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Green Guy Bass · February 7, 2010

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That sounds to me like you're saying racism is behind the tea party movement.

Why even bring it up if you are just making a mere observation that some are racist? Some democrats and other "progressives" are racist too--what's your point?

My point is that because our president is a black guy, a largely white, conservative, and often rural crowd is starting a movement to air their political frustrations. I seriously have a hard time believing that there is not a strong under current of racism at work here. I am not saying it's the parties platform, but to say racism is not an element is laughable.

Edited February 7, 2010 by Green Guy Bass

eulessismore · February 7, 2010

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Not painting you that way, but that is the way the black conservative has ALWAYS been painted by the left, including Mr. Keyes when he did try a Presidential run.

Mr. Keyes and the Tea Party have strikingly similiar fiscal ideas, so while I don't know if he is affiliated, I would bet that he would support this movement whole-heartedly.

Maybe this will help you understand how Alan Keyes feels about the tea party:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5K9QTJtq7w

Look, a black guy actually SPEAKING at a tea party event

still cant figure out how to post a video.

Actually, I like some of his views; probably ones that would hinder his ever getting nominated as President by the GOP (or backed by any Labor Union), such as not allowing corporate or union donations to political campaigns. And I've never understood why passenger rail infrastructure should be neglected for the sake of auto and air travel.

His views against most of the free trade initiative would also weigh against him by the corporate supporters of both major parties, but, just from listening to some of the Tea Partiers being interviewed on NPR Radio, it sounds like some of them are as opposed to big business as big government. I'm not really sure that this movement can be counted on by either party. If it becomes associated with a person, such as the Independent Party with Ross Perot, it would be going down a road that a person with the tremendous public recognition and admiration such as Theodore Roosevelt could not take to presidential victory. It it remains a movement, it could be powerful. Say what you want about Keyes, but the following is from his own words:

Keyes on the Issues

Edited February 8, 2010 by eulessismore

UNTflyer · February 7, 2010

My point is that because our president is a black guy, a largely white, conservative, and often rural crowd is starting a movement to air their political frustrations. I seriously have a hard time believing that there is not a strong under current of racism at work here. I am not saying it's the parties platform, but to say racism is not an element is laughable.

Well then... you're choosing to ignore facts. Nobody but a small fringe minority cares that he's black. This is about socialist policies being pushed by this President. Again, I hope you Democrats keep believing it's about race. I hope the Democrat party continues to ignore the will of the American people. It's going to make election night so much sweeter.

UNTflyer · February 7, 2010

...just from listening to some of the Tea Baggers being interviewed on NPR Radio...

I just love how you guys continue to use homophobic slurs to make fun of an angry American electorate. I find it most indicative of hypocrisy and closeted disdain for people who overwhelmingly support your party..

Mean Green 93-98 · February 7, 2010

My point is that because our president is a black guy, a largely white, conservative, and often rural crowd is starting a movement to air their political frustrations. I seriously have a hard time believing that there is not a strong under current of racism at work here. I am not saying it's the parties platform, but to say racism is not an element is laughable.

Okay, you're shifting back the other way again. You're back to "because he's black." That's the primary reason people disagree with him--because he's black. His being the most radically liberal president ever has nothing to do with why conservative and common-sense people would oppose him.

Protests have taken place under and against every presidency. Because they continue to take place under a black president doesn't mean his blackness is causing the protests anymore than the whiteness of others caused protests.

UNTflyer · February 7, 2010

Black Conservatives Take Lead Role in Tea Party Movement

"This is the nicest angry mob I've ever seen," Marcus said.

Marcus is one of a number of black conservatives who have joined up with, and helped lead, the conservative tea party movement since its inception. Though the movement has attracted criticism for its supposed lack of diversity -- MSNBC host Chris Matthews recently called the groups "monochromatic" and "all white" -- those minority activists who are involved say the movement has little to do with race, and that it is attracting a more diverse crowd every day.

He said the rallies are still "mostly white," but that more blacks are getting involved. He took particular umbrage at Matthews' comment, blasting out a press release that criticized the MSNBC host for "pushing conservative black Americans to the back of the media bus."

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UNTflyer · February 7, 2010

Commercial just ran.

WOW! What a radical anti-abortion rights spot!!! Yeah, I can just feel the controversy brewing! I mean, I can see how you could compare that commercial to a gay dating website commercial designed for its shock value.

EagleD · February 8, 2010

Freedom of Press - The left wing dominates TV, newspaper, magazine, and on-line news outlets. But when Fox started to take viewers away from the ABC/CBS/NBC/MSNBC/CNN networks, the left demanded that something be done to kill the Fox news network.

Care to back that up with some facts? For every Washington Post, I'll give you a Washington Times. There is no left wing bias in the media. That is a tired argument. I've been in the business for over 20 years and I've met WAY more right wingers reporting the news than I have left wingers. Who has DEMANDED Faux News be killed?

Edited February 8, 2010 by EagleD

UNT90 · February 8, 2010

My point is that because our president is a black guy, a largely white, conservative, and often rural crowd is starting a movement to air their political frustrations. I seriously have a hard time believing that there is not a strong under current of racism at work here. I am not saying it's the parties platform, but to say racism is not an element is laughable.

Of course you have a hard time seeing anything but racism, because that is all you want to see. Your political views that you have posted on this board allign with Pres. Obama's. You just can't fathom that anyone could possibly disagree with what you think is right. So, it must be racism, because why else would they disagree?

I respect your political views, even though I pretty much completely disagree with them. Why can't you do the same for the people of the Tea Party without throwing a blanket label on them (which you did)?

UNTflyer · February 8, 2010

Care to back that up with some facts? For every Washington Post, I'll give you a Washington Times. There is no left wing bias in the media. That is a tired argument. I've been in the business for over 20 years and I've met WAY more right wingers reporting the news than I have left wingers. Who has DEMANDED Faux News be killed?

LOL, ok.

www.newsbusters.org

Thousands upon thousands of examples of left-wing bias in the media.

Edited February 8, 2010 by UNTflyer

UNT90 · February 8, 2010

Care to back that up with some facts? For every Washington Post, I'll give you a Washington Times. There is no left wing bias in the media. That is a tired argument. I've been in the business for over 20 years and I've met WAY more right wingers reporting the news than I have left wingers. Who has DEMANDED Faux News be killed?

Interesting. Question. Do you think FOX is a conservative media outlet?

UNT90 · February 8, 2010

My point is that because our president is a black guy, a largely white, conservative, and often rural crowd is starting a movement to air their political frustrations. I seriously have a hard time believing that there is not a strong under current of racism at work here. I am not saying it's the parties platform, but to say racism is not an element is laughable.

The more I read this, the more your personal prejudices become clear. If I'm white, conservative, live on a farm, and disagree with the President, I must be a racist, according to your views.

Dude. Kind of disturbing.

Edited February 8, 2010 by UNT90

EagleD · February 8, 2010

Interesting. Question. Do you think FOX is a conservative media outlet?

Conservative outlet? That depends on your definition of conservative. They have a definite narrative they try to represent. Rather than report the news they sway the information to support that narrative. I know. I've gotten those instructions from Fox management. (Rupert signs my paycheck). My real problem with Fox newschannel is that it's not news. It's a bunch of opinion shows masquerading as news. It should be called Fox opinion channel, not Fox News Channel. Glenn Beck, who used to work for that liberal bastion CNN, does not have news show. He has an opinion show. If you ask me he has a dog and pony show.

EagleD · February 8, 2010

LOL, ok.

www.newsbusters.org

Thousands upon thousands of examples of left-wing bias in the media.

Again, you give me that, I give you this:

Media Matters

And again, who (with any legitimacy) has demanded Faux News be killed?

Edited February 8, 2010 by EagleD

UNT90 · February 8, 2010

Conservative outlet? That depends on your definition of conservative. They have a definite narrative they try to represent. Rather than report the news they sway the information to support that narrative. I know. I've gotten those instructions from Fox management. (Rupert signs my paycheck). My real problem with Fox newschannel is that it's not news. It's a bunch of opinion shows masquerading as news. It should be called Fox opinion channel, not Fox News Channel. Glenn Beck, who used to work for that liberal bastion CNN, does not have news show. He has an opinion show. If you ask me he has a dog and pony show.

Not talking about their talk shows, which are almost all led by conservative hosts. I am talking about the news reporting that they do as a news channel. Do you think that has a conservative slant?

EagleD · February 8, 2010

Not talking about their talk shows, which are almost all led by conservative hosts. I am talking about the news reporting that they do as a news channel. Do you think that has a conservative slant?

Name a show on FAUX News that's not a talk show.

Define Conservative.

UNT90 · February 8, 2010

Name a show on FAUX News that's not a talk show.

Define Conservative.

So, you don't want to answer the question and talk in circles? It's pretty simple. How about Fox and Friends (only when they report on the news of the day), America's Newsroom, Happening now, and America Live, all which run during the day and basically report the news. Do you think there is a slant in their reporting?

This is the last time I will try and get a direct answer, although by calling it FAUX news, I think you have already given it.

eulessismore · February 8, 2010

I just love how you guys continue to use homophobic slurs to make fun of an angry American electorate. I find it most indicative of hypocrisy and closeted disdain for people who overwhelmingly support your party..

I apologize to anyone who I may have offended by using Tea "Bagger" when I actually meant to refer to the Tea "Party". If the term, "Tea Bagger" is a homophobic slur, I just learned that from your response to my post and do appreciate your having brought it to my attention. I personally support the rights of gays to serve in the military without hiding their orientation, and to get married. Certainly the one Republican I supported the most, Barry Goldwater, expressed similar views. Also, I only heard one person from the Tea Party movement expressing anger about corporate issues, so I suppose that may have been just one person's opinion. I suppose that my point was to suggest there may be some diversity of opinions among those attending Tea Party events.

Anyway, GMG.

TheTastyGreek · February 8, 2010

I really, really don't want any part of this conversation.

But "teabagging" is not a homosexual act. Just like wherever my rolling stone papa laid his hat was his home, anyone or anything that serves as a resting place for a nutsac is getting teabagged.

Male, female, coffee mug... It's all teabagging.

Carry on. Terrorist fist jabs for all of you.

Quoner · February 8, 2010

I really, really don't want any part of this conversation.

But "teabagging" is not a homosexual act. Just like wherever my rolling stone papa laid his hat was his home, anyone or anything that serves as a resting place for a nutsac is getting teabagged.

Male, female, coffee mug... It's all teabagging.

Carry on. Terrorist fist jabs for all of you.

Where do the founding fathers land on gorilla masks?

EagleD · February 8, 2010

So, you don't want to answer the question and talk in circles? It's pretty simple. How about Fox and Friends (only when they report on the news of the day), America's Newsroom, Happening now, and America Live, all which run during the day and basically report the news. Do you think there is a slant in their reporting?

This is the last time I will try and get a direct answer, although by calling it FAUX news, I think you have already given it.

The O'Reilly/Stewart interview covers this much better than the two of us could. Go about 15 minutes in to get to the Fox discussion.

Edited out of the broadcast about the friendly friends at "Fox and Friends":

" 'You know Obama has Czars. I googled czar. Did you know that's a Russian word for a Russian leader.' or they'll go through 'These children in 2nd grade are singing the praises of Obama. Did you know they sing the praises of their leader in North Korea?.' And then when the hard news comes on they say, 'You know some people are concerned that they're indoctronating children.' "

UNT90 · February 8, 2010

Apparently you didn't understand that it was a yes or no question, but I'll assume from your quotes that your answer is yes. All that to get to this:

If there is no bias on ABC, NBC, CBS, and CNN, then why did the business people behind FOX see a market for their product? And why has their product not only suceeded, but leads all major news networks in ratings?

Apparently the average TV viewer does not agree with you. But, like I said earlier, we all see things in a way that conveinantly comports with our views of the subject.

meangreenacct · February 8, 2010

Apparently you didn't understand that it was a yes or no question, but I'll assume from your quotes that your answer is yes. All that to get to this:

If there is no bias on ABC, NBC, CBS, and CNN, then why did the business people behind FOX see a market for their product? And why has their product not only suceeded, but leads all major news networks in ratings?

Apparently the average TV viewer does not agree with you. But, like I said earlier, we all see things in a way that conveinantly comports with our views of the subject.

Do you think that it's that the average viewer of Fox News prefers to watch news that is more likely to agree and reinforce what they believe, rather than challenge?

Are you saying the people who created Fox News (the channel as a whole) created it because they could not find any unbiased news or because they couldn't find a news biased towards conservatives?

February 8, 2010

Apparently you didn't understand that it was a yes or no question, but I'll assume from your quotes that your answer is yes. All that to get to this:

If there is no bias on ABC, NBC, CBS, and CNN, then why did the business people behind FOX see a market for their product? And why has their product not only suceeded, but leads all major news networks in ratings?

Apparently the average TV viewer does not agree with you. But, like I said earlier, we all see things in a way that conveinantly comports with our views of the subject.

The way I read it, the major station *news* shows still lead in ratings over Fox. Fox beats out MSNBC, CNN, BBC, etc. It isn't accurate to say they lead 'major news networks', only cable news networks. Then again, Fox hasn't been too focused on accuracy -- mainly ratings.

UNT90 · February 8, 2010

Do you think that it's that the average viewer of Fox News prefers to watch news that is more likely to agree and reinforce what they believe, rather than challenge?

Yes, I do.

Just like the people who watch NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN want to watch news that agrees with there point of view, rather than challenge.

Of course FOX slants right. Of course NBC, CBS, CNN, ABC slant left. If they didn't, FOX wouldn't have an audience.