, it was Shorter riding the bench and struggling to get minutes. Since the semester started, though, the roles reversed and Thomas hasn't even been getting much in the way of scraps. I'm sad that it didn't work out for him here, and I hope that wherever he ends up, he gets to show off his talents and get some playing time.

But his departure does allow JJ to ease the pain of next year's graduations a little bit.

Dear J'Mison-

How is the weather in Los Angeles? Not sure if you heard, but I recently had a player decide to transfer. It's a tough choice for a young man to make, but sometimes it's the best possible choice for everyone involved.

How is your family? I'm sure you must miss them when you're so far away in California... When you write back, be sure and send a letter to them, too.

Best wishes-

Johnny Jones

untgeorge · February 18, 2010

Something must have went on that we dont know about. I wonder if he got in some trouble? He was a long way away from home, he is from NY so that might have played a role in it. Also i noticed that he didnt play against Denver and his body language was of a person that wasnt very happy. Best of luck to him.

The explanation that he wants to play nearer home would be reasonable for a transfer at the end of a school year. It can't be the complete explanation for leaving the team now.

BleedGreen · February 18, 2010

The explanation that he wants to play nearer home would be reasonable for a transfer at the end of a school year. It can't be the complete explanation for leaving the team now.

I agree. There's definitely more to it. To leave the time with 3-7 games remaining is a definite red flag.

Our depth is majorly hurt. I am thinking move Alzee to the back-up 2, Mangrum to the back up 3, and see if Matlock can spell Josh for 4-7 minutes per game.

FirefightnRick · February 19, 2010

I agree. There's definitely more to it. To leave the time with 3-7 games remaining is a definite red flag.

Our depth is majorly hurt. I am thinking move Alzee to the back-up 2, Mangrum to the back up 3, and see if Matlock can spell Josh for 4-7 minutes per game.

Are there any updates on this? We're about to go into battle at the most critical time of the season in which depth and more depth can and will be the difference most times. I can't fathom how in hell the coaching staff can't talk someone into staying for at least another two to three weeks? This team has a legitimate chance to win a conference championship and a trip to the NCAA tourney. How many times in life do you get to be in such a position?

Rick

untbowler · February 19, 2010

Are there any updates on this? We're about to go into battle at the most critical time of the season in which depth and more depth can and will be the difference most times. I can't fathom how in hell the coaching staff can't talk someone into staying for at least another two to three weeks? This team has a legitimate chance to win a conference championship and a trip to the NCAA tourney. How many times in life do you get to be in such a position?

Rick

I am just flinging poo, but could it be he felt entitled to be the started and when his minutes dwindled, he would rather take his ball home rather than be a good teammate, 6th Man?

Very disappointing, hope there is something else to the story and not just selfishness.

FirefightnRick · February 19, 2010

I am just flinging poo, but could it be he felt entitled to be the started and when his minutes dwindled, he would rather take his ball home rather than be a good teammate, 6th Man?
Very disappointing, hope there is something else to the story and not just selfishness.

Could be, but I can't help but think someone on this coaching staff not having the ability to talk some sense into him if that indeed were the case?

Rick

KRAM1 · February 19, 2010

Could be, but I can't help but think someone on this coaching staff not having the ability to talk some sense into him if that indeed were the case?

Rick

It is often harder than one might think to "talk sense" to a kid when the kid in question may just not want to listen. It might take him awhile to figure out if he made a good or bad choice, but it does seem like something a bit more than "he wanted to play closer to home" is up with a mid-season departure. Too bad...you are correct, depth at this time of the season can be a "game changer".

greenminer · February 19, 2010

Might I suggest that being a student athlete is tiring, and if you're heart isn't into it than it's probably best for everyone to part ways.

Personally, I don't think that is out of the question here, regardless of the point of the season you're in.

calvin · February 19, 2010

This is just another chance for some people to slam the coaching staff. I dont get it.

Maybe he had a sick family member or something? I am pretty sure that the staff did all it could.

TheTastyGreek · February 19, 2010

This is just another chance for some people to slam the coaching staff. I dont get it.

Maybe he had a sick family member or something? I am pretty sure that the staff did all it could.

Bolded for emphasis, and I'd add a /would.

Looking at how JJ handled the Sturns situation once upon a time... Kicking him off the team but showing the care and patience that eventually allowed Sturns to return, then keeping him around through an eventual transfer for more playing time... I'm inclined to give this staff credit for knowing how to handle these sorts of situations.

Not just Sturns, but the deal last year where Collin Dennis seemed to be leaving the team, got suspended, but was eventually a crucial role player in our end of season run and tournament games.

Either they tried to keep Thomas around and he wasn't interested/willing... Or they didn't try, in which case I'll give them credit for having their reasons.

Whatever the situation, I'm sorry to see him go and that he didn't get to fulfill his fantastic potential on this team. Hope it works out for him.

FirefightnRick · February 19, 2010

This is just another chance for some people to slam the coaching staff. I dont get it.

Maybe he had a sick family member or something? I am pretty sure that the staff did all it could.

And as a fan I've got the right to ask. But your right. You don't get it, just like a lot of things you've proven this week you don't get. You argue about the quality of past teams you knew nothing about, are proven wrong, then continue to question about others without doing your own research, which is why you were proven wrong in the first place.

So right on, you don't get it!

Rick

Edited February 19, 2010 by FirefightnRick

untjim1995 · February 20, 2010

And as a fan I've got the right to ask. But your right. You don't get it, just like a lot of things you've proven this week you don't get. You argue about the quality of past teams you knew nothing about, are proven wrong, then continue to question about others without doing your own research, which is why you were proven wrong in the first place.

So right on, you don't get it!

It seems to me that what JJ has done here in building this program up from the ashes will go down as one of the greatest successes in our athletic history. He built this thing up to a place where we can compete for post-season berths. This is simply amazing when you figure in that what he took over from Trilli. This is very much the equivalent of what a new football coach would be taking over here at UNT if this next year is another 2 win or less season for Dodge, except what JJ faced was MUCH harder because the SBC is actually a good basketball conference, unlike in football where it is usually the worst or next-to-worse FBS league. The SBC of the last 10 years has seen a Sweet 16 team, multiple bids in the NCAA Tournament, and very high profile wins in OOC. The fact that we have won the conference's berth once, have now won 20 or more games for a few years in a row, and the area college basketball teams are nowhere near as good as us would usually point to the fact that JJ is not only doing a good job, but he probably won't be here when the next opening occurs at a better program.

I read Calvin's post about the history of previous teams in UNT history and what he was pointing out was, in fact, dead-on about where we are as a program. If he missed on West Texas State being in the MVC back in the 70s, his point still remains the same. This is as close as we have had to a golden era of basketball at UNT. Everyone wants to be better, including JJ, but the progress that has been made is impressive since he took over a program that was being outcoached by your basic YMCA volunteer.

FFR, you might be the best fan of all-time here at UNT, but making a post like you did above to calvin, who I don't know at all, is really beneath you. As a matter of fact, my respect for your views on college basketball has dropped immensely, to the point where I think the football board is probably a better place for your opinions (and, yes, it is spelled opinion, not oppinion).

Travis · February 20, 2010

This is fun reading all of the speculations.

I would be careful to resolve to criticize people(coaches, admin) without having all the information.

I remember talking to several former football players about how annoying it was that we on this board would be so solid in our conclusions that weren't even close to what actually happened when it comes to players leaving, being benched, and what not.

Edited February 20, 2010 by Travis

untlynchka · February 20, 2010

+1

I dont know about not posting on the basketball board anymore(I know thats just for emphasis), but FFR you used to be like a father figure on this board. I have never seen you be so catty towards one person before. I hope that there is not a personal issue that is upsetting you, and you are taking it out here.

CMJ · February 20, 2010

They said in the pregame that Richard's father is deathly ill. Best of luck to him and the rest of the Thomas clan.

FirefightnRick · February 20, 2010

They said in the pregame that Richard's father is deathly ill. Best of luck to him and the rest of the Thomas clan.

Thank you Courtland for answering my original question and NOT being an ass wipe about it. I appreciate it. That's all I was concerned about. I too wish him the best of luck and hope things get better and he's able to get his career back on track where ever he ends up.

Rick

Edited February 20, 2010 by FirefightnRick

Green P1 · February 20, 2010

Thank you Courtland for answering my original question and NOT being an ass wipe about it. I appreciate it. That's all I was concerned about. I too wish him the best of luck and hope things get better and he's able to get his career back on track where ever he ends up.

Rick

To be fair... your first two posts were more about why in the hell can't this coaching staff keep a kid on the roster, ranther than Thomas's actual situation.

Not trying to pile on.

FirefightnRick · February 20, 2010

To be fair... your first two posts were more about why in the hell can't this coaching staff keep a kid on the roster, ranther than Thomas's actual situation.

Not trying to pile on.

Oh, you can pile on or read into it any way you want. I know what I posted and know what I meant. My second post gives the staff credit in assuming they could do whatever it takes to keep him here.

Could be, but I can't help but think someone on this coaching staff not having the ability to talk some sense into him if that indeed were the case?

As it turns out that wasn't the case at all and it's a life and death situation which no one could possibly help overcome as we can only imagine.

Rick

Edited February 20, 2010 by FirefightnRick

calvin · February 21, 2010

Thank you UntJim for your post. For whatever reason i feel like someone on here as a personal vendetta against me. My whole point this whole time is i dont understand how people could be so critical of JJ when this place has not had a great basketball past. And i pointed that out by putting the records of the prevous 30 seasons before JJ got here and you could see how futile it was. I know i got some facts wrong about teams and their conferences but it still doesnt discount the fact that there has been no consistent winner here and since JJ has got here he has won and graduated players.