Turner Gill To K U

[NT03]

yahoo Edited December 12, 2009 by NT03

[NT80]

Hard to see KU fans happy with this pick of a coach who is 30-40 and 3 out of 4 losing seasons at Buffalo.

[NT03]

I'd be happy with Turner, the man can recruit & coach . Most TX high schools have better facilities than Buffalo. How hard would it be to recruit a kid to Buffalo ?

Before Gill

2002 : 1- 11

2003 : 1 - 11

2004 : 2 - 9

2005 : 1 - 10

Gill hired

2006 : 2 - 10

2007 : 5 - 7

2008 : 8 - 6 MAC Champs

2009 : 5 - 7

[MDH]

I'm just not completely sold that he's had enough experience. I don't know much about the Mangino controversy, but I'd say he had a bigger turnaround for their program against much tougher opponents.

Edited December 13, 2009 by mdh0192

[KRAM1]

I think this may turn out to be a surprisingly good pick by Kansas. Time will certainly tell.

[NT03]

I'm just not completely sold that he's had enough experience. I don't know much about the Mangino controversy, but I'd say he had a bigger turnaround for their program against much tougher opponents.

He's been a collge coach for 20 years

[DeepGreen]

He's been a collge coach for 20 years

Agree. I think Gill gets buried in the Big 12.

[FirefightnRick]

I'd be happy with Turner, the man can recruit & coach .

And he's from Fort Worth.

Rick

[Cerebus]

I am on the record being a Gill fan. I think he does well.

[Quoner]

Hard to see KU fans happy with this pick of a coach who is 30-40 and 3 out of 4 losing seasons at Buffalo.

http://www.fireturnergill.com/

[Cerebus]

http://www.fireturnergill.com/

I think we disprove that theory.

[greenminer]

I am on the record being a Gill fan. I think he does well.

ditto.

[AJR2010OX]

With the resources he had at Buffalo it was impressive for him to even get five wins. I havent seen five wins here since I started as a student.

[forevereagle]

http://www.fireturnergill.com/

They really seem to want Harbaugh. Not sure what makes them think that is likely to happen. He has turned that job into a good (ok, decent) one, why would he take a lateral step at best? Besides, he just turned down the opportunity to interview for ND, so Kansas is not a better option.

[Green Dozer]

Well, John Blake was a great recruiter to, and great soldiers do not always make good generals! I at one time thought Gill could do better than Kansas (it is a bb school that gets lucky in football every blue moon), but I am not as much a believer in him as I once was.

[BaylorGuy314]

Haven't been on the boards for a while, but was searching through about the Gill stuff and found this thread.

I was skeptical of the hire at first too. I had convinced myself that Gill and Buffalo had simply had a flash in the pan last year with their 8-5 regular season due to having a decent senior QB. But I think I am more impressed by this year, which is why I'm beginning to convince myself that this was a decent pick for KU.

Eight of Buffalo's 12 games this season were decided by a TD or less and four games were decided by 3 pts or less. Of those eight "tossup" games, they won only 3 of them, meaning they left five "winnable" games on the table. In other words, this team played themselves into a position to win as many as 10 games. Sure, they only won 5, and we can play the "woulda shoulda coulda" game all day, but for a program that, as mentioned above, has facilities worse than many Texas high schools, is in a very cold climate, has not one bit of history, I'm pretty amazed by their competitiveness.

The question in my mind then shifts to not whether or not is a decent coach, but whether he can outcoach some of the other B12 coaches and succeed in the longrun. And that's where I am not so confident.

While Kansas is a big upgrade from Buffalo, Gill will find himself once again at a disadvantage in terms of facilities compared to most of his conference running mates. Not only that, but KU loses a ton of starters from this years squad, including some pretty significant playmakers. And while KU has seen recent success under Mangino, much of that has come at a time when KSU, ISU, and Colorado have been downtrodden. Both Kansas State and Iowa State improved leaps and bounds this year and Nebraska looks to be setting themselves up nicely for the future as well.

That's a big hurdle for Gill and he'll need to outscheme and outevaluate for the diamonds in the rough to succeed at Kansas like Mangino did.

[greenminer]

I understand Gill had 8+ Texas boys playing on that Buffalo squad.

KU should be excited about the possibilities and support the man. He could do very well.

[Green Dozer]

I understand Gill had 8+ Texas boys playing on that Buffalo squad.

The NCAA may need to look into this....they are either desperate or well paid. Or maybe it was the wings.

[NT80]

Eight of Buffalo's 12 games this season were decided by a TD or less and four games were decided by 3 pts or less. Of those eight "tossup" games, they won only 3 of them, meaning they left five "winnable" games on the table. In other words, this team played themselves into a position to win as many as 10 games. Sure, they only won 5, and we can play the "woulda shoulda coulda" game all day, but for a program that, as mentioned above, has facilities worse than many Texas high schools

Hummm....where have I heard this before??

[Pen Yan Fan]

Hummm....where have I heard this before??

Gill has hired Chuck Long as his offensive coordinator and Carl Torbush as his defensive coordinator. Very good staff it seems.

[Green Dozer]

Gill has hired Chuck Long as his offensive coordinator and Carl Torbush as his defensive coordinator. Very good staff it seems.

OU fans were glad to see Chuck Long go at OU. Now Carl Torbush, he is a good hire.

[Mean Green 93-98]

http://www.fireturnergill.com/

How moronic. He's been hired, at least see what happens.

[Eagle1855]

Well he certainly started off well. Caught the press conference... cause for optimism for Jayhawks.

I find it wildly humorous KU fans think Kansas is a better job than Stanford.

[UNT90]

Hummm....where have I heard this before??

exactly what I was thinking. But, at least GIll has one skin on the Wall.

It will be interesting to see if Kansas and UNT fans can unite behind the "what could have been" feelings over Jim Harbaugh.

I actually think Gill will do quite well for their program. Plus, everone on KU's payroll and benefit package can thank this hire and Mangino's firing for lowering their health care premiums by about $10 a month.

[Quoner]

OU fans were glad to see Chuck Long go at OU. Now Carl Torbush, he is a good hire.

He worked wonders at A&M.

Wait, what's the opposite of that?